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Devil2575 said:
Phatboy317 said:
The impact speed can be anything between zero and full travelling speed.
And actual casualty figures strongly suggest that most collision speeds are considerably less than 30mph
Of course, because most drivers manage to brake before impact. However that speed will still on average be higher the higher the travelling speed. And actual casualty figures strongly suggest that most collision speeds are considerably less than 30mph
Edited by Phatboy317 on Monday 9th March 21:43
But now tell millions of drivers that they have more time to react as long as they stay within the limit. How many of those will take that literally and start driving with a bit less care?
And then tell millions of vulnerable pedestrians that the roads are safer places because more people are driving slower. How many more are going to take less care crossing the road?
And, for good measure, why not make the roads narrower, giving drivers less room to manoeuvre and swerve out if needs be,reduce lines of sight, put up all manner of street furniture to hide pedestrians from drivers' view, etc?
Are you very sure that casualties are going to go down?
Edited by Phatboy317 on Monday 9th March 22:15
JagXJR said:
And then you spoilt it with that one. Chance does not come into it really.
The whole point of driving is to control the car. There is no such thing as an accident, that is why the emergency services now call them RTCs.
Part of the skill of driving is vision. The ability to see something and think "hello, this may become a problem".
Do we not think that the reason for these low (in comparison to the advances in vehicle dynamics and crash technology) speed limits is that many people lack these basic skills? And then blame other things or people instead of their own lacking of basic skills like observation, the ability to see everything happening around you?
Finally, and this is not something that occurs to many, in a powerful car (which in comparison to older cars, most are these days) it is possible and sometimes beneficial to accelerate out of trouble, than to brake into it?
No offence but I don't think you really know what you're on about.The whole point of driving is to control the car. There is no such thing as an accident, that is why the emergency services now call them RTCs.
Part of the skill of driving is vision. The ability to see something and think "hello, this may become a problem".
Do we not think that the reason for these low (in comparison to the advances in vehicle dynamics and crash technology) speed limits is that many people lack these basic skills? And then blame other things or people instead of their own lacking of basic skills like observation, the ability to see everything happening around you?
Finally, and this is not something that occurs to many, in a powerful car (which in comparison to older cars, most are these days) it is possible and sometimes beneficial to accelerate out of trouble, than to brake into it?
Phatboy317 said:
And, anyway, this is the worst-case scenario, and assumes that not only do pedestrians always dash into the road without looking, but that drivers always barrel along at the speed limit, never slowing down for changing conditions and potential hazards, and only reacting if and when a pedestrian is in the road in front of them. Fortunately, most people are better behaved than that most of the time, otherwise the accident rate would probably be orders of magnitude higher than it is.
They do. thats why we have all the pileups in foggy conditions.Edited by Phatboy317 on Monday 9th March 19:26
There are millions of possible permutations of factors that can dictate whether an incident will take place or not.
Easy to see puke yellow car or hard to spot against a dark road grey one.
Driver concentrating on the road or updating Facebook.
Wide awake person versus tired one.
Consumption of impairing substances like alcohol or drugs.
Quiet car not attracting attention versus loud exhaust, attention seeking one.
Family car with average braking capabilities versus sports car with superior braking systems.
Good, highly trained driver versus young driver with little experience.
Yet despite all these factors it is one limit for all. And in the case of the 30 limit, decided by how far apart lamp posts are.
That is the law, however much it is wrong, break it and you have to face the consequences. We all know the risks when we exceed that limit.
Moaning about 1 MPH difference and should not have been caught because of guidelines does not really come into it, wrong is wrong, no matter how much wrong it is.
JagXJR said:
There is no such thing as an accident, that is why the emergency services now call them RTCs.
There are several things wrong with your recent post, but I'll just pick the worst one and quickly dispose of it-An accident is any event, but usually a negative one, that was unintended. Nearly all RTCs are accidents, those that aren't were intentional.
When enquiring into the meaning of English words, you don't need to consult the emergency services, a dictionary is a much better bet.
Dammit said:
By his own account he's a dangerous incompetent behind the wheel of a car, so even he agrees with that statement.
Not true, your interpretation of a situation you didn't see plus a few assumptions thrown in give you the wrong impression.But then you are never wrong I get from your posts.
singlecoil said:
JagXJR said:
There is no such thing as an accident, that is why the emergency services now call them RTCs.
There are several things wrong with your recent post, but I'll just pick the worst one and quickly dispose of it-An accident is any event, but usually a negative one, that was unintended. Nearly all RTCs are accidents, those that aren't were intentional.
When enquiring into the meaning of English words, you don't need to consult the emergency services, a dictionary is a much better bet.
Too bad many poor drivers cannot and have collisions.
Phatboy317 said:
Foggy conditions are very common.
Big pileups in the fog are, thankfully, extremely rare.
You do the math
There is no need for any of those extremely rare pileups if drivers slowed down to a safe speed instead of blindly to a speed limit.Big pileups in the fog are, thankfully, extremely rare.
You do the math
Maths was never my strongest point though
Devil2575 said:
Indeed. There will be a correlation between collision speed and travelling speed.
What's important is that those accidents that do occur above 30 mph will be the most severe ones.
We're back to a magic 30 again. Why is it important that the accidents above 30 will be the most severe? You could say the same thing about 35, or 25, or any other number you like and it would be just as true.What's important is that those accidents that do occur above 30 mph will be the most severe ones.
JagXJR said:
Phatboy317 said:
Foggy conditions are very common.
Big pileups in the fog are, thankfully, extremely rare.
You do the math
There is no need for any of those extremely rare pileups if drivers slowed down to a safe speed instead of blindly to a speed limit.Big pileups in the fog are, thankfully, extremely rare.
You do the math
Maths was never my strongest point though
But how many times have you experienced a fog bank, where visibility suddenly drops to 10 metres or less?
That happens very rarely, and when it happens it's too late to slow down much, and all you can really do is hope that nobody's stopped up ahead. You know it's not a good idea to stop otherwise someone's going to be into the back of you.
That's really scary when it happens - mercifully, not often.
Edited by Phatboy317 on Monday 9th March 22:43
JagXJR said:
There are no things wrong with what I posted, but let me answer your incorrect one quoted. If you drive with care, properly, you will never have an accident.
Too bad many poor drivers cannot and have collisions.
Bizarre comment, so you're saying that your driving can alter the incompetents around you and 100% prevent them from crashing into you? Forget the defensive driving stuff. What happens if you're stopped at a set of lights and someone drives into the front of you?Too bad many poor drivers cannot and have collisions.
JagXJR said:
There are no things wrong with what I posted, but let me answer your incorrect one quoted. If you drive with care, properly, you will never have an accident.
Too bad many poor drivers cannot and have collisions.
With respect, that's dangerous nonsense.Too bad many poor drivers cannot and have collisions.
Do poor drivers always only collide with other poor drivers?
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