Nightmare situation - Please help
Discussion
Medic-one said:
This.
Unfortunately part of my job is dealing with people who can't handle their drinks and a good 70% of our call on a friday and saturday night are alcohol related and every single time it's "my drink must have been spiked".
Er no, it wasn't. You decided to drink too much, often on an empty stomach, and now you're drunk and feeling ill and wasting our time.
If people are that drunk they can't even stand up any more or to 'out of it' we have a duty of care and have to bring to them A&E (so they can take up a valuable bed of someone who actually needs it...) and all of these "my drink was spiked" people end up going home after sobering up, with a clear bloodtest showing no drugs in their system.
You tell any police/ambulance/a&e person your drink was spiked, all we hear is "i drank more then i can handle".
I'm not trying to be mean here, but in my 10+ years on the job experience, that is just the way it is i'm afraid.
I agree, I unfortunately be i somewhat similar situations on a regular basis and I have never come across anyone who has actually had their drink spiked. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it's very very rare. Unfortunately part of my job is dealing with people who can't handle their drinks and a good 70% of our call on a friday and saturday night are alcohol related and every single time it's "my drink must have been spiked".
Er no, it wasn't. You decided to drink too much, often on an empty stomach, and now you're drunk and feeling ill and wasting our time.
If people are that drunk they can't even stand up any more or to 'out of it' we have a duty of care and have to bring to them A&E (so they can take up a valuable bed of someone who actually needs it...) and all of these "my drink was spiked" people end up going home after sobering up, with a clear bloodtest showing no drugs in their system.
You tell any police/ambulance/a&e person your drink was spiked, all we hear is "i drank more then i can handle".
I'm not trying to be mean here, but in my 10+ years on the job experience, that is just the way it is i'm afraid.
OP time to buy a bicycle!
Edited by BugLebowski on Saturday 7th February 21:05
Mk3Spitfire said:
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I never had any who were unable or failed to provide...
Years ago I was stopped because I had a rear light out (I was driving an Alfa!) I couldn't provide a sample, as you put it.I never had any who were unable or failed to provide...
I had a very bad cough/cold so physically could not blow for long enough. The officer just asked me to try again and then said go home and I hope you feel better in the morning!
I guess he had smelt my breath and used his judgment - BTW I hadn't been drinking.
As the OP said, he wasn't look for sympathy.
Drink spiked? Maybe. Possibly. Surely the police would have a string of them in the area? Or at one bar?
But if you drive after 3 glasses of wine - and then buy a JD? And then drive? You are taking a hell of a risk.
My guess - tired, low blood sugar, dehydrated, then wine (maybe with a few unspotted top ups), then the last drink. On many days many drivers would have got away with it.
So spiked or not spiked, I think a lesson is being learned.
Drink spiked? Maybe. Possibly. Surely the police would have a string of them in the area? Or at one bar?
But if you drive after 3 glasses of wine - and then buy a JD? And then drive? You are taking a hell of a risk.
My guess - tired, low blood sugar, dehydrated, then wine (maybe with a few unspotted top ups), then the last drink. On many days many drivers would have got away with it.
So spiked or not spiked, I think a lesson is being learned.
B.J.W said:
3 small glasses of wine and one JD and coke would ordinarily = over the limit (irrespective of an alleged spiking)....?
I reckon it's about 7 units so knock it all back in one and I expect you'd be over the limit. But is that what the OP did? I haven't read the whole thread - did the OP say over what time period he drank it?SK425 said:
B.J.W said:
3 small glasses of wine and one JD and coke would ordinarily = over the limit (irrespective of an alleged spiking)....?
I reckon it's about 7 units so knock it all back in one and I expect you'd be over the limit. But is that what the OP did? I haven't read the whole thread - did the OP say over what time period he drank it?Mk3Spitfire said:
agtlaw said:
I realise this.
In my experience, the most common form of the offence is trying to give a breath specimen but failing to give TWO breath samples of sufficient duration in time and or capacity within the time allowed. The least common form of the offence (again in my own experience) is the guy who says to the police "I'm not giving you a specimen"
You've 'corrected' someone when you don't have sufficient information and are simply guessing at facts. The charge doesn't tell you how the offence was committed. Hopefully that's clearer now?
Thank you, you're a sweetheart.In my experience, the most common form of the offence is trying to give a breath specimen but failing to give TWO breath samples of sufficient duration in time and or capacity within the time allowed. The least common form of the offence (again in my own experience) is the guy who says to the police "I'm not giving you a specimen"
You've 'corrected' someone when you don't have sufficient information and are simply guessing at facts. The charge doesn't tell you how the offence was committed. Hopefully that's clearer now?
If you weren't such an obnoxious oaf (IMO, of course) i'm sure you'd be a very interesting chap to know.
Mopar440 said:
I normally agree with you, ol' Spitfire fella, but this time you're way out of order, and over-reacting when someone has pointed out an alternative opinion to you own. (Especially from someone who knows what they're talking about.)
I'm not speaking from this thread alone. And like I said, that's only my opinion. I'm not sure calling someone obnoxious is "well out of order", but that in turn, is your opinion. I don't doubt for a second that agt knows his stuff. Never have. Just disagree with how he "educates" people. Someone with that level of knowledge is a fantastic source of information, but the way he responds to people (not just me) is unnecessary, which is a shame.
Maybe I'm completely wrong, and he's a lovely guy. It's my opinion, nothing more. I'd also bet money that he couldn't care less what my opinion is.
I consumed 3 small glasses of wine at a wine tasting session and later a single JD and Coca Cola and it was the last drink that was spiked.
I drank three bottles of wine and half a bottle of JD. I was so battered after that the homing beacon activated and I left.
Unfortunately I do not recall the events that took place that night and I failed to provide a specimen of breath for analysis at the Police station.
I was a complete gobs
te when I got the nick that they threw me in the cells for fail to provide.
The following morning after waking up the Police explained to me what had happened and thereafter I headed to the hospital to get a blood sample however twelve hours was too late and it came back clean however one doctor noticed some abnormalities when looking at my pupils.
I was still pissed when I got to the hospital.
I tried to get the bar to release the CCTV footage however they could not due to DPA and when I called the police they explained that they would not investigate further because I was not physically harmed.
The Police don't like drink drivers.
So I have no evidence to prove what has happened and I have failed to provide. What do I do next? Advice and guidance is greatly appreciated.
Is there a technicality that I can get off this offence without having to be a man and own up?
I drank three bottles of wine and half a bottle of JD. I was so battered after that the homing beacon activated and I left.
Unfortunately I do not recall the events that took place that night and I failed to provide a specimen of breath for analysis at the Police station.
I was a complete gobs
te when I got the nick that they threw me in the cells for fail to provide.The following morning after waking up the Police explained to me what had happened and thereafter I headed to the hospital to get a blood sample however twelve hours was too late and it came back clean however one doctor noticed some abnormalities when looking at my pupils.
I was still pissed when I got to the hospital.
I tried to get the bar to release the CCTV footage however they could not due to DPA and when I called the police they explained that they would not investigate further because I was not physically harmed.
The Police don't like drink drivers.
So I have no evidence to prove what has happened and I have failed to provide. What do I do next? Advice and guidance is greatly appreciated.
Is there a technicality that I can get off this offence without having to be a man and own up?
don'tbesilly said:
SK425 said:
B.J.W said:
3 small glasses of wine and one JD and coke would ordinarily = over the limit (irrespective of an alleged spiking)....?
I reckon it's about 7 units so knock it all back in one and I expect you'd be over the limit. But is that what the OP did? I haven't read the whole thread - did the OP say over what time period he drank it?
Weird. Could have sworn there were feckin' loads of pages when I replied. Must've confused threads. I've read all of this one now
.If the post on the first page is to be believed (suggesting 5 units could be under the limit) then spread 7 units out over a bit of time and perhaps one could be under the limit. More pertinently though, three small glasses of wine and a shot doesn't sound like the amount of booze it takes to lose your memory of the rest of the night.
JustinP1 said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
agtlaw said:
Saturday night. He's probably gone for a drive to the pub.
As long as he stays off the JD's, hopefully he'll remember to come back tomorrow.
. Perhaps he's trying to straighten the chassis so the new bits obtained from the scrapyard today will line up, thus he is therefore unable to read his thread and reply...
Or perhaps he's been abducted by aliens who (having been satisfied by initial 'probing' the other night) are now laparoscopically removing some of his other organs before (again) depositing him in yet another compromising position with significant personal consequences - but with no recall of recent events, just hearsay which we'll hear about soon enough
.I don't know you at all, but I find that story very hard to believe.
Three glasses of wine and a JD and Coke would put you well over the limit already.
Why on your way home did you find your car? If you were out on the piss, why wasn't your car parked at home like the rest of us do? I've heard of people taking their car to the pub and leaving it at the pub, but can't say I hear too many people leaving it somewhere on the way home.
Seems strange that you had the sense to trace down your car and drive it, but didn't have the ability to give a sample.
I've lost count of the amount of people blame getting spiked for when they've just been drunk.
Three glasses of wine and a JD and Coke would put you well over the limit already.
Why on your way home did you find your car? If you were out on the piss, why wasn't your car parked at home like the rest of us do? I've heard of people taking their car to the pub and leaving it at the pub, but can't say I hear too many people leaving it somewhere on the way home.
Seems strange that you had the sense to trace down your car and drive it, but didn't have the ability to give a sample.
I've lost count of the amount of people blame getting spiked for when they've just been drunk.
djstevec said:
https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/cctv/
When can CCTV images be disclosed?
You have the right to see CCTV images of you and to ask for a copy of them. The organisation must provide them within 40 calendar days of your request, and you may be asked to pay a fee of up to £10 (this is the maximum charge, set by Parliament). This is called a Subject Access Request. You will need to provide details to help the operator to establish your identity as the person in the pictures, and to help them find the images on their system.
Many thanks for this. When can CCTV images be disclosed?
You have the right to see CCTV images of you and to ask for a copy of them. The organisation must provide them within 40 calendar days of your request, and you may be asked to pay a fee of up to £10 (this is the maximum charge, set by Parliament). This is called a Subject Access Request. You will need to provide details to help the operator to establish your identity as the person in the pictures, and to help them find the images on their system.
Well I do remember my friend who lived with me when his drink was spiked. He was a student so he only went out with 15 quid like he had all year. Police found him getting naked in the street. Brought him back to my house thinking he had drunk too much. He was wrecked, they should have taken him to hospital.
Anyway, he went to bed with my help. 30 mins later got up and my keys were still in the door - went out to my car and tried to drive off ,thinking his mother was hurt somewhere. He started the car but could not drive it as I had a krook lock that covered the handbrake and gear lever and he could not work it out. He had no drivers license and had never even wanted to drive.
Dragged him out of the car and back to his room. He took about two days before he was ok.
He never went to that club again. So although not very plausible the op might - just might be right.
Anyway, he went to bed with my help. 30 mins later got up and my keys were still in the door - went out to my car and tried to drive off ,thinking his mother was hurt somewhere. He started the car but could not drive it as I had a krook lock that covered the handbrake and gear lever and he could not work it out. He had no drivers license and had never even wanted to drive.
Dragged him out of the car and back to his room. He took about two days before he was ok.
He never went to that club again. So although not very plausible the op might - just might be right.
Truffs said:
Well I do remember my friend who lived with me when his drink was spiked. He was a student so he only went out with 15 quid like he had all year. Police found him getting naked in the street. Brought him back to my house thinking he had drunk too much. He was wrecked they should have taken him to hospital.
Anyway he went to bed with my help. 30 mins later got up and my keys were still in the door - went out to my car and tried to drive off thinking his mother was hurt somewhere. He started the car but could not drive it as I had a krook lock that covered the handbrake and gear lever and he could not work it out. He had no drivers license and had never even wanted to drive.
Dragged him out of the car and back to his room. He took about two days before he was ok.
He never went to that club again. So although not very plausible the op might - just might be right.
My incident took place at a university too unfortunately and I also had no intention of driving. Did he recall what had happened?Anyway he went to bed with my help. 30 mins later got up and my keys were still in the door - went out to my car and tried to drive off thinking his mother was hurt somewhere. He started the car but could not drive it as I had a krook lock that covered the handbrake and gear lever and he could not work it out. He had no drivers license and had never even wanted to drive.
Dragged him out of the car and back to his room. He took about two days before he was ok.
He never went to that club again. So although not very plausible the op might - just might be right.
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