Hit in rear whilst performing a 3 point turn - liability

[herewego]

I'm impeded almost everyday by learners doing 3 point turns. I have to change my speed, i.e. slow down, to give them time to complete yet I consider this perfectly reasonable and somehow I have never been near to crashing into one.

[dacouch]

g3org3y said:

If you lived by that point of view you'd never get the chance to perform a 3 point turn in/around London tbh.

Practicalities of modern day driving include compromise especially in urban/built up environments.

I drive in Central London very frequently in a much larger vehicle than normal, I find no difficulty in turning in the other direction. I simply look for a safe and appropriate place as Von has explained to perform a turn in the road or more likely take a side road and either follow it back onto the road or perform a turn in the road in an appropriate place down the side road.

It would be highly unlikely I would perform a turn in the road in any vehicle I was driving on a main road in London, it impedes other traffic and there are too many variables to worry about such as idiot drivers who try and under/overtake you as your performing the turn or stop to close to allow you to make the final turn.

Far easier and safer too select a safe place to do the turn than just do it where ever you are whether in London or out in the sticks.

People forget driving in London is not a race

[FlyingFin]

I think the real reason for the thread is:


YOU were driving someone else vehicle, on third party only cover, so YOU would have to pay out for the damage YOU have caused to the vehicle if down to your negligence, and, are blatantly trying to shift the blame to the other driver in order his insurance to pay for the damage to the Q7?


Seems quite obvious really, but I wouldn't pass judgement purely on this assumption alone.


Why not post the full disclosure to the insurance company on here so we are in possession of the full facts of the incident as reported by yourself. Not just a few snippets which do seem to change here and there to suit the responses? You don't have to give dates names etc... Times would be useful to assess possible traffic conditions.


I am also concerned that you don't want to post pictures of the area where the incident occurred, nor the damage caused to your vehicle nor the other party. Why not? Will this help to substantiate the other drivers claims that you pulled out in front of him? Will this show other damage to the vehicle which clearly wasn't caused in this incident?

Showing the location of the incident won't incriminate you in any way and you can cover the registration number of the Q7 to protect the guilty, sorry, I mean the innocent...




Just to enlighten everyone else, just what was the other car involved? And what model, engine size, petrol or diesel etc?




I am starting to think that there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.... Did you reverse into something else earlier in the day causing damage to the Q7 before this little incident happened and am now trying to link the two?



Was there more of a delay than you were expecting from where you put your foot down on thee throttle to where the Q7 responded and pulled away? That is assuming the Q7 was an automatic and were you in the right gear? (not third for example?)




Maybe you think my questions and suggestions a little harsh but don't you think that this is exactly the sort of thing the insurance companies are considering?





I think its time to man up, pay up and be more careful in the future.





Oh and I think you will find that touching the kerb on a 3 point turn is a fail on the 'test'.

Best you don't mention that to the insurance company either, as it could assist to show you were not in full control of the vehicle... (If you had been, you shouldn't have touched the kerb.... All assists the insurers in making their mind up....)



FF.

[Jon1967x]

FlyingFin said:

I think the real reason for the thread is:


YOU were driving someone else vehicle, on third party only cover, so YOU would have to pay out for the damage YOU have caused to the vehicle if down to your negligence, and, are blatantly trying to shift the blame to the other driver in order his insurance to pay for the damage to the Q7?


Seems quite obvious really, but I wouldn't pass judgement purely on this assumption alone.


Why not post the full disclosure to the insurance company on here so we are in possession of the full facts of the incident as reported by yourself. Not just a few snippets which do seem to change here and there to suit the responses? You don't have to give dates names etc... Times would be useful to assess possible traffic conditions.


I am also concerned that you don't want to post pictures of the area where the incident occurred, nor the damage caused to your vehicle nor the other party. Why not? Will this help to substantiate the other drivers claims that you pulled out in front of him? Will this show other damage to the vehicle which clearly wasn't caused in this incident?

Showing the location of the incident won't incriminate you in any way and you can cover the registration number of the Q7 to protect the guilty, sorry, I mean the innocent...




Just to enlighten everyone else, just what was the other car involved? And what model, engine size, petrol or diesel etc?




I am starting to think that there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.... Did you reverse into something else earlier in the day causing damage to the Q7 before this little incident happened and am now trying to link the two?



Was there more of a delay than you were expecting from where you put your foot down on thee throttle to where the Q7 responded and pulled away? That is assuming the Q7 was an automatic and were you in the right gear? (not third for example?)




Maybe you think my questions and suggestions a little harsh but don't you think that this is exactly the sort of thing the insurance companies are considering?





I think its time to man up, pay up and be more careful in the future.





Oh and I think you will find that touching the kerb on a 3 point turn is a fail on the 'test'.

Best you don't mention that to the insurance company either, as it could assist to show you were not in full control of the vehicle... (If you had been, you shouldn't have touched the kerb.... All assists the insurers in making their mind up....)



FF.

For only the 15th post in nearly 2 years and on a thread that's been dead for nearly a month, that's some rant. Were you the other driver?

[FlyingFin]

No, I wasn't the other driver!



I use to deal with these ridiculous allegations of bad driving towards an innocent party all the time.






We use to have a saying on the department, "Don't profess your innocence by trying to prove the guilt of others!"





I think that comment applies to the OP in this case.





And TN39 will know that saying well... And if you are here, Hi Pete!!

[MYOB]

Update: insurance companies agreed a 50:50 split in liability. Happy with this and will learn from this!