Dashcam footage and dangerous driving

[fulgurex]

mygoldfishbowl said:

Get your dash cam & through it in the bin. st happens daily.

As a none native English speaker I don't understand this comment. Through it in the bin? What are you trying to say?

[allergictocheese]

' throw'

[GC8]

Impasse said:

It's all a bit "Occupied France".

Nah! They were all collaborating!

[Mopar440]

R8VXF said:

You can see the reg on my footage at home that is at 1080p, youtube downgraded it to 360p for some reason.

Looks pretty good at full HD 1080. You do realise how YouTube works and offers a selection of resolutions from 360 up to full HD? (If you uploaded it at full HD, as you did.)

[R8VXF]

Mopar440 said:

R8VXF said:

You can see the reg on my footage at home that is at 1080p, youtube downgraded it to 360p for some reason.

Looks pretty good at full HD 1080. You do realise how YouTube works and offers a selection of resolutions from 360 up to full HD? (If you uploaded it at full HD, as you did.)

I did try selecting 1080p last night but it wasn't an option. Must be some youtube fkwittery in the back end processing.

[SK425]

R8VXF said:

Yep, confuses me too. I wonder what the line is for these people to report something to the police?

Personally, I would be at least partly guided by how much of my time I could afford to spend reporting bad driving to the police. If I were to report everyone I see change lanes in a manner that causes someone to have to brake to cope with it, I'd have half a dozen reports to make every day just from my drive to work, and another half a dozen from the drive home. I'm afraid I just can't afford the time to gather the information to report that many cases every day (and I suspect the police might get a little tired of me if I did ). Granted, most of those cases I see do not also involve contravening a road marking like in your video, but personally I don't see that as particularly relevant - it's not as if forcing someone to brake as a result of an ordinary lane change is any more acceptable.

[R8VXF]

SK425 said:

R8VXF said:

Yep, confuses me too. I wonder what the line is for these people to report something to the police?

Personally, I would be at least partly guided by how much of my time I could afford to spend reporting bad driving to the police. If I were to report everyone I see change lanes in a manner that causes someone to have to brake to cope with it, I'd have half a dozen reports to make every day just from my drive to work, and another half a dozen from the drive home. I'm afraid I just can't afford the time to gather the information to report that many cases every day (and I suspect the police might get a little tired of me if I did ). Granted, most of those cases I see do not also involve contravening a road marking like in your video, but personally I don't see that as particularly relevant - it's not as if forcing someone to brake as a result of an ordinary lane change is any more acceptable.

Agreed on the time/benefit ratio, but have to disagree about the severity of this manoeuvre vs general lane muppetry. Will try and explain in a bit, dinner is calling

[anonymous-user]

R8VXF said:

don'tbesilly said:

Impressive tally for someone sitting on a very high horse, what's the weather like up there?

mighty fine actually.


Did you actually read the op? I was asking for opinions, not judgements. I will post up my undertake of someone doing 65 in the outside lane of the m25 not 5 minutes before if that makes you feel better. I havent reported this to the police, I was asking what other people would do. Now I know how many retards who are up their own rectums there are in this sub forum, I am gonna stay out of it and leave you all to your own jerkcircle.

Hmmm. "Retard up own rectum". Looked in a mirror lately?

Get a life.

[Driver101]

vonhosen said:

It is a bit perplexing how many people here constantly complain about driving standards in this country & that little is being done about it, yet many here also then say driving like that should be ignored.

Everyone complains about everything on the road. "Those cameras are just cash cows, it should be police on the road". When the police are on the road, suddenly they also become the issue and should be "doing more constructive things like finding real criminals rather than targeting drivers". The list of excuses people make is endless and all come down to people not liking to be under control or told they are doing wrong. Any time someone is caught doing something, many of them think they have some valid reason or justification for their behaviour.

Everyone notices fault with other people's driving, yet don't like it when people pick them up on their's.

The biggest issue I have with all these dash cams is half the drivers using them are worse than the people without them. The reason they tell us they need them is to protect themselves in event of having another accident. They often don't grasp that they get involved in accidents due to their own driving.

When they capture someone doing something wrong, they are quick to get it up on Youtube and many report incidents to the police. However quite often you only get to see half the story. Like this thread, things don't add up and the story changes. You get a half edited video to show one side of the story when there is often another side to that story. They'll edit out as much of their bad driving as they can, but watch many of their videos and you will find as much law breaking in their videos, by themselves, as they capture others doing wrong. You're not allowed to mention that though, and even with the video for reference, you can't change someone's opinion who thinks they are right even when their opinion is clouded by anger.

Many are often the instigators of incidents. They become more aggressive on the road as they feel empowered by the camera, assuming it will defend them if anything happens. Rather than backing out on an incident to keep themselves safe, they go the opposite way, becoming forceful and feel the camera will prove the other driver to be wrong. Many go out of their way to cause an issue.

It's complete double standards that these camera warriors want to run to the police to get others in trouble, yet only report half the story and wouldn't exactly grass themselves in for their errors. One rule for them, another rule for everyone else.

I find many of these camera warriors to be childish the way they try to bully other road users, then run off and try to get others in trouble. The worst part is many them are only comfortable to do it from the security of a hidden camera in their car and the rest from behind their keyboard.

[fulgurex]

allergictocheese said:

' throw'

Thank you. Why do these people not use the correct word? Are they foreign too? It is difficult to follow if people use completely wrong words

[vonhosen]

LoonR1 said:

vonhosen said:

It is a bit perplexing how many people here constantly complain about driving standards in this country & that little is being done about it, yet many here also then say driving like that should be ignored.

The issue for me with driving standards is not that peoe
Do the odd occasional daft thing. It's that there is an inherent removal of the concept of risk management and competence from driving in favour of an absolute compliance approach.

I've spent a few weeks sitting on the floor with some of my staff listening to claims calls and the overriding message that I get from drivers aged 30 and below is "I can't be in the wrong, I wasn't speeding" or "the other driver was speeding so they're at fault" with scant regard to the atrocious driving skills our under 30 year old insured must've displayed to cause the accident.

Why do feel it safe to assume that it's an odd daft move for the driver?

At best it's a road he/she has never driven down before and missed/ignored a warning that the exit was coming up from about 2/3rds of a mile out & then decided what the hell I'll get off anyway.

More likely he/she drives the route several times a week, knows exactly where the junction is & has warning signs for it visible about a mile out from it & that smacks of a poor concept of risk management & general courtesy/care with regard to everyone around him/her.

[LoonR1]

fulgurex said:

Thank you. Why do these people not use the correct word? Are they foreign too? It is difficult to follow if people use completely wrong words

Cue the classics:

Your / you're
It's / its
There / their / they're
Bought / brought
Specific / pacific

Tip of the iceberg, as we become ever more illiterate

[vonhosen]

Driver101 said:

vonhosen said:

It is a bit perplexing how many people here constantly complain about driving standards in this country & that little is being done about it, yet many here also then say driving like that should be ignored.

Everyone complains about everything on the road. "Those cameras are just cash cows, it should be police on the road". When the police are on the road, suddenly they also become the issue and should be "doing more constructive things like finding real criminals rather than targeting drivers". The list of excuses people make is endless and all come down to people not liking to be under control or told they are doing wrong. Any time someone is caught doing something, many of them think they have some valid reason or justification for their behaviour.

Everyone notices fault with other people's driving, yet don't like it when people pick them up on their's.

The biggest issue I have with all these dash cams is half the drivers using them are worse than the people without them. The reason they tell us they need them is to protect themselves in event of having another accident. They often don't grasp that they get involved in accidents due to their own driving.

When they capture someone doing something wrong, they are quick to get it up on Youtube and many report incidents to the police. However quite often you only get to see half the story. Like this thread, things don't add up and the story changes. You get a half edited video to show one side of the story when there is often another side to that story. They'll edit out as much of their bad driving as they can, but watch many of their videos and you will find as much law breaking in their videos, by themselves, as they capture others doing wrong. You're not allowed to mention that though, and even with the video for reference, you can't change someone's opinion who thinks they are right even when their opinion is clouded by anger.

Many are often the instigators of incidents. They become more aggressive on the road as they feel empowered by the camera, assuming it will defend them if anything happens. Rather than backing out on an incident to keep themselves safe, they go the opposite way, becoming forceful and feel the camera will prove the other driver to be wrong. Many go out of their way to cause an issue.

It's complete double standards that these camera warriors want to run to the police to get others in trouble, yet only report half the story and wouldn't exactly grass themselves in for their errors. One rule for them, another rule for everyone else.

I find many of these camera warriors to be childish the way they try to bully other road users, then run off and try to get others in trouble. The worst part is many them are only comfortable to do it from the security of a hidden camera in their car and the rest from behind their keyboard.

None of that alters the poor driving in the video, the sort of driving we should be addressing.
The Police need the publics help in providing evidence of offending in all aspects of offending (people tend to hide there behavioural traits in the presence of Police or there aren't enough around to catch them redhanded), it's not restricted to terrorism, burglary etc.

Give it to them & let them decide on what to do with it.

[RichB]

LoonR1 said:

fulgurex said:

Thank you. Why do these people not use the correct word? Are they foreign too? It is difficult to follow if people use completely wrong words

Cue the classics:

Your / you're
It's / its
There / their / they're
Bought / brought
Specific / pacific

Tip of the iceberg, as we become ever more illiterate

Indeed and compounded by the use of iPads and smart phones with predictive spelling which people can't be bothered to correct when it gets it wrong. It's laziness most of the time.

[LoonR1]

vonhosen said:

Why do feel it safe to assume that it's an odd daft move for the driver?

At best it's a road he/she has never driven down before and missed/ignored a warning that the exit was coming up from about 2/3rds of a mile out & then decided what the hell I'll get off anyway.

More likely he/she drives the route several times a week, knows exactly where the junction is & has warning signs for it visible about a mile out from it & that smacks of a poor concept of risk management & general courtesy/care with regard to everyone around him/her.

Daft as in a mistake and also daft as in stupid. it is, though, the Police's job to enforce standards, not the normal roaduser. Dashcam drivers remind me of those idiots on white Pan Europeans, with battenburgs on their panniers, wearing black leather with a white helmet and a hi viz jacket, both of the latter tending to have black and white battenburgs to be as close to plod as you can you can be.

Pratts. End of n

[vonhosen]

LoonR1 said:

vonhosen said:

Why do feel it safe to assume that it's an odd daft move for the driver?

At best it's a road he/she has never driven down before and missed/ignored a warning that the exit was coming up from about 2/3rds of a mile out & then decided what the hell I'll get off anyway.

More likely he/she drives the route several times a week, knows exactly where the junction is & has warning signs for it visible about a mile out from it & that smacks of a poor concept of risk management & general courtesy/care with regard to everyone around him/her.

Daft as in a mistake and also daft as in stupid. it is, though, the Police's job to enforce standards, not the normal roaduser. Dashcam drivers remind me of those idiots on white Pan Europeans, with battenburgs on their panniers, wearing black leather with a white helmet and a hi viz jacket, both of the latter tending to have black and white battenburgs to be as close to plod as you can you can be.

Pratts. End of n

The Police would be the people deciding what to do with it.
The witness is the person alerting them to it & providing evidence of it, just like the person who calls Police after seeing somebody running a key along the side of a neighbours car on his security camera.

[LoonR1]

vonhosen said:

The Police would be the people deciding what to do with it.
The witness is the person alerting them to it & providing evidence of it, just like the person who calls Police after seeing somebody running a key along the side of a neighbours car on his security camera.

You should have used stabbing someone for dramatic effect. There is little value in the country being populated by camera wielding idiots reporting every single minor infraction that they perceive to have happened. We are already subject to some major surveillance by CCTV which can be used when / if something worthwhile happens, but having people running around acting as they are starting to would make for a draconian society b

[g3org3y]

longshot said:

It's a pretty st piece of driving but worse happens all the time.

roofer said:

Anyone who indicates on a roundabout is fine with me.

[vonhosen]

LoonR1 said:

vonhosen said:

The Police would be the people deciding what to do with it.
The witness is the person alerting them to it & providing evidence of it, just like the person who calls Police after seeing somebody running a key along the side of a neighbours car on his security camera.

You should have used stabbing someone for dramatic effect. There is little value in the country being populated by camera wielding idiots reporting every single minor infraction that they perceive to have happened. We are already subject to some major surveillance by CCTV which can be used when / if something worthwhile happens, but having people running around acting as they are starting to would make for a draconian society b

It doesn't require dramatic effect. It's a common sense solution. In all aspects of Policing the public are the Police's eyes & ears.
Local communities need to help local Police in dealing with their own problems & that goes for the driving community too.

[Driver101]

vonhosen said:

None of that alters the poor driving in the video, the sort of driving we should be addressing.
The Police need the publics help in providing evidence of offending in all aspects of offending (people tend to hide there behavioural traits in the presence of Police or there aren't enough around to catch them redhanded), it's not restricted to terrorism, burglary etc.

It is poor driving and nobody is arguing against that. The person either made a mistake, an error of judgement, or was in a duel with the OP and was needing to win it. It wasn't safe, but nor was it as dangerous as the OP is painting. It's hard to tell, but it doesn't look as if the Bentley was that close to the RR. It wasn't that near a miss, just a poor bit of driving.

I'm sure we've all been occasionally caught out not knowing where we are going and made a reasonably rash decision. This could have been the case for the Bentley driver and he still could have had the awareness to see he could carry out the very late exit without causing an accident. That's not me saying I think it's acceptable, I just don't think it merits getting called into the police about. I'm sure the guy will know he made a mistake himself, or realises he was driving like a prat when his red mist also goes.

The OP himself braked and changed lane very late. He joined the inside lane to exit with not much more than 50 yards to go. That's not good driving to begin with. There has to be a reason why he was so rash with his exit and end up right on the arse of the Lexus.

He then follows far too close to the Lexus and that's dangerous. Adding to that the Lexus is that big his visibility is obscured. That's dangerous driving too.

Like he said the red mist had already descended. He's then chased after the Bentley for an incident that should have had nothing to do with him. He's started to accelerate to catch up, then the RR has suddenly changed lane.

Then the OP has to change lane again at the roundabout as he has gone out of his way to get to the Bentley.

Yes the Bentley driver has done wrong, but the OP's driving isn't exactly exemplary. None of the two ended up in accidents, but on another day both could have come to more. They didn't, so draw the line and move on from it.

We can lecture the Bentley driver for his rash move, but the OP isn't that much better.