Having fun with traffic wardens and clampers
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Here is a great way to fight back against the pirates
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/template/images/pa...
The idea is that you fix this notice to your windscreen. In law this creates a contact offer. Anyone attaching anything to your car after this accepts the terms of the contract. You then can legally invoice the council or the clamping company for the 5,000.
Of course you may need to take this to the small claims court but you should win if you know anything about contract law.
here are more details and also a link to download the image and print one off:
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/Parking-Notice
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/template/images/pa...
The idea is that you fix this notice to your windscreen. In law this creates a contact offer. Anyone attaching anything to your car after this accepts the terms of the contract. You then can legally invoice the council or the clamping company for the 5,000.
Of course you may need to take this to the small claims court but you should win if you know anything about contract law.
here are more details and also a link to download the image and print one off:
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/Parking-Notice
king wept.I took a brief look, then realised that the url was "getoutofdebtfree" and decided that It wasn't worth my time. If you think it will work, then I'd be very interested in seeing your results. I expect it won't go as planned though.
Also it kinda reminded me of this barrel of laughs...
Also it kinda reminded me of this barrel of laughs...
By replying below this post you will be inviting me to read your contribution. I offer to read your post at a cost (to you) of £5 per word. I promise to reply to your contribution at a cost of £25 per post, payable by you to me within 24 hours of me posting said reply. By replying below you accept the above terms and conditions. This contract is made under the law of Wibble.
Oh ye of little faith!
Little did you know that you all have the right to propose terms to any contract. Its as simple as that. This notice sets out your terms for doing business. IF they want to accept your terms then great, send them an invoice. All legal and above board.
Or of course you can just pay them whatever they demand. The choice is yours.
Little did you know that you all have the right to propose terms to any contract. Its as simple as that. This notice sets out your terms for doing business. IF they want to accept your terms then great, send them an invoice. All legal and above board.
Or of course you can just pay them whatever they demand. The choice is yours.
biggyB said:
Here is a great way to fight back against the pirates
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/template/images/pa...
The idea is that you fix this notice to your windscreen. In law this creates a contact offer. Anyone attaching anything to your car after this accepts the terms of the contract. You then can legally invoice the council or the clamping company for the 5,000.
Of course you may need to take this to the small claims court but you should win if you know anything about contract law.
here are more details and also a link to download the image and print one off:
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/Parking-Notice
In what way are traffic wardens and parking companies pirates? http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/template/images/pa...
The idea is that you fix this notice to your windscreen. In law this creates a contact offer. Anyone attaching anything to your car after this accepts the terms of the contract. You then can legally invoice the council or the clamping company for the 5,000.
Of course you may need to take this to the small claims court but you should win if you know anything about contract law.
here are more details and also a link to download the image and print one off:
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/Parking-Notice
biggyB said:
Oh ye of little faith!
Little did you know that you all have the right to propose terms to any contract. Its as simple as that. This notice sets out your terms for doing business. IF they want to accept your terms then great, send them an invoice. All legal and above board.
Or of course you can just pay them whatever they demand. The choice is yours.
Yes, yes, yes. Please send the £365 you owe me. Little did you know that you all have the right to propose terms to any contract. Its as simple as that. This notice sets out your terms for doing business. IF they want to accept your terms then great, send them an invoice. All legal and above board.
Or of course you can just pay them whatever they demand. The choice is yours.
allergictocheese said:
biggyB said:
Oh ye of little faith!
Little did you know that you all have the right to propose terms to any contract. Its as simple as that. This notice sets out your terms for doing business. IF they want to accept your terms then great, send them an invoice. All legal and above board.
Or of course you can just pay them whatever they demand. The choice is yours.
Yes, yes, yes. Please send the £365 you owe me. Little did you know that you all have the right to propose terms to any contract. Its as simple as that. This notice sets out your terms for doing business. IF they want to accept your terms then great, send them an invoice. All legal and above board.
Or of course you can just pay them whatever they demand. The choice is yours.
biggyB said:
Oh ye of little faith!
Little did you know that you all have the right to propose terms to any contract. Its as simple as that. This notice sets out your terms for doing business. IF they want to accept your terms then great, send them an invoice. All legal and above board.
Or of course you can just pay them whatever they demand. The choice is yours.
According to your profile you are a newbie to the motor trade and eager to learn. Little did you know that you all have the right to propose terms to any contract. Its as simple as that. This notice sets out your terms for doing business. IF they want to accept your terms then great, send them an invoice. All legal and above board.
Or of course you can just pay them whatever they demand. The choice is yours.
When it comes to contract law, your eagerness is a genuine asset, for you have so very much to learn.
allergictocheese said:
Yes, yes, yes. Please send the £365 you owe me.
Hahaha nice try. But you cant just walk up to someone in the street and say something like " any more steps that you take you pay me 5 pounds per step" that's silly. You have no business with that person. But in contract law you are perfectly within your rights to set your own terms for anyone trying to do business with you in the first place. Which is what the wardens or clampers would be doing by attaching anything to your car.Therefore any further attemepts to impose your unilateral contract on me and collect this 365 pounds will be treated as unlawful harrasment and will incur a fee of 1,000 pounds.
Know your rights and the law and fight back. Or bend over and take it. The choice is yours, its a free country (just)
biggyB said:
Why the laugh? Did you read the info on the link? Lots of people having success with this. It stops a lot of attempts to clamp or ticket too. Proven effective.
Oh goody, it's been ages since we had any of this nonsense! OP, I am trying to break this to you gently, but everything that you have posted is utter claptrap. The law does not work by sorcery and magical incantations.
Try this as an antidote to the Loonyjuice that you have been imbibing.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land
longblackcoat said:
In what way are traffic wardens and parking companies pirates?
They all have quotas to fill which is immoral. Clearly they are a money making organisation first and foremost and use intimidation and threats to get your money. This is an effective way to stop them or stand up to them.
Breadvan72 said:
Oh goody, it's been ages since we had any of this nonsense!
OP, I am trying to break this to you gently, but everything that you have posted is utter claptrap. The law does not work by sorcery and magical incantations.
Try this as an antidote to the Loonyjuice that you have been imbibing.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land
No sorcery or magical incantations required. It just a simple example of the offer and acceptance model of contract law.OP, I am trying to break this to you gently, but everything that you have posted is utter claptrap. The law does not work by sorcery and magical incantations.
Try this as an antidote to the Loonyjuice that you have been imbibing.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land
Best laugh so far on that getoutofdebtfree site: copyright your name (via some complicated series of notices signed by everyone except you). Then when someone to whom you owe money writes to you asking for payment, you charge £X thousand every time they write your name.
Genius. If you have half the brains of the average four year old, that is.
Genius. If you have half the brains of the average four year old, that is.
biggyB said:
longblackcoat said:
In what way are traffic wardens and parking companies pirates?
They all have quotas to fill which is immoral. Clearly they are a money making organisation first and foremost and use intimidation and threats to get your money. This is an effective way to stop them or stand up to them.
Have fun in your own strange world.
You appear to have a bad case of the gullible, OP.
The law of contract doesn't operate anything like the way that you appear to think it does. There is no secret code that, if you gain access to it, will somehow defeat all attempts by public or private bodies to enforce rules or obligations against you. Making up bonkers documents or using a lot of meaningless jibber jabber doesn't achieve anything.
The nonsense that you appear to have fallen for has also popped up in the US and Canada. It is equally nonsensical wherever it appears.
In Meads v Meads (2012), Associate Chief Justice John D. Rooke of Alberta analysed various freemen claims, grouping them with other pseudolegal arguments as what he termed "Organised Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments" (OPCA).
This passage is a favourite: -
"The bluntly idiotic substance of Mr. Mead’s argument explains the unnecessarily complicated manner in which it was presented. OPCA arguments are never sold to their customers as simple ideas, but instead are byzantine schemes which more closely resemble the plot of a dark fantasy novel than anything else. Latin maxims and powerful sounding language are often used. Documents are often ornamented with many strange marking and seals. Litigants engage in peculiar, ritual‑like in court conduct. All these features appear necessary for gurus to market OPCA schemes to their often desperate, ill‑informed, mentally disturbed, or legally abusive customers. This is crucial to understand the non-substance of any OPCA concept or strategy. The story and process of a OPCA scheme is not intended to impress or convince the Courts, but rather to impress the guru’s customer."
The law of contract doesn't operate anything like the way that you appear to think it does. There is no secret code that, if you gain access to it, will somehow defeat all attempts by public or private bodies to enforce rules or obligations against you. Making up bonkers documents or using a lot of meaningless jibber jabber doesn't achieve anything.
The nonsense that you appear to have fallen for has also popped up in the US and Canada. It is equally nonsensical wherever it appears.
In Meads v Meads (2012), Associate Chief Justice John D. Rooke of Alberta analysed various freemen claims, grouping them with other pseudolegal arguments as what he termed "Organised Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments" (OPCA).
This passage is a favourite: -
"The bluntly idiotic substance of Mr. Mead’s argument explains the unnecessarily complicated manner in which it was presented. OPCA arguments are never sold to their customers as simple ideas, but instead are byzantine schemes which more closely resemble the plot of a dark fantasy novel than anything else. Latin maxims and powerful sounding language are often used. Documents are often ornamented with many strange marking and seals. Litigants engage in peculiar, ritual‑like in court conduct. All these features appear necessary for gurus to market OPCA schemes to their often desperate, ill‑informed, mentally disturbed, or legally abusive customers. This is crucial to understand the non-substance of any OPCA concept or strategy. The story and process of a OPCA scheme is not intended to impress or convince the Courts, but rather to impress the guru’s customer."
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