Potential to loose £10k from the sale of my car! HELP! SCAM
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OP, remember:
Who Dares Wins.
He who trusts that after their car was sold without any contact for weeks that a kosher, non-rubber cheque will be with you tomorrow morning is a fool.
Are you trusting that someone that runs a car dealership for some reason doesn't have internet banking so could transfer funds, immediately, today?
Tomorrow you'll be told that it was sent First Class, '...it should be there, bloody Royal Mail!' It won't arrive Saturday. You'll call him Monday, he'll say wait to see if it arrives tomorrow.
Tuesday he won't answer the phone.
Wednesday you'll be busy.
The week after you'll find that the old business is being wound up, with debts. And he's phoenixing with the new name.
Who Dares Wins.
He who trusts that after their car was sold without any contact for weeks that a kosher, non-rubber cheque will be with you tomorrow morning is a fool.
Are you trusting that someone that runs a car dealership for some reason doesn't have internet banking so could transfer funds, immediately, today?
Tomorrow you'll be told that it was sent First Class, '...it should be there, bloody Royal Mail!' It won't arrive Saturday. You'll call him Monday, he'll say wait to see if it arrives tomorrow.
Tuesday he won't answer the phone.
Wednesday you'll be busy.
The week after you'll find that the old business is being wound up, with debts. And he's phoenixing with the new name.
Edited by JustinP1 on Thursday 29th January 09:45
JustinP1 said:
Are you trusting that someone that runs a car dealership for some reason doesn't have internet banking so could transfer funds, immediately, today?
Absolutely! You'd be wary of accepting a cheque from an individual for this sum, so why should you accept it from a dealer who has already acted wrongly?
I can see why you are insisting I chase this up and go and see him immediately but only as of Tuesday did I find out I was being used to help his cash flow and the details of how this little scam of his was going to play out. I've confronted him on it and he knows he's been rumbled. He's been doing exactly the same scam since at least 2011 and for a LOT more money than I'm in for. He's just emailed me: "Cheque posted recorded delivery to address given per last email". If it doesn't arrive tomorrow morning for the full amount I'm tooled up for the next step. I'll keep you posted.
alwoodman said:
I can see why you are insisting I chase this up and go and see him immediately but only as of Tuesday did I find out I was being used to help his cash flow and the details of how this little scam of his was going to play out. I've confronted him on it and he knows he's been rumbled. He's been doing exactly the same scam since at least 2011 and for a LOT more money than I'm in for. He's just emailed me: "Cheque posted recorded delivery to address given per last email". If it doesn't arrive tomorrow morning for the full amount I'm tooled up for the next step. I'll keep you posted.
I would just point out you're well aware he's been playing this game since 2011 so he can cut the games out. Like someone else above posted he's robbing peter to pay paul. People who shout the loudest are going to get paid, until the wheels fall off and there isn't money to pay and he goes under. You can't help anyone else but you can help yourself by forcing the issue and making sure you're one of the few who get what they're owed.Slidingpillar said:
JustinP1 said:
Are you trusting that someone that runs a car dealership for some reason doesn't have internet banking so could transfer funds, immediately, today?
Absolutely! You'd be wary of accepting a cheque from an individual for this sum, so why should you accept it from a dealer who has already acted wrongly?alwoodman said:
If he sends me a "personal" (and not a business) cheque and it bounces/gets cancelled, that means legally in the eyes of the law if a cheque is given and cancelled you will get a letter of dishonour from the bank to say why it wasn't honoured. This means I could chase him personally.
Do you seriously think someone who's been scamming for this long is going to do something that makes himself personally liable? There is no way he's going to issue you a personal cheque. Like people keep telling you, you need to just cause maximum fuss and hassle to make sure you're at the front of the queue to get paid. £10k is enough to park up outside his garage and tell every incoming customer he's refusing to pay you.alwoodman said:
I think i may have found something which i could latch onto in the fact that he incorporated himself under a new name at the end of September 2014, i had done the deal with him in late August 2014 but the car didn't get sold, according to the DVLA, until November 2014. My thought on this is that therefore the company that actually ended up selling the car was not authorised to do so as my contract was with the old incorporated company name?
What do you think?
Lets say you sold it to XYZ ltd in August, who continued as a trading company until a point in the future, lets say mid December. However since September XYZ 2 Ltd has been registered and is now the company trading from the location, for the most part. XYZ Ltd is just ticking along in the background mounting up debts and liabilities, whilst all the assets and trading is done through XYZ 2 Ltd...
alwoodman said:
If he sends me a "personal" (and not a business) cheque and it bounces/gets cancelled, that means legally in the eyes of the law if a cheque is given and cancelled you will get a letter of dishonour from the bank to say why it wasn't honoured. This means I could chase him personally.
That is true. You would also be able to obtain summary judgment on the value of the cheque.KFC said:
alwoodman said:
I can see why you are insisting I chase this up and go and see him immediately but only as of Tuesday did I find out I was being used to help his cash flow and the details of how this little scam of his was going to play out. I've confronted him on it and he knows he's been rumbled. He's been doing exactly the same scam since at least 2011 and for a LOT more money than I'm in for. He's just emailed me: "Cheque posted recorded delivery to address given per last email". If it doesn't arrive tomorrow morning for the full amount I'm tooled up for the next step. I'll keep you posted.
I would just point out you're well aware he's been playing this game since 2011 so he can cut the games out. Like someone else above posted he's robbing peter to pay paul. People who shout the loudest are going to get paid, until the wheels fall off and there isn't money to pay and he goes under. You can't help anyone else but you can help yourself by forcing the issue and making sure you're one of the few who get what they're owed.nikaiyo2 said:
alwoodman said:
I think i may have found something which i could latch onto in the fact that he incorporated himself under a new name at the end of September 2014, i had done the deal with him in late August 2014 but the car didn't get sold, according to the DVLA, until November 2014. My thought on this is that therefore the company that actually ended up selling the car was not authorised to do so as my contract was with the old incorporated company name?
What do you think?
Lets say you sold it to XYZ ltd in August, who continued as a trading company until a point in the future, lets say mid December. However since September XYZ 2 Ltd has been registered and is now the company trading from the location, for the most part. XYZ Ltd is just ticking along in the background mounting up debts and liabilities, whilst all the assets and trading is done through XYZ 2 Ltd...
Edited by alwoodman on Thursday 29th January 10:28
alwoodman said:
I can see why you are insisting I chase this up and go and see him immediately but only as of Tuesday did I find out I was being used to help his cash flow and the details of how this little scam of his was going to play out. I've confronted him on it and he knows he's been rumbled. He's been doing exactly the same scam since at least 2011 and for a LOT more money than I'm in for. He's just emailed me: "Cheque posted recorded delivery to address given per last email". If it doesn't arrive tomorrow morning for the full amount I'm tooled up for the next step. I'll keep you posted.
You've a scummy dealer whose been rumbled.The guy's caught you out. You're making amends. It's important the guy gets a £20k cheque tomorrow.
Do you:
1) Send the cheque Recorded Delivery, not tracked, or guaranteed for £1.20.
2) Send the cheque Special Delivery, tracked, insured, and guaranteed to be with them by 1pm for £6?
I'd get tooled up.
KFC said:
alwoodman said:
If he sends me a "personal" (and not a business) cheque and it bounces/gets cancelled, that means legally in the eyes of the law if a cheque is given and cancelled you will get a letter of dishonour from the bank to say why it wasn't honoured. This means I could chase him personally.
Do you seriously think someone who's been scamming for this long is going to do something that makes himself personally liable? There is no way he's going to issue you a personal cheque. Like people keep telling you, you need to just cause maximum fuss and hassle to make sure you're at the front of the queue to get paid. £10k is enough to park up outside his garage and tell every incoming customer he's refusing to pay you.hora said:
KFC said:
Do you seriously think someone who's been scamming for this long is going to do something that makes himself personally liable? There is no way he's going to issue you a personal cheque. Like people keep telling you, you need to just cause maximum fuss and hassle to make sure you're at the front of the queue to get paid. £10k is enough to park up outside his garage and tell every incoming customer he's refusing to pay you.
Surely he'll just call the Police and report you for breach of the peace or say you've been threatening him (your word v his). If hes seasoned at this.. well. He'll only feel pain when theres more leverage/or threat of. i.e you'll report the car as stolen- the buyer will come after him legally and on balance its better to make the lesser problem go away. You.
Feel very sorry for the op, been following this thread with interest.
This is exactly what happened to me, when I left my six month old Triumph motorbike with a long established Triumph main dealer, they sold it the very next day and never told me.
I eventually got my 5k back six weeks later, after a lot of stress and threats....
The dealer went bust six months later.
To anyone reading this thread who has an expensive car or bike on SOR with a dealer, I would be getting it back pronto.
Let's hope this ends happily....
This is exactly what happened to me, when I left my six month old Triumph motorbike with a long established Triumph main dealer, they sold it the very next day and never told me.
I eventually got my 5k back six weeks later, after a lot of stress and threats....
The dealer went bust six months later.
To anyone reading this thread who has an expensive car or bike on SOR with a dealer, I would be getting it back pronto.
Let's hope this ends happily....
Wacky Racer said:
Feel very sorry for the op, been following this thread with interest.
This is exactly what happened to me, when I left my six month old Triumph motorbike with a long established Triumph main dealer, they sold it the very next day and never told me.
I eventually got my 5k back six weeks later, after a lot of stress and threats....
The dealer went bust six months later.
To anyone reading this thread who has an expensive car or bike on SOR with a dealer, I would be getting it back pronto.
Let's hope this ends happily....
I agree GO AND GET IT BACK NOW! I didn't realise how completely exposed I'd left myself on this.This is exactly what happened to me, when I left my six month old Triumph motorbike with a long established Triumph main dealer, they sold it the very next day and never told me.
I eventually got my 5k back six weeks later, after a lot of stress and threats....
The dealer went bust six months later.
To anyone reading this thread who has an expensive car or bike on SOR with a dealer, I would be getting it back pronto.
Let's hope this ends happily....
s off people in this way 
the mind baffles. people said:
...the cheque...
The words "cheque" and "royal mail" should set off every flange detector going. It's all just delaying crap. Internet banking transfer: Yes. BACS transfer by phoning his bank: Yes. Cheques: Just say no.
Until *your* bank says the money is transferred into *your* account, it's all BS. Good luck - hope you get it sorted!
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