Potential to loose £10k from the sale of my car! HELP! SCAM
Discussion
jeremyc said:
nyone considering SOR should read this excellent advice.
Yes I've read that before, they do sell some cars on SOR I spoke to Tom once about selling my 911 with them some years ago but decided not to in the end, but unlike others they detail that in the advert as it enables transfer of an extended Porsche warranty and it's the exception rather than the rule. Always looking on 911Virgin they get some great cars.
AndyWiltshire said:
If I made it clear to the Police that I was going to return it once I had finished, and there was no evidence to the contrary, I would not commit any offence under the Theft Act because I had no intention to permanently deprive you of it.
Any Police Officer will be fully aware of this.
Possibly. But it may well see you being arrested, interviewed and processed before this was established. Simply telling the police you weren't going to permanently deprive the other of it wont necessarily get you out of trouble. Any Police Officer will be fully aware of this.
You can be arrested for TWOC'ing your wife's/husbands vehicle without ever having the intention to permanently deprive.
alwoodman said:
I forgot to mention...the cheque is not in the newly formed (in the last 4 months) business name or the dissolved company name, it is the dealers initials followed bv trading as like this:
xx trading as blablabla
Is that a sole trader format?
Well it's a personal cheque so he is acknowledging the debt and if it bounces you can sue him personally. xx trading as blablabla
Is that a sole trader format?
AndyWiltshire said:
Another example; If I went into your unlocked garden shed and took your electric lawn mower and then cut my lawn. Just as I was finishing you realised what was happening and called the Police. If I made it clear to the Police that I was going to return it once I had finished, and there was no evidence to the contrary, I would not commit any offence under the Theft Act because I had no intention to permanently deprive you of it.
Any Police Officer will be fully aware of this.
I am not a police officer and I must confess my criminal law training finished in 2007, however treating something as if you own it may constitute permanently depriving - just to prevent exactly what you say being "lawful".Any Police Officer will be fully aware of this.
Exceptions are mistake i.e. you go to a party and leave taking the jacket you believed was yours but was in fact someone elses.
Jasandjules said:
I am not a police officer and I must confess my criminal law training finished in 2007, however treating something as if you own it may constitute permanently depriving - just to prevent exactly what you say being "lawful".
Exceptions are mistake i.e. you go to a party and leave taking the jacket you believed was yours but was in fact someone elses.
Treating something as if you own it is better covered by the "appropriate" part of the offence wording. Exceptions are mistake i.e. you go to a party and leave taking the jacket you believed was yours but was in fact someone elses.
Dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another, with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.
Regardless, an interview will often be needed to establish one or more of those aspects, so his advice perhaps isn't the best!
I so hope that cheque clears for the OP.
I nearly agreed to sell my 335d touring on SOR in August luckily I managed to sell it quickly privately. Thanks for sharing though as I otherwise would have how not known how open you are with SOR. In short it is just weather the dealer wants to give you the cash. Now knowing this I for one would not do SOR without a solicitor looking over everything first, then the cost of that would negate any benefits.
I nearly agreed to sell my 335d touring on SOR in August luckily I managed to sell it quickly privately. Thanks for sharing though as I otherwise would have how not known how open you are with SOR. In short it is just weather the dealer wants to give you the cash. Now knowing this I for one would not do SOR without a solicitor looking over everything first, then the cost of that would negate any benefits.
Edited by AKA PABS on Friday 30th January 14:42
Fingers crossed for the OP.
Another nail in the coffin of the reputation of car dealers. Are ANY reputable? All seem to have some form of crookedness about them. From little white lies about test drives or history or having to agree a price with the sales manager, to the whole overpriced/secretive "POA" crap that goes on, to the absolute cowboys like the one in the OP. A shame, because when you have a sizable chunk to chuck at a car (I'm thinking, a year's salary or that sort of amount), the last thing you want to do is have nagging doubts about the wideboy/schmoozer that's determined to lift that money from your pocket.
Another nail in the coffin of the reputation of car dealers. Are ANY reputable? All seem to have some form of crookedness about them. From little white lies about test drives or history or having to agree a price with the sales manager, to the whole overpriced/secretive "POA" crap that goes on, to the absolute cowboys like the one in the OP. A shame, because when you have a sizable chunk to chuck at a car (I'm thinking, a year's salary or that sort of amount), the last thing you want to do is have nagging doubts about the wideboy/schmoozer that's determined to lift that money from your pocket.
OpulentBob said:
Another nail in the coffin of the reputation of car dealers. Are ANY reputable? All seem to have some form of crookedness about them. From little white lies about test drives or history or having to agree a price with the sales manager, to the whole overpriced/secretive "POA" crap that goes on, to the absolute cowboys like the one in the OP. A shame, because when you have a sizable chunk to chuck at a car (I'm thinking, a year's salary or that sort of amount), the last thing you want to do is have nagging doubts about the wideboy/schmoozer that's determined to lift that money from your pocket.
Not sure SoR in the general market has ever had a great reputation.
photosnob said:
No.
Legally you are probably stuffed. In your position id break the law. Read into that what you want. If you don't know any horrible nasty people then go to the roughest nastiest gym in your area and ask the owner for an introduction to some lads who want to earn a bit of money for some debt collecting work. Even if you don't get your money back he won't be enjoying it from a hospital bed. But that's me. Id rather sleep on the streets than rip of an honest hard working person!
How very naive. And how much would you propose paying each knuckle dragger willing to dump themselves into a ABH/GBH charge? Do you really honestly believe doing someone over and putting them in hospital would result in no harm occurring to yourself? It would either end up with a conspiracy charge or being hospitalised yourself having a bat removed which was inserted (un lubed) sideways or being targeted at a later date most likely at your home address with your family being dragged into it as well.Legally you are probably stuffed. In your position id break the law. Read into that what you want. If you don't know any horrible nasty people then go to the roughest nastiest gym in your area and ask the owner for an introduction to some lads who want to earn a bit of money for some debt collecting work. Even if you don't get your money back he won't be enjoying it from a hospital bed. But that's me. Id rather sleep on the streets than rip of an honest hard working person!
Bellend..
22Rgt said:
How very naive. And how much would you propose paying each knuckle dragger willing to dump themselves into a ABH/GBH charge? Do you really honestly believe doing someone over and putting them in hospital would result in no harm occurring to yourself? It would either end up with a conspiracy charge or being hospitalised yourself having a bat removed which was inserted (un lubed) sideways or being targeted at a later date most likely at your home address with your family being dragged into it as well.
Bellend..
That's assuming he reported it to "the knobs" and they then did their "knobs job" and dealt with him accordingly. Bellend..
silentbrown said:
The bad news is that if your cheque does clear, it's probably the money from the sale of some other guy's car, who will be on here posting in a month or two...
Unless he's won the lottery, of course.
Exactly, I suggest this will be only a matter only time till it all comes crashing down Unless he's won the lottery, of course.
Apart from being like 'handing over a briefcase of cash' my experience is that it needs x y and z doing by them at their rates before they can put it on sale.
They even tried to hit me with a £100 bill for the 'opportunity' to be fleasend in the form of an 'Inspection fee'!
'Legends' they certainly weren't and also not from a major German city.
They even tried to hit me with a £100 bill for the 'opportunity' to be fleasend in the form of an 'Inspection fee'!
'Legends' they certainly weren't and also not from a major German city.
sday12 said:
'Legends' they certainly weren't and also not from a major German city.
My 'M' car used to get serviced there many,many moons ago. No idea if it's the same folk, but the service manager (Alex?) was a star. Following a cockup due to lack of courtesy car, I ended up borrowing his own E30 M3 for a few days!silentbrown said:
sday12 said:
'Legends' they certainly weren't and also not from a major German city.
My 'M' car used to get serviced there many,many moons ago. No idea if it's the same folk, but the service manager (Alex?) was a star. Following a cockup due to lack of courtesy car, I ended up borrowing his own E30 M3 for a few days!OpulentBob said:
Fingers crossed for the OP.
Another nail in the coffin of the reputation of car dealers. Are ANY reputable? All seem to have some form of crookedness about them. From little white lies about test drives or history or having to agree a price with the sales manager, to the whole overpriced/secretive "POA" crap that goes on, to the absolute cowboys like the one in the OP. A shame, because when you have a sizable chunk to chuck at a car (I'm thinking, a year's salary or that sort of amount), the last thing you want to do is have nagging doubts about the wideboy/schmoozer that's determined to lift that money from your pocket.
Most are reputable, you just don't get threads about them on the internet.Another nail in the coffin of the reputation of car dealers. Are ANY reputable? All seem to have some form of crookedness about them. From little white lies about test drives or history or having to agree a price with the sales manager, to the whole overpriced/secretive "POA" crap that goes on, to the absolute cowboys like the one in the OP. A shame, because when you have a sizable chunk to chuck at a car (I'm thinking, a year's salary or that sort of amount), the last thing you want to do is have nagging doubts about the wideboy/schmoozer that's determined to lift that money from your pocket.
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