Good money maker today
Discussion
tapereel said:
Speed Awareness Courses start at 35mph in a30 so no-go for that; it will need to be a fixed penalty. It will be interesting to see if the speed really was 34mph.
At the risk of a Whoosh Parrot, that has to be the best logic fail ever. Edited by LoonR1 on Monday 2nd March 07:55
stuart313 said:
If it was 34, surely you would ignore the SAC and wait for a FPN, ignore that and get a summons, would they really go all the way for 34, against all the guidelines. I think this is one where you would get the copper on the stand to explain.
I think the key point is for the OP to scan and post a copy on here (less anything that he worries will lead to immediate identity theft of course). There are at least three of us who believe that will never happen. One here who will even pay the defence costs if the OP uses agtlaw to defend his wife. Can't beat that for an offer for what is no more than a couple of minutes work for the OP.
EDIT: for clarity I will only do the above if the speed stated on the NIP or other official docs is as per the OP at 34mph or less.
Edited by LoonR1 on Monday 2nd March 08:22
yonex said:
Bitter, no these things aren't going to get me down. The course is easy, if boring and the money isn't a problem. The point is that it was borderline entrapment for revenue, nothing to do with safety, nothing at all. The event was in the woods some 7 miles up the road, this was a great spot to catch people out returning to the M40.
I'm sure you'll be happy when every limited is heavily policed
Sounds more like lack of observation to me.I'm sure you'll be happy when every limited is heavily policed
Bleating just makes it even worse.
yonex said:
Bitter, no these things aren't going to get me down. The course is easy, if boring and the money isn't a problem. The point is that it was borderline entrapment for revenue, nothing to do with safety, nothing at all. The event was in the woods some 7 miles up the road, this was a great spot to catch people out returning to the M40.
I'm sure you'll be happy when every limited is heavily policed
I was wondering what you thought of the 30mph limit then?I'm sure you'll be happy when every limited is heavily policed
I presume you think it is wrong there?
Bert
LoonR1 said:
tapereel said:
Speed Awareness Courses start at 35mph in a30 so no-go for that; it will need to be a fixed penalty. It will be interesting to see if the speed really was 34mph.
At the risk of a Whoosh Parrot, that has to be the best logic fail ever. 
stuart313 said:
If it was 34, surely you would ignore the SAC and wait for a FPN, ignore that and get a summons, would they really go all the way for 34, against all the guidelines. I think this is one where you would get the copper on the stand to explain.
I think your thinking will lead to points and a big fine at the Magistrates' court. La Liga said:
stuart313 said:
If it was 34, surely you would ignore the SAC and wait for a FPN, ignore that and get a summons, would they really go all the way for 34, against all the guidelines. I think this is one where you would get the copper on the stand to explain.
I think your thinking will lead to points and a big fine at the Magistrates' court. Surely she'd have been given issued with paperwork at the roadside, or at least a verbal NIP?
In answer to the points.
It was an observation that the Police were out to make as many easy speeding tickets as possible off the back of people returning from an event, it was cynical. My other half was caught and was speeding, she will either go on the course or take the FPN, it doesn't matter as it is her first offence in as long as I can remember. I don't have the ticket and I am not interested in posting it up, if you choose not to believe me, that also, doesn't matter much. My own SAC was for a similar speed and I can remember posting about the experience on here saying I had found it positive, I still do, it was useful and curbed some daft habits of mine.
I guess the only thing that irks me is that given the lack of bodies within TVP (or whatever part of the force this was) I would have thought there was a better use for them? Did this have anything to do with safety on the roads, I've looked at it and it didn't, it was purely about tickets. That is my issue. I'd rather everyone went on a mandatory course every year, which would do far more good and raise more money whilst freeing up resources for things like random breath tests and car crime.
Anyway.
It was an observation that the Police were out to make as many easy speeding tickets as possible off the back of people returning from an event, it was cynical. My other half was caught and was speeding, she will either go on the course or take the FPN, it doesn't matter as it is her first offence in as long as I can remember. I don't have the ticket and I am not interested in posting it up, if you choose not to believe me, that also, doesn't matter much. My own SAC was for a similar speed and I can remember posting about the experience on here saying I had found it positive, I still do, it was useful and curbed some daft habits of mine.
I guess the only thing that irks me is that given the lack of bodies within TVP (or whatever part of the force this was) I would have thought there was a better use for them? Did this have anything to do with safety on the roads, I've looked at it and it didn't, it was purely about tickets. That is my issue. I'd rather everyone went on a mandatory course every year, which would do far more good and raise more money whilst freeing up resources for things like random breath tests and car crime.
Anyway.
yonex said:
Bitter, no these things aren't going to get me down. The course is easy, if boring and the money isn't a problem. The point is that it was borderline entrapment for revenue, nothing to do with safety, nothing at all. The event was in the woods some 7 miles up the road, this was a great spot to catch people out returning to the M40.
I'm sure you'll be happy when every limited is heavily policed
I'm no fan of speed traps and may or may not have exceeded limits but how on earth can it be entrapment? Did plod encourage your wife to exceed the limit?I'm sure you'll be happy when every limited is heavily policed
yonex said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
Oh dear. We are bitter, aren't we.
Bitter, no these things aren't going to get me down. The course is easy, if boring and the money isn't a problem. The point is that it was borderline entrapment for revenue, nothing to do with safety, nothing at all. The event was in the woods some 7 miles up the road, this was a great spot to catch people out returning to the M40. I'm sure you'll be happy when every limited is heavily policed
I thought cycles were exempt, something about not being a motor vehicle? Or not legally required to have a speedo?
Might be worth looking into to see if you can contest in court?
ETA
Apologies may be in order, I assumed you were on cycles as you were going to a cycling event
Edited by JagXJR on Monday 2nd March 10:38
yonex said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
Oh dear. We are bitter, aren't we.
Bitter, no these things aren't going to get me down. The course is easy, if boring and the money isn't a problem. The point is that it was borderline entrapment for revenue, nothing to do with safety, nothing at all. The event was in the woods some 7 miles up the road, this was a great spot to catch people out returning to the M40. I'm sure you'll be happy when every limited is heavily policed
The sentence in bold is quite telling in this case. It's an emotional response, not a rational one. If you stopped and thought about it for a while you'd realise that you cannot state any of it with any certainty. You have no idea for the reason for setting up the speed trap and to claim that it is borderline entrapment makes no logical sense.
JagXJR said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
22Rgt said:
Mk3 Spitfire being a turd as usual..
Since you and Tovie have both said really nasty things about me, can I cry "pack mentality"? The two posters concerned should learn to control themselves and if they feel they have something to add they should do so in a rational and grown up manner. As it stands their responses say something about them and very little about the recipient, as do 99% of emotional outbursts.
yonex said:
It was an observation that the Police were out to make as many easy speeding tickets as possible off the back of people returning from an event, it was cynical.
I fully agree with this. I also think it is very cynical of the police to stop and breathalyse so many motorists returning from bars and pubs at Christmas when they're only 10% + 3mg over the legal drink drive limit - cynical, cynical, cynical.yonex said:
My own SAC was for a similar speed and I can remember posting about the experience on here saying I had found it positive, I still do, it was useful and curbed some daft habits of mine.
So if you agree that this kind of policing can and does have a positive effect on driver behaviour, there's nothing to complain about?Devil2575 said:
JagXJR said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
22Rgt said:
Mk3 Spitfire being a turd as usual..
Since you and Tovie have both said really nasty things about me, can I cry "pack mentality"? The two posters concerned should learn to control themselves and if they feel they have something to add they should do so in a rational and grown up manner. As it stands their responses say something about them and very little about the recipient, as do 99% of emotional outbursts.
Mk3Spitfire said:
JagXJR said:
Really?
The abusive way they were riding makes them muppets. Fact. They were wearing Lycra. Fact. No judgement needed.
The sad thing is all these people on the Internet trolling. Bullying from a keyboard. Nice!
Sorry, but from the post tha Mopar quoted on the previous page, that is pure hypocrisy. The abusive way they were riding makes them muppets. Fact. They were wearing Lycra. Fact. No judgement needed.
The sad thing is all these people on the Internet trolling. Bullying from a keyboard. Nice!
You have formed the opinion that their riding was that of a "muppet" or a "tit". I would suggest that was judging, not fact.
You then go on to say "it's lucky my Mrs was in the car or I would have stopped, wrapped the bike around your head and threw you both in the river" or words very similar to that.
What exactly is that if not keyboard warrior, "I'm well 'ard, me" trash talk?
If you're going to use hyperbole, then you can't really criticise others for doing so.
Mk3Spitfire said:
TOV!E said:
What a w
ker you must be
Wow, your nuggets of intelligence have reached this thread too. Aren't we lucky to have such a scholar in our midst?ker you must beApologies if this is not the case, but there are a lot of keyboard warriors on here lately. Taking peoples posts and altering and twisting them for their own means. People then having not read the posts leading up to them wade in and it all gets a bit silly
As you yourself should know, had a few uncalled for comments from yourself as I recall.
If anyones behaviour is out of order it should be referred to the MODs who can be impartial, rather than having little digs that can only make the situation worse!
JagXJR said:
which sound provocative and troll-like than you can expect to get a bit of flak back.
Apologies if this is not the case, but there are a lot of keyboard warriors on here lately. Taking peoples posts and altering and twisting them for their own means. People then having not read the posts leading up to them wade in and it all gets a bit silly
As you yourself should know, had a few uncalled for comments from yourself as I recall.
If anyones behaviour is out of order it should be referred to the MODs who can be impartial, rather than having little digs that can only make the situation worse!
There was no wading in, Jag. I was referring to your innapropriate and offensive language. Threats of "wrapping bikes around people's heads" and "throwing them in the river" and generally making judgements about people's choice of transport, while at the same time complaining people were judging you. Apologies if this is not the case, but there are a lot of keyboard warriors on here lately. Taking peoples posts and altering and twisting them for their own means. People then having not read the posts leading up to them wade in and it all gets a bit silly
As you yourself should know, had a few uncalled for comments from yourself as I recall.
If anyones behaviour is out of order it should be referred to the MODs who can be impartial, rather than having little digs that can only make the situation worse!
If you want to refer to people as "tits" and muppets, that's your choice. But like I said before, it comes across as hypocritical. Do you want the Mods to look at your posts too?
I also think that responding to others use of the word "w
ker" etc without any foul language would be considered acceptable.Edited by Mk3Spitfire on Monday 2nd March 11:17
Devil2575 said:
JagXJR said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
22Rgt said:
Mk3 Spitfire being a turd as usual..
Since you and Tovie have both said really nasty things about me, can I cry "pack mentality"? The two posters concerned should learn to control themselves and if they feel they have something to add they should do so in a rational and grown up manner. As it stands their responses say something about them and very little about the recipient, as do 99% of emotional outbursts.
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