71 in a 60 on A47 Swaffham

[8potdave]

Just had an NIP through for a speeding offence earlier this month. I was in the van (VW Transporter) clocked at 71mph. The road is an NSL dual carriageway (so 70mph for cars, bikes etc) but it's 60 for a van.

In all honesty from experience of driving 1000+ miles every week the police don't seem to mind this. I have overtaken / been overtaken by marked cars at this speed many a time. A camera wouldn't pick me up at 71 would it? I'm sure they're not clever enough to work out if it's a van or a large car. Do the average speed camera's pick this up or is there any other way of recording it?

I know people will say 'bang to rights' etc but I'm a bit pissed off. I had 3 points that expired on 19/02 and this incident occurred on the same day!

[fezst]

8potdave said:

Just had an NIP through for a speeding offence earlier this month. I was in the van (VW Transporter) clocked at 71mph. The road is an NSL dual carriageway (so 70mph for cars, bikes etc) but it's 60 for a van.

In all honesty from experience of driving 1000+ miles every week the police don't seem to mind this. I have overtaken / been overtaken by marked cars at this speed many a time. A camera wouldn't pick me up at 71 would it? I'm sure they're not clever enough to work out if it's a van or a large car. Do the average speed camera's pick this up or is there any other way of recording it?

I know people will say 'bang to rights' etc but I'm a bit pissed off. I had 3 points that expired on 19/02 and this incident occurred on the same day!

I dont understand what the question is. You've had a NIP through the post, so you have already been caught?

Please elaborate.

[btcc123]

I am not sure but would probably depend on what camera caught you.If it was a fixed camera on the side of the duel carrageway would it know the difference between a van and a car and flash you doing 71 mph,probably not.

If it was a camers van or with a speed gun they would know the speed limits that applies to that particular vehicle,car,van, car towing a trailer,lorry etc.

[DarylB90]

It probably flashes everyone doing over 60 and then checks the reg numbers. Any cars get let off, vans are prosecuted.

[QBee]

In the last 12 months I have noticed on single carriageway roads that bigger trucks (40 limit) have all started slowing back down to 40 mph for fixed speed cameras. The big supermarket trucks were already doing 39 on such roads, with a long trail of cars and vans strung out behind, but many of the smaller HGV operators habitually drive on the 56mph speed limiter on single carriageways.

So I am concluding that the flashing limits have been set lower to catch speeding HGVs, which is how you got caught.
Sorry, but I think you need to drive at or below the speed limit from now on. At 1000 miles a week you need that licence in good working order.

[SS2.]

8potdave said:

I'm sure they're not clever enough to work out if it's a van or a large car.

I'd be confident that even the dimmest of SCP drones would be able to decide whether they were targeting a car or a van.

The NIP often indicates the method of enforcement (ie manned) - does yours give any clues ?

[SS2.]

DarylB90 said:

It probably flashes everyone doing over 60 and then checks the reg numbers. Any cars get let off, vans are prosecuted.

That doesn't happen.

[mattyc69]

Bloke at work got done in a 60mph limit doing 58mph in our works van. Fixed camera in Norfolk so they are picking up the reg and working out the vehicle type etc.

[darren f]

I'm pretty sure the A47 Swaffham will be a mobile camera van- both ends of the bypass are known mobile sites (unless they've sneaked a fixed site in there recently?). So SCP operators would appear to have 'manual' selection on what limits apply to individual vehicle types. 11mph over is a notable though, maybe my assumption that 80 on d/c is usually safe is becoming a bit marginal.

[Mopar440]

fezst said:

8potdave said:

Just had an NIP through for a speeding offence earlier this month. I was in the van (VW Transporter) clocked at 71mph. The road is an NSL dual carriageway (so 70mph for cars, bikes etc) but it's 60 for a van.

In all honesty from experience of driving 1000+ miles every week the police don't seem to mind this. I have overtaken / been overtaken by marked cars at this speed many a time. A camera wouldn't pick me up at 71 would it? I'm sure they're not clever enough to work out if it's a van or a large car. Do the average speed camera's pick this up or is there any other way of recording it?

I know people will say 'bang to rights' etc but I'm a bit pissed off. I had 3 points that expired on 19/02 and this incident occurred on the same day!

I dont understand what the question is. You've had a NIP through the post, so you have already been caught?

Please elaborate.

Yes, OP, what is your question?

[angusfaldo]

mattyc69 said:

Bloke at work got done in a 60mph limit doing 58mph in our works van. Fixed camera in Norfolk so they are picking up the reg and working out the vehicle type etc.

I suspect he might have a good case for appeal against this.

[agtlaw]

8potdave said:

Just had an NIP through for a speeding offence earlier this month. I was in the van (VW Transporter) clocked at 71mph. The road is an NSL dual carriageway (so 70mph for cars, bikes etc) but it's 60 for a van.

In all honesty from experience of driving 1000+ miles every week the police don't seem to mind this. I have overtaken / been overtaken by marked cars at this speed many a time. A camera wouldn't pick me up at 71 would it? I'm sure they're not clever enough to work out if it's a van or a large car. Do the average speed cameras pick this up or is there any other way of recording it?

I know people will say 'bang to rights' etc but I'm a bit pissed off. I had 3 points that expired on 19/02 and this incident occurred on the same day!

Automatic unattended speed camera / average speed camera - no.
Attended speed meter - yes.
A "camera van" or mobile police unit is generally the latter.
Assuming you qualify then 71/60 is a speed awareness course, or otherwise a fixed penalty.

[8potdave]

I was merely trying to understand how I had been caught. I will leave my views on speed cameras at the door as obviously everyone on a car enthusiast forum never breaks the limit.

Im presuming what was said above is correct and they were catching everyone over 60 but only prosecuting the relevant ones.

[SS2.]

8potdave said:

Im presuming what was said above is correct and they were catching everyone over 60 but only prosecuting the relevant ones.

Unlikely.

I'd wager good money you were pinged by an operator in a camera van who could clearly tell the difference between a car and your van.

[agtlaw]

8potdave said:

I was merely trying to understand how I had been caught. I will leave my views on speed cameras at the door as obviously everyone on a car enthusiast forum never breaks the limit.

Im presuming what was said above is correct and they were catching everyone over 60 but only prosecuting the relevant ones.

No. As mentioned, attended speed meter much more likely.

[TooMany2cvs]

angusfaldo said:

mattyc69 said:

Bloke at work got done in a 60mph limit doing 58mph in our works van. Fixed camera in Norfolk so they are picking up the reg and working out the vehicle type etc.

I suspect he might have a good case for appeal against this.

Really? On what grounds?

[mattyc69]

TooMany2cvs said:

Really? On what grounds?

It's a big transit and he was supposed to be doing 50 on a single carriageway road.

He seems to think it was a fixed
camera that got him too.

[TooMany2cvs]

mattyc69 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Really? On what grounds?

It's a big transit and he was supposed to be doing 50 on a single carriageway road

Exactly. So what grounds for appeal...?

[mattyc69]

TooMany2cvs said:

Exactly. So what grounds for appeal...?

Sorry I have misread the thread! I thought you were asking why he had got a ticket. He clearly has no grounds for appeal he was speeding! Just ignore me in future!

[MrTrilby]

agtlaw said:

No. As mentioned, attended speed meter much more likely.

I drove that road yesterday. There is no fixed camera. It will have been a camera van, that sits there quite often.