Dashcam footage and dangerous driving
Discussion
vonhosen said:
If you give it to them, they'll prioritise what they can deal with & they'll leave the rubbish. How long do you think it takes them to look at that video & decide whether it's worth looking deeper into?
There is tens of thousands of videos on YouTube with people wanting to make an issue of other people's driving. I'd guess there is more than enough hours of footage to cause a police department to collapse.
Then if you did prosecute every offence that was captured on a dash cam, the courts would be overrun and people would be complaining that drivers were being ripped off.
Once everyone has a dash cam, all the other dash cam users will have lost their licenses with the other dash cam drivers grassing on them first.
How can you proritise and decide what is rubbish if you haven't watched the video and heard the person's complaint?
Driver101 said:
vonhosen said:
If you give it to them, they'll prioritise what they can deal with & they'll leave the rubbish. How long do you think it takes them to look at that video & decide whether it's worth looking deeper into?
There is tens of thousands of videos on YouTube with people wanting to make an issue of other people's driving. I'd guess there is more than enough hours of footage to cause a police department to collapse.
Then if you did prosecute every offence that was captured on a dash cam, the courts would be overrun and people would be complaining that drivers were being ripped off.
Once everyone has a dash cam, all the other dash cam users will have lost their licenses with the other dash cam drivers grassing on them first.
How can you proritise and decide what is rubbish if you haven't watched the video and heard the person's complaint?
If they can't manage it they'll let him know.
They don't prosecute every offender now, they choose what it's appropriate to.
It's no skin off his nose to give them the choice of what to do about it.
He'll have done his bit, let them decide what they want to do with it, at least they had the opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 00:11
vonhosen said:
Why is it up to you to dissuade him?
If they can't manage it they'll let him know.
They don't prosecute every offender now, they choose what it's appropriate to.
It's no skin off his nose to give them the choice of what to do about it.
He'll have done his bit, let them decide what they want to do with it, at least they had the opportunity.
If I felt strongly enough about something that I felt the need to take it to the police, I'd be very unhappy if they didn't deal with it seriously. If they can't manage it they'll let him know.
They don't prosecute every offender now, they choose what it's appropriate to.
It's no skin off his nose to give them the choice of what to do about it.
He'll have done his bit, let them decide what they want to do with it, at least they had the opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 00:11
As you'll see with most of the Dash Cam videos, most people do feel strongly about their videos and most are trivial.
If we're back to the OPs video, I'd want to see much more of that footage to see why the situation ended up like it did. The video seems to start at quite a convenient point and there is some suggestion that something may have happened before. If you read the thread from start to finish the OP has been somewhat selective, changed his view and hasn't exactly driven well himself.
Both cars arrived at the same time and the OP also had to squeeze in with 50 yards to go. He was also tailgating the Lexus which was also dangerous.
Would I walk into a police station and complain about the Bentley's exit, no I wouldn't. It was a poor exit but I don't think it was that close to anything more.
I'd be even less inclined to take the video in when my driving was far from perfect.
As they always say, there is two sides to every story. The OP admitted he had seen red mist, and what we've seen on that video doesn't show enough to justify that.
I've got a video somewhere of a very obviously pissed guy weaving all over the road, clipping the kerb, being flashed by oncoming traffic for drifting into their side of the road. He'd been fishing on the opposite side of the river to my mate, who said he saw many cans of beer going down. Thought about reporting it to Plod, but realistically if they don't catch him actually driving pissed, nothing is likely to happen.
Driver101 said:
As they always say, there is two sides to every story. The OP admitted he had seen red mist, and what we've seen on that video doesn't show enough to justify that.
Crossing hatchings on an exit is enough to justify red mist for me. As I said, his previous muppetry didn't bother me. The 3 minutes prior to the incident (including my undertake and some muppet on the roundabout fwiw) http://youtu.be/879BkCt-4dc. BTW, I love how stressed my wife gets about s
t driving 
(might take a minute or two for yt to process)
fulgurex said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
Get your dash cam & through it in the bin. st happens daily.
As a none native English speaker I don't understand this comment. Through it in the bin? What are you trying to say?t happens daily.I blame him, his teachers and his parents.
R8VXF said:
Driver101 said:
As they always say, there is two sides to every story. The OP admitted he had seen red mist, and what we've seen on that video doesn't show enough to justify that.
Crossing hatchings on an exit is enough to justify red mist for me. As I said, his previous muppetry didn't bother me. The 3 minutes prior to the incident (including my undertake and some muppet on the roundabout fwiw) http://youtu.be/879BkCt-4dc. BTW, I love how stressed my wife gets about st driving (might take a minute or two for yt to process)
You and your wife need to have a real look at yourselves. The attitudes and driving both need addressed.
Speeding, tailgating, undertaking, you also went from the outside lane across 3 lanes to exit at the previous junction.
The all over the tail aggressively pushing the Mercedes driver during a filter lane.
I bet the Bentley driver was watching you from behind thinking you were an idiot and that's why he joined in your game.
The red mist was long there before the Bentley driver was on the scene.
It's amazing for all the dash cam videos I've seen, the vast majority all seem to be owned by the same type of drivers. You are another one.
No wonder you removed the sound from the previous clip.
It's you that needs taking off the road. You and your wife sound like some pair.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 4th March 06:25
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 4th March 06:28
Driver101 said:
vonhosen said:
Why is it up to you to dissuade him?
If they can't manage it they'll let him know.
They don't prosecute every offender now, they choose what it's appropriate to.
It's no skin off his nose to give them the choice of what to do about it.
He'll have done his bit, let them decide what they want to do with it, at least they had the opportunity.
If I felt strongly enough about something that I felt the need to take it to the police, I'd be very unhappy if they didn't deal with it seriously. If they can't manage it they'll let him know.
They don't prosecute every offender now, they choose what it's appropriate to.
It's no skin off his nose to give them the choice of what to do about it.
He'll have done his bit, let them decide what they want to do with it, at least they had the opportunity.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 00:11
As you'll see with most of the Dash Cam videos, most people do feel strongly about their videos and most are trivial.
If we're back to the OPs video, I'd want to see much more of that footage to see why the situation ended up like it did. The video seems to start at quite a convenient point and there is some suggestion that something may have happened before. If you read the thread from start to finish the OP has been somewhat selective, changed his view and hasn't exactly driven well himself.
Both cars arrived at the same time and the OP also had to squeeze in with 50 yards to go. He was also tailgating the Lexus which was also dangerous.
Would I walk into a police station and complain about the Bentley's exit, no I wouldn't. It was a poor exit but I don't think it was that close to anything more.
I'd be even less inclined to take the video in when my driving was far from perfect.
As they always say, there is two sides to every story. The OP admitted he had seen red mist, and what we've seen on that video doesn't show enough to justify that.
No one is telling you to report it & it's fair enough for you to say you wouldn't report it. But you then go on the attack with somebody else who is minded to report it, you appear to have taken it personally (when the incident wasn't anything to do with you) & you've gone beyond your opinion of it (which of course is valid as your opinion). Let others do as they wish with regard to it because it's how they feel about it, not how you do.
The Police can then decide with what they have what is the best course of action in respect of it.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 06:53
vonhosen said:
Whatever happened before it doesn't excuse it. From what we see in the video it was not the driver's only option, the driver wasn't forced to do it, the driver chose to do it.
No one is telling you to report it & it's fair enough for you to say you wouldn't report it. But you then go on the attack with somebody else who is minded to report it, you appear to have taken it personally (when the incident wasn't anything to do with you) & you've gone beyond your opinion of it (which of course is valid as your opinion). Let others do as they wish with regard to it because it's how they feel about it, not how you do.
The Police can then decide with what they have what is the best course of action in respect of it.
I've not said it excuses the Bentley driver's actions. I never said he was forced to do it. Seems to me he seen a very aggressively driven Vauxhall chopping and changing lanes, looking in a real hurry trying to bully other drivers on the road and he joined in. No one is telling you to report it & it's fair enough for you to say you wouldn't report it. But you then go on the attack with somebody else who is minded to report it, you appear to have taken it personally (when the incident wasn't anything to do with you) & you've gone beyond your opinion of it (which of course is valid as your opinion). Let others do as they wish with regard to it because it's how they feel about it, not how you do.
The Police can then decide with what they have what is the best course of action in respect of it.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 06:53
It would be stupid to go in and make a complaint about the Bentley driver when there is video evidence of the OP behaving like an idiot at the same time.
I haven't taken it personally. He's posted it on a website and asked for opinions. I've had my say and have responded a lot to your defensive nature. Even after watching the above video you are still makes excuses and are turning a blind eye to half the story. That's not exactly a balanced view.
A few of us predicted correctly there was much more to this story. This video proves that.
The Bentley driver behaved badly. So did the OP. Two wrong don't make a right.
I'm confused why you feel a need to defend against the obvious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=879BkCt-4dc&fe...
Not read the whole thread - but the driver of the blue car drives like a pleb. The bentley is another one.
Not read the whole thread - but the driver of the blue car drives like a pleb. The bentley is another one.
Edited by Some Gump on Wednesday 4th March 08:19
When I first read the thread but before seeing the video I was expecting something a lot worse (granted it was a poor manoeuvre). But once having viewed it I couldn't help but wonder whether you would have had the same reaction in terms of posting if it hadnt been a Bentley, and was say an 'ordinary' car.
Having now just watched the build up video, I can only imagine how your wife reacted to seeing the Bentley's manoeuvre. She must have gone apocalyptic based on her reaction to the Mercedes driver who annoyed her for indicating too long. And for then driving up the slip road without doing anything obviously wrong given the right lane was disappearing.
Your replies on here are reasonable and well balanced,but it seems that whilst in the car you didn't want anything getting in front of you and slowing you down and had you/your wife not been in that mindset I'd guess this thread would never have started.
Having now just watched the build up video, I can only imagine how your wife reacted to seeing the Bentley's manoeuvre. She must have gone apocalyptic based on her reaction to the Mercedes driver who annoyed her for indicating too long. And for then driving up the slip road without doing anything obviously wrong given the right lane was disappearing.
Your replies on here are reasonable and well balanced,but it seems that whilst in the car you didn't want anything getting in front of you and slowing you down and had you/your wife not been in that mindset I'd guess this thread would never have started.
vonhosen said:
Even for you that is a truly idiotic post. We are discussing driving standards and the use of cameras on a daily basis and you justify it by posting a article about probably the most shocking murder committed on British streets ever. Ridiculous.
Devil2575 said:
So you think that the best way is for people to ignore antisocial and illegal behaviour because it is none of their business?
Does this include not getting involved if the Police ask you if you witnessed a crime? Not stepping into stop some kids smashing up a bus stop?
Where do you draw the line? Only when crimes impact directly on you?
I draw the line where my moral compass directs me to draw it, just as you draw the line where your moral compass directs you to draw it. Because neither of us are psychopaths, on the big stuff we will generally agree where to draw the line. Because both of us are individuals, on the small stuff we will often disagree where to draw it.Does this include not getting involved if the Police ask you if you witnessed a crime? Not stepping into stop some kids smashing up a bus stop?
Where do you draw the line? Only when crimes impact directly on you?
Devil2575 said:
The reality is that the behaviour you walk past is the behaviour you accept.
I agree. That's why I have great difficulty just walking past when I see people advocating widespread petty tale-telling. That is not a behaviour I want to accept at all. You need to be very careful or that becomes anti-social itself.Cudd Wudd said:
When I first read the thread but before seeing the video I was expecting something a lot worse (granted it was a poor manoeuvre). But once having viewed it I couldn't help but wonder whether you would have had the same reaction in terms of posting if it hadnt been a Bentley, and was say an 'ordinary' car.
Having now just watched the build up video, I can only imagine how your wife reacted to seeing the Bentley's manoeuvre. She must have gone apocalyptic based on her reaction to the Mercedes driver who annoyed her for indicating too long. And for then driving up the slip road without doing anything obviously wrong given the right lane was disappearing.
Your replies on here are reasonable and well balanced,but it seems that whilst in the car you didn't want anything getting in front of you and slowing you down and had you/your wife not been in that mindset I'd guess this thread would never have started.
If the MB driver had either stayed in the right hand lane all the way up or stayed in the left lane after cutting across whatever car was in the left lane then I probably wouldn't have got so annoyed with him. People who lane block do piss me off.Having now just watched the build up video, I can only imagine how your wife reacted to seeing the Bentley's manoeuvre. She must have gone apocalyptic based on her reaction to the Mercedes driver who annoyed her for indicating too long. And for then driving up the slip road without doing anything obviously wrong given the right lane was disappearing.
Your replies on here are reasonable and well balanced,but it seems that whilst in the car you didn't want anything getting in front of you and slowing you down and had you/your wife not been in that mindset I'd guess this thread would never have started.
To be fair, I think it all started with the first car on the M25 being a cock. He had been slowing down to 65 then speeding up then slowing down etc and I admit that I probably shouldn't have undertaken him but just wanted the driver behind me where he could cause me anymore issues. I think that was about the third time he had passed a large space in lane 3 and not pulled left.
R8VXF said:
f the MB driver had either stayed in the right hand lane all the way up or stayed in the left lane after cutting across whatever car was in the left lane then I probably wouldn't have got so annoyed with him. People who lane block do piss me off.
To be fair, I think it all started with the first car on the M25 being a cock. He had been slowing down to 65 then speeding up then slowing down etc and I admit that I probably shouldn't have undertaken him but just wanted the driver behind me where he could cause me anymore issues. I think that was about the third time he had passed a large space in lane 3 and not pulled left.
There you have it. The Bentley driver decided you'd messed with his masculinity by doing what you did and promptly took all necessary steps to recapture it. To be fair, I think it all started with the first car on the M25 being a cock. He had been slowing down to 65 then speeding up then slowing down etc and I admit that I probably shouldn't have undertaken him but just wanted the driver behind me where he could cause me anymore issues. I think that was about the third time he had passed a large space in lane 3 and not pulled left.
You then decided your masculinity had been messed with and shot off after him. When you didn't get back in front of him the only option was to "grass" him.
LoonR1 said:
There you have it. The Bentley driver decided you'd messed with his masculinity by doing what you did and promptly took all necessary steps to recapture it.
You then decided your masculinity had been messed with and shot off after him. When you didn't get back in front of him the only option was to "grass" him.
You are being a weirdo again...You then decided your masculinity had been messed with and shot off after him. When you didn't get back in front of him the only option was to "grass" him.
So I have a dashcam, just sits there under my rear view mirror. I witness crap all day long, even people cutting me up etc but on the window it stays. I have only used it on 3 occasions.
2 were after an accident. Typically they get out, look at damage and then start the blame game. I stand there waiting for them to finish, ask them to look at my camera and all of a sudden then apologize, cant be helpful enough etc!!!!
The other time was when I had a knock on the door from Plod. In they came and charged me with dangerous driving and breach of the peace aka road rage. Showed them the video, dangerous driving was dropped, went to court on breach of the peace charge, and that was dropped as while my camera didn't show me as i was behind the car, it did pick me up and clearly picked up the other driver shouting and swearing, not me!
I now never go anywhere without one, but, I would only ever use it for stuff that directly affected me. Reporting crap to the police is not my thing and hey, i am not a perfect driver either!
2 were after an accident. Typically they get out, look at damage and then start the blame game. I stand there waiting for them to finish, ask them to look at my camera and all of a sudden then apologize, cant be helpful enough etc!!!!
The other time was when I had a knock on the door from Plod. In they came and charged me with dangerous driving and breach of the peace aka road rage. Showed them the video, dangerous driving was dropped, went to court on breach of the peace charge, and that was dropped as while my camera didn't show me as i was behind the car, it did pick me up and clearly picked up the other driver shouting and swearing, not me!
I now never go anywhere without one, but, I would only ever use it for stuff that directly affected me. Reporting crap to the police is not my thing and hey, i am not a perfect driver either!
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