Landlord problems.
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Saw on another thread you have got someone to help you move... Don't get pushed around by this jumped up little idiot if he does turn up and gets smart. Either do the smart thing and call the police, or have your friends around to show him you arnt going to be intimidated if you have any friends "like that".
Picking on a family with a kid with special needs is awful. He needs his head kicking in.
Picking on a family with a kid with special needs is awful. He needs his head kicking in.
backwoodsman said:
Called 101, they have logged it, and said it will be prioritized if we 999 them on Monday, due to vulnerable disabled people in the house.
My priority this weekend, is move as much stuff as possible, in our car.
We will try to have the place empty by the end of tomorrow, don't think it's possible, but I'll try anyway.
Why are you moving as much stuff out of the house as you can and plan to leave it empty.How will you live there with it empty and you are helping the landlord as if he comes on Monday and sees the house is empty he could kick you out and if the police or anyone else questions him he can say you have moved out - look the house if empty so he cannor be living there.My priority this weekend, is move as much stuff as possible, in our car.
We will try to have the place empty by the end of tomorrow, don't think it's possible, but I'll try anyway.
I hope everything goes well for you and you enjoy your new accommodation.
As a landlord, I despair when other landlords act like this, as it gives us all a bad name and increases the likelihood of more pointless regulation, like we're starting to see in Liverpool and a Labour government would likely mean more of. This is a perfect example of how bad landlords will continue to be bad landlords, no matter what the legalities are, while the good landlords will get penalised with registration schemes etc.
Sorry for the rant. Hope this works out OK for the OP. If he turns up, do not open the door and ring the police immediately.
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Sorry for the rant. Hope this works out OK for the OP. If he turns up, do not open the door and ring the police immediately.
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soad said:
Eleven said:
There is more to this story than we are being told, is my guess.
You're welcome to speculate.I have previously been a tenant, I am a landlord, I was for a number of years a letting agent and I manage a large portfolio of residential property. What I can tell you is that there are always two sides to a landlord / tenant dispute. We are hearing one.
I would also say (possibly controversially) that when I have dealt with LL/Tenant disputes in the majority of cases the landlord has been more in the right than the tenant. Why is this? Broadly speaking, landlords have to be *relatively* responsible people to have amassed the capital to buy property or obtained the necessary borrowing. Tenants on the other hand may only have needed to rustle up a deposit and a week's rent - sometimes not even that. They are often naïve and irresponsible.
Landlords tend to act rationally and rarely in my experience go out their way to court trouble. The sanctions are too great these days to not to behave properly.
Of course there are some s
tty landlords and there are many excellent tenants. The OP might be blameless and the landlord an utter tyrant. The tenant may be an idiot and the landlord excellent at his job. The truth almost certainly lies between those extremes and we will probably never know exactly where.Edited by Eleven on Thursday 5th March 15:49
Eleven said:
Thanks.
I have previously been a tenant, I am a landlord, I was for a number of years a letting agent and I manage a large portfolio of residential property. What I can tell you is that there are always two sides to a landlord / tenant dispute. We are hearing one.
I would also say (possibly controversially) that when I have dealt with LL/Tenant disputes in the majority of cases the landlord has been more in the right than the tenant. Why is this? Broadly speaking, landlords have to be *relatively* responsible people to have amassed the capital to buy property or obtained the necessary borrowing. Tenants on the other hand may only have needed to rustle up a deposit and a week's rent - sometimes not even that. They are often naïve and irresponsible.
Landlords tend to act rationally and rarely in my experience go out their way to court trouble. The sanctions are too great these days to not to behave properly.
Of course there are some stty landlords and there are many excellent tenants. The OP might be blameless and the landlord an utter tyrant. The tenant may be an idiot and the landlord excellent at his job. The truth almost certainly lays between those extremes and we will probably never know exactly where.
+1I have previously been a tenant, I am a landlord, I was for a number of years a letting agent and I manage a large portfolio of residential property. What I can tell you is that there are always two sides to a landlord / tenant dispute. We are hearing one.
I would also say (possibly controversially) that when I have dealt with LL/Tenant disputes in the majority of cases the landlord has been more in the right than the tenant. Why is this? Broadly speaking, landlords have to be *relatively* responsible people to have amassed the capital to buy property or obtained the necessary borrowing. Tenants on the other hand may only have needed to rustle up a deposit and a week's rent - sometimes not even that. They are often naïve and irresponsible.
Landlords tend to act rationally and rarely in my experience go out their way to court trouble. The sanctions are too great these days to not to behave properly.
Of course there are some s
tty landlords and there are many excellent tenants. The OP might be blameless and the landlord an utter tyrant. The tenant may be an idiot and the landlord excellent at his job. The truth almost certainly lays between those extremes and we will probably never know exactly where.Edited by Eleven on Thursday 5th March 15:25
Eleven said:
Landlords tend to act rationally
You missed off the word "most" . . . there are a lot that don't and many who can not afford to do what they do so a potential void period ruins their cash flow and they act irrationally. This particular situation could also be seen as a landlord attempting to take the cash and have a head start at finding a new tenant because he can't afford a void. George111 said:
Eleven said:
Landlords tend to act rationally
You missed off the word "most" . . . there are a lot that don't and many who can not afford to do what they do so a potential void period ruins their cash flow and they act irrationally. This particular situation could also be seen as a landlord attempting to take the cash and have a head start at finding a new tenant because he can't afford a void. Like I said, landlords generally act rationally and risking prosecution without good reason is not rational. There is more to this story. If I had to make a wild guess the OP hasn't looked after the property and it's not lettable in its current state and / or the OP is being difficult in some way.
Eleven said:
George111 said:
Eleven said:
Landlords tend to act rationally
You missed off the word "most" . . . there are a lot that don't and many who can not afford to do what they do so a potential void period ruins their cash flow and they act irrationally. This particular situation could also be seen as a landlord attempting to take the cash and have a head start at finding a new tenant because he can't afford a void. Like I said, landlords generally act rationally and risking prosecution without good reason is not rational. There is more to this story. If I had to make a wild guess the OP hasn't looked after the property and it's not lettable in its current state and / or the OP is being difficult in some way.
Of all the properties my lettings department manage I would say 1-2% of Landlords are more difficult than they have to be.
Some do cheaper repairs than is ideal, and sometimes take a week or so longer than is ideal. but it's a rare occassion a Landlord is unreasonable or unfair.
Then again, our tenants are usually as good. They complain about deductions, but there is ususally a middle ground and they understand their responsibilities.
Maybe the landlord/tenant approach is different in other parts of the country with lower value houses and rents.
Some do cheaper repairs than is ideal, and sometimes take a week or so longer than is ideal. but it's a rare occassion a Landlord is unreasonable or unfair.
Then again, our tenants are usually as good. They complain about deductions, but there is ususally a middle ground and they understand their responsibilities.
Maybe the landlord/tenant approach is different in other parts of the country with lower value houses and rents.
I've let a couple of places in the past when I've moved around.
One place I had a nightmare of a landlord.
Flat looked fine and was the going rate for the area. It was let from the main independent local estate agent, but every time we approached them, they had to wait for the landlord to make a decision.
The first issue turned out to be the mattress on the bed. I didn't notice when I quickly viewed the place, but it was basically a lump of foam that had been wrapped in plastic! Not only was it uncomfortable and noisy, it made us sweat like pigs during the night. Obviously it wasn't fire safe either. Valid complaint I thought. The landlord refused to replace it.
Then a few months into our lease, the electric cooker went bang and sparks went everywhere. It was an old looking thing anyway and stopped working after that. Another valid complaint
The estate agents couldn't get the landlord for days on end, then when they did get him, he wanted us to wait another two weeks before his electrician got back from holiday. This caused a bit of an issue as the landlord wouldn't back down.
I then forced the estate agent to do something as this was unacceptable to me. They sent round an electrician to have a look. He refused to fix the cooker and said it was dangerous. He isolated it and told us not to use it. He then sent a report back to the estate agents saying exactly that. The estate agents then promised the landlord had ordered a replacement.
Near enough two weeks later we came home to a note in the kitchen. The landlord had let his electrician into the flat and he had fixed the cooker.
Then the old tumble drier stopped working just a week later. So another complaint. I also said I wasn't happy about the cooker being fixed or entering the property without my consent or knowledge.
More stalling tactics before the estate agent gave me the landlord's phone number to speak to him directly. I phoned to discuss things with him and got an earful of abuse. I was this and that and making issues for no reason.
I spoke to the estate agent again just days later. This time I was told it didn't really matter now as I only had 2 weeks of my 4 weeks notice to go. We hadn't received any notification of the lease being terminated.
I still made an effort to leave the place in the best condition as possible. On moving the sofa I did end up marking the light carpet. Turns out the wheels had already been melted and didn't turn. When we pushed it there was plastic marks on the carpet that we couldn't get off. I got billed for a new carpet.
In my very short experience of letting, I've had a bad experience. I wouldn't say my landlord was a good guy at all. I also hated the way that I let through an agent who basically did nothing.
One place I had a nightmare of a landlord.
Flat looked fine and was the going rate for the area. It was let from the main independent local estate agent, but every time we approached them, they had to wait for the landlord to make a decision.
The first issue turned out to be the mattress on the bed. I didn't notice when I quickly viewed the place, but it was basically a lump of foam that had been wrapped in plastic! Not only was it uncomfortable and noisy, it made us sweat like pigs during the night. Obviously it wasn't fire safe either. Valid complaint I thought. The landlord refused to replace it.
Then a few months into our lease, the electric cooker went bang and sparks went everywhere. It was an old looking thing anyway and stopped working after that. Another valid complaint
The estate agents couldn't get the landlord for days on end, then when they did get him, he wanted us to wait another two weeks before his electrician got back from holiday. This caused a bit of an issue as the landlord wouldn't back down.
I then forced the estate agent to do something as this was unacceptable to me. They sent round an electrician to have a look. He refused to fix the cooker and said it was dangerous. He isolated it and told us not to use it. He then sent a report back to the estate agents saying exactly that. The estate agents then promised the landlord had ordered a replacement.
Near enough two weeks later we came home to a note in the kitchen. The landlord had let his electrician into the flat and he had fixed the cooker.
Then the old tumble drier stopped working just a week later. So another complaint. I also said I wasn't happy about the cooker being fixed or entering the property without my consent or knowledge.
More stalling tactics before the estate agent gave me the landlord's phone number to speak to him directly. I phoned to discuss things with him and got an earful of abuse. I was this and that and making issues for no reason.
I spoke to the estate agent again just days later. This time I was told it didn't really matter now as I only had 2 weeks of my 4 weeks notice to go. We hadn't received any notification of the lease being terminated.
I still made an effort to leave the place in the best condition as possible. On moving the sofa I did end up marking the light carpet. Turns out the wheels had already been melted and didn't turn. When we pushed it there was plastic marks on the carpet that we couldn't get off. I got billed for a new carpet.
In my very short experience of letting, I've had a bad experience. I wouldn't say my landlord was a good guy at all. I also hated the way that I let through an agent who basically did nothing.
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 6th March 09:49
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