Nightmare situation - Please help
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It might as well go through the insurance as they're gonna load you for a DD offence anyway.
It might as well go through the insurance as they're gonna load you for a DD offence anyway.
Providing there was nothing out of the ordinary, three small wines (125ml) and one JD (35ml) should be just under the limit.
Given that there will likely be some time over which these were consumed, the OP shouldn't have been so drunk that he didn't know what he was doing or can't remember anything.
Given that there will likely be some time over which these were consumed, the OP shouldn't have been so drunk that he didn't know what he was doing or can't remember anything.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Providing there was nothing out of the ordinary, three small wines (125ml) and one JD (35ml) should be just under the limit.
Given that there will likely be some time over which these were consumed, the OP shouldn't have been so drunk that he didn't know what he was doing or can't remember anything.
....possibly...however it would not be unusual at wine tastings for glasses to be topped up. 3 small (125ml) can very rapidly become 3 large (250ml) with you barely noticing. Now he's drunk a bottle of wine. On JD could easily have been a double. This changes the equation very quickly. I'd still argue he should be able to remember what he did, but it's easy(ish) to see how he could have drunk twice what he claims.Given that there will likely be some time over which these were consumed, the OP shouldn't have been so drunk that he didn't know what he was doing or can't remember anything.
In my experience people who have had an issue with drink ALWAYS understate what they drank. There is ALWAYS some other reason they got pissed (empty stomach, on medication, been exercising, not well, tired, etc., etc..).
GT03ROB said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Providing there was nothing out of the ordinary, three small wines (125ml) and one JD (35ml) should be just under the limit.
Given that there will likely be some time over which these were consumed, the OP shouldn't have been so drunk that he didn't know what he was doing or can't remember anything.
....possibly...however it would not be unusual at wine tastings for glasses to be topped up. 3 small (125ml) can very rapidly become 3 large (250ml) with you barely noticing. Now he's drunk a bottle of wine. On JD could easily have been a double. This changes the equation very quickly. I'd still argue he should be able to remember what he did, but it's easy(ish) to see how he could have drunk twice what he claims.Given that there will likely be some time over which these were consumed, the OP shouldn't have been so drunk that he didn't know what he was doing or can't remember anything.
In my experience people who have had an issue with drink ALWAYS understate what they drank. There is ALWAYS some other reason they got pissed (empty stomach, on medication, been exercising, not well, tired, etc., etc..).
Pretty much Everyone said:
The OP is a drunk driver, do not pass go, collect your bus pass!
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OP, if what you're saying is true
, you have my sympathy! If, however, you were just drunk
, be glad you didn't kill anyone and learn from it (while collecting your bus pass)!!!What drug do you think you were spiked with that would make you do the things that you said you did while not being able to remember you did them.....? Also, why do you think they would both take them to a wine tastsing evening then slip them into your drink?
Recreational drugs don't do what you described, not remembering the experience isn't really the point. People who take them don't slip them into other peoples drink for a laugh, they take them for a laugh. Again, that's the point.
The only recreational drug that can do what you are describing that you are likely to have consumed without noticing is alcohol I'm afraid.....
Recreational drugs don't do what you described, not remembering the experience isn't really the point. People who take them don't slip them into other peoples drink for a laugh, they take them for a laugh. Again, that's the point.
The only recreational drug that can do what you are describing that you are likely to have consumed without noticing is alcohol I'm afraid.....
Jonnas said:
What drug do you think you were spiked with that would make you do the things that you said you did while not being able to remember you did them.....? Also, why do you think they would both take them to a wine tasting evening then slip them into your drink?
Recreational drugs don't do what you described, not remembering the experience isn't really the point. People who take them don't slip them into other peoples drink for a laugh, they take them for a laugh. Again, that's the point.
The only recreational drug that can do what you are describing that you are likely to have consumed without noticing is alcohol I'm afraid.....
Never heard of Rohypnol?Recreational drugs don't do what you described, not remembering the experience isn't really the point. People who take them don't slip them into other peoples drink for a laugh, they take them for a laugh. Again, that's the point.
The only recreational drug that can do what you are describing that you are likely to have consumed without noticing is alcohol I'm afraid.....
I worked in a London nightclub for 6 years and have seen a few, but not many, instances where a drink is likely to have been spiked. And I have enough anecdotal evidence (oxymoron I understand) from other people I worked with back then, to think some people just do it for s
ts and giggles.Yes of course I have but I've never met anyone who has seen it let alone know where they can get it. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but do you really think someone goes to the trouble of sourcing some then think to take some to a wine tasting with a load if students for sts and giggles?
The only times I ever seen people get spiked it's by their friends to people who would have gladly chucked them down their neck had they been offered them anyway......
ts and giggles?The only times I ever seen people get spiked it's by their friends to people who would have gladly chucked them down their neck had they been offered them anyway......
Jonnas said:
Yes of course I have but I've never met anyone who has seen it let alone know where they can get it. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but do you really think someone goes to the trouble of sourcing some then think to take some to a wine tasting with a load if students for sts and giggles?
The only times I ever seen people get spiked it's by their friends to people who would have gladly chucked them down their neck had they been offered them anyway......
OP thinks the spiked drink was the JD, not the wine tasting. And yes, I do believe some people do some pretty fts and giggles?The only times I ever seen people get spiked it's by their friends to people who would have gladly chucked them down their neck had they been offered them anyway......
ked up things "for a laugh" to other people, so even though I find the OP's story unlikely, I have seen instances where it appears that people have had drinks spiked.Jonnas said:
Yes of course I have but I've never met anyone who has seen it let alone know where they can get it. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but do you really think someone goes to the trouble of sourcing some then think to take some to a wine tasting with a load if students for sts and giggles?
The only times I ever seen people get spiked it's by their friends to people who would have gladly chucked them down their neck had they been offered them anyway......
According to the OP the drink that was spiked was the last drink he had,the JD and coke.ts and giggles?The only times I ever seen people get spiked it's by their friends to people who would have gladly chucked them down their neck had they been offered them anyway......
How he can remember that but cock all else is quite remarkable.
The OP has now gone quiet and doesn't want to answer any queries that question his story, and only seems to respond to posters who are supportive/helpful to his plight.
The pending driving ban might jog his memory of what really happened.
I've seen people who have been 'spiked' and I'd be amazed if the OP would have been capable of walking to a car and getting the key out of their pocket let alone drive it. The people I have seen appear to have been switched off, completely KO'd.
I'm loving all this 'well its so many units so he wouldn't have been over the limit' rubbish that people are spouting. The fact is it depends from person to person.
The OP needs to get legal advice ASAP.
I'm loving all this 'well its so many units so he wouldn't have been over the limit' rubbish that people are spouting. The fact is it depends from person to person.
The OP needs to get legal advice ASAP.
Greendubber said:
I've seen people who have been 'spiked' and I'd be amazed if the OP would have been capable of walking to a car and getting the key out of their pocket let alone drive it. The people I have seen appear to have been switched off, completely KO'd.
I'm loving all this 'well its so many units so he wouldn't have been over the limit' rubbish that people are spouting. The fact is it depends from person to person.
The OP needs to get legal advice ASAP.
So you question people's judgement that he would likely be over the limit as rubbish. However you offer the opinion you'd be amazed if he was even capable of getting a key out of his pocket if spiked? I'm loving all this 'well its so many units so he wouldn't have been over the limit' rubbish that people are spouting. The fact is it depends from person to person.
The OP needs to get legal advice ASAP.
How have you any idea what his drink was spiked with and how it would affect him?
Seems odd to rubbish other people's opinions and for you to offer that.
Does he have a "resonable excuse" for failing to give two breath specimens? If not, and the section 7 procedure was carried out correctly (statutory warning, suspect understood the warning, etc) then a guilty plea should be tendered at the earliest opportunity. If he relies on spiked drinks as part of a "reasonable excuse" or procedural irregularity defence then what evidence does he have or could he get? If OP can adduce some evidence then there is a legal burden on the prosecution to disprove it. N.b. A fanciful theory about spiked drinks is not evidence.
Driver101 said:
So you question people's judgement that he would likely be over the limit as rubbish. However you offer the opinion you'd be amazed if he was even capable of getting a key out of his pocket if spiked?
How have you any idea what his drink was spiked with and how it would affect him?
Seems odd to rubbish other people's opinions and for you to offer that.
Unlike most on this thread I have dealt with people who have been spiked, each one of those people has been totally out of it. Its not an opinion its fact and personal experience. I didn't say I knew what he had been spiked with did I? I merely stated that had he been spiked I'd be amazed he would be able to get a key out of his pocket. It's really quite scary how spiked people present, imagine totally unconscious but with their eyes open, they cant walk, move or even speak. How have you any idea what his drink was spiked with and how it would affect him?
Seems odd to rubbish other people's opinions and for you to offer that.
I've also dealt with far too many drink drivers, I've carried out station intox procedures on people who have stated they have only had 2 pints and didn't appear to be drunk. Guess what they....failed and do you know why? because alcohol doesn't have the same effect on everyone. I've also seen people who have drank 5 pints and they have passed...
People can say 'its fine to drink 2 pints with dinner and drive because its only 3 units' when it really just isn't as straight forward as that. The OP could have been s
t faced off what he claims to have drank, he could also have been sober as a judge but without any more info its hard to say.Greendubber said:
Unlike most on this thread I have dealt with people who have been spiked, each one of those people has been totally out of it. Its not an opinion its fact and personal experience. I didn't say I knew what he had been spiked with did I? I merely stated that had he been spiked I'd be amazed he would be able to get a key out of his pocket. It's really quite scary how spiked people present, imagine totally unconscious but with their eyes open, they cant walk, move or even speak.
I've also dealt with far too many drink drivers, I've carried out station intox procedures on people who have stated they have only had 2 pints and didn't appear to be drunk. Guess what they....failed and do you know why? because alcohol doesn't have the same effect on everyone. I've also seen people who have drank 5 pints and they have passed...
People can say 'its fine to drink 2 pints with dinner and drive because its only 3 units' when it really just isn't as straight forward as that. The OP could have been st faced off what he claims to have drank, he could also have been sober as a judge but without any more info its hard to say.
Four of us were all spiked on a night in Glasgow a few years back. I wouldn't go as far as to say we were all out of it. I felt disorientated and shaky, but still knew what I was doing. The bouncers thought I was drunk and threw me out. I still managed to get a taxi home and could remember everything that happened. The three other guys all had very similar experiences. I've also dealt with far too many drink drivers, I've carried out station intox procedures on people who have stated they have only had 2 pints and didn't appear to be drunk. Guess what they....failed and do you know why? because alcohol doesn't have the same effect on everyone. I've also seen people who have drank 5 pints and they have passed...
People can say 'its fine to drink 2 pints with dinner and drive because its only 3 units' when it really just isn't as straight forward as that. The OP could have been s
t faced off what he claims to have drank, he could also have been sober as a judge but without any more info its hard to say.It all depends on what someone has put in their drink.
You didn't say he had been spiked, but you did say if he had been you'd be amazed by him being able to do basic things.
I know for a fact that isn't true. So your facts are wrong facts.
Two pints is more than your guess of three units. Even weak lager is 4.6 units and stronger lager over 6 units. What the OP has drank is probably around 7 or 8 units.
People will only pass after 5 pints if they were drunk over a lengthy period of time.
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