Dashcam footage and dangerous driving
Discussion
craig511 said:
So I have a dashcam, just sits there under my rear view mirror. I witness crap all day long, even people cutting me up etc but on the window it stays. I have only used it on 3 occasions.
2 were after an accident. Typically they get out, look at damage and then start the blame game. I stand there waiting for them to finish, ask them to look at my camera and all of a sudden then apologize, cant be helpful enough etc!!!!
The other time was when I had a knock on the door from Plod. In they came and charged me with dangerous driving and breach of the peace aka road rage. Showed them the video, dangerous driving was dropped, went to court on breach of the peace charge, and that was dropped as while my camera didn't show me as i was behind the car, it did pick me up and clearly picked up the other driver shouting and swearing, not me!
I now never go anywhere without one, but, I would only ever use it for stuff that directly affected me. Reporting crap to the police is not my thing and hey, i am not a perfect driver either!
What if it picked up a crime being committed against someone else? Would you get involved then?2 were after an accident. Typically they get out, look at damage and then start the blame game. I stand there waiting for them to finish, ask them to look at my camera and all of a sudden then apologize, cant be helpful enough etc!!!!
The other time was when I had a knock on the door from Plod. In they came and charged me with dangerous driving and breach of the peace aka road rage. Showed them the video, dangerous driving was dropped, went to court on breach of the peace charge, and that was dropped as while my camera didn't show me as i was behind the car, it did pick me up and clearly picked up the other driver shouting and swearing, not me!
I now never go anywhere without one, but, I would only ever use it for stuff that directly affected me. Reporting crap to the police is not my thing and hey, i am not a perfect driver either!
If you saw someone damage anonther car in a car park but then just drive off would you get involved?
otolith said:
I've got a video somewhere of a very obviously pissed guy weaving all over the road, clipping the kerb, being flashed by oncoming traffic for drifting into their side of the road. He'd been fishing on the opposite side of the river to my mate, who said he saw many cans of beer going down. Thought about reporting it to Plod, but realistically if they don't catch him actually driving pissed, nothing is likely to happen.
I think this is precisely the kind of thing that people should report.mmm.., I would honestly have to say yes to that actually! I think i would report crimes per se, but someone cutting me up, lane hogging etc just isn't worth it! A crime is a deliberate act eg driving off, hitting a car by accident and dealing with it isn't and is part of life.
But yes, I would report a crime such as that with or without a dashcam!
But yes, I would report a crime such as that with or without a dashcam!
R8VXF said:
Probably not but just trying, very badly it appears, to get across my point about how severe I view crossing those hatchings is.
Fair enough. If you view it as so severe then why wouldn't you report it? The police would take their own view as to how severe it is of course. People who don't view it as so severe might choose not to report it.
SK425 said:
R8VXF said:
Probably not but just trying, very badly it appears, to get across my point about how severe I view crossing those hatchings is.
Fair enough. If you view it as so severe then why wouldn't you report it? The police would take their own view as to how severe it is of course. People who don't view it as so severe might choose not to report it.I have been taking a good look at my driving recently and trying to improve. It appears I have a way to go in that regard.
I think I need to look at getting on a track fairly regularly so I don't use the road network as a racetrack
Driver101 said:
Most people don't get involved with matters that don't concern them in real life.
Do you carry a camera around on the street to catch dangerous situations, violent behaviour and criminal offences to highlight to the police?
Other than your dash cam, what do you do in real life to reduce the chances of people having accidents?
I don't own a dash cam. But I would get involved in a real life situation. I have called the police in the past when I thought someone's house was being broken into.Do you carry a camera around on the street to catch dangerous situations, violent behaviour and criminal offences to highlight to the police?
Other than your dash cam, what do you do in real life to reduce the chances of people having accidents?
Driver101 said:
All these morals that you are suggesting people with dash cams display isn't how they behave in real life. It's a totally different set of circumstances.
I'm suggesting that people should behave like this is real life. I'm suggesting that this is how we get a better society.Driver101 said:
Most people won't say something on the street as they are too scared. They'll walk past and leave a person in danger.
Which they shouldn't, because one day it might be them and they'd want someone to help then.Driver101 said:
However given them a dash cam and a car to hide in, suddenly they are the big man they weren't in the real world.
It's not about being the big man, it's about feeling safe. People should intervene but being afraid is a real emotion that can be hard to overcome. If you are in a situation where you don't feel afraid then why should you not report things? If someone caught an assault on their dashcam would you say they shouldn't get involved? None of their business and besides had they not been in their car they wouldn't have dared get involved?Driver101 said:
What you see is people making big deals about nothing incidents. What is also common is they ignore their own mistakes and issues.
Too much double standards on show.
craig511 said:
mmm.., I would honestly have to say yes to that actually! I think i would report crimes per se, but someone cutting me up, lane hogging etc just isn't worth it! A crime is a deliberate act eg driving off, hitting a car by accident and dealing with it isn't and is part of life.
But yes, I would report a crime such as that with or without a dashcam!
I wouldn't report silly mistakes and lane hogging either. But yes, I would report a crime such as that with or without a dashcam!
Driver101 said:
vonhosen said:
Whatever happened before it doesn't excuse it. From what we see in the video it was not the driver's only option, the driver wasn't forced to do it, the driver chose to do it.
No one is telling you to report it & it's fair enough for you to say you wouldn't report it. But you then go on the attack with somebody else who is minded to report it, you appear to have taken it personally (when the incident wasn't anything to do with you) & you've gone beyond your opinion of it (which of course is valid as your opinion). Let others do as they wish with regard to it because it's how they feel about it, not how you do.
The Police can then decide with what they have what is the best course of action in respect of it.
I've not said it excuses the Bentley driver's actions. I never said he was forced to do it. Seems to me he seen a very aggressively driven Vauxhall chopping and changing lanes, looking in a real hurry trying to bully other drivers on the road and he joined in. No one is telling you to report it & it's fair enough for you to say you wouldn't report it. But you then go on the attack with somebody else who is minded to report it, you appear to have taken it personally (when the incident wasn't anything to do with you) & you've gone beyond your opinion of it (which of course is valid as your opinion). Let others do as they wish with regard to it because it's how they feel about it, not how you do.
The Police can then decide with what they have what is the best course of action in respect of it.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 06:53
It would be stupid to go in and make a complaint about the Bentley driver when there is video evidence of the OP behaving like an idiot at the same time.
I haven't taken it personally. He's posted it on a website and asked for opinions. I've had my say and have responded a lot to your defensive nature. Even after watching the above video you are still makes excuses and are turning a blind eye to half the story. That's not exactly a balanced view.
A few of us predicted correctly there was much more to this story. This video proves that.
The Bentley driver behaved badly. So did the OP. Two wrong don't make a right.
I'm confused why you feel a need to defend against the obvious.
You'll have to show me what I've defended in my posts, other than somebody filming an incidents right & freedom of choice to take it to the Police.
You are taking it personally in that you're stating what other people should do, rather than just stating what you'd do in the circumstances.
You appear critical of anybody who would go to the Police unless it was for an incident that you decree is worthy of them going to the Police for, as if you are the sole arbiter of what's worthy or not.
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 16:41
LoonR1 said:
vonhosen said:
Even for you that is a truly idiotic post. We are discussing driving standards and the use of cameras on a daily basis and you justify it by posting a article about probably the most shocking murder committed on British streets ever. Ridiculous.
Keep up!!
vonhosen said:
What do you think I'm defending?
You'll have to show me what I've defended in my posts, other than somebody filming an incidents right & freedom of choice to take it to the Police.
You are taking it personally in that you're stating what other people should do, rather than just stating what you'd do in the circumstances.
You appear critical of anybody who would go to the Police unless it was for an incident that you decree is worthy of them going to the Police for.
You appear to keep reading things I'm not saying. You also appear to keep seeing things I am not feeling. You'll have to show me what I've defended in my posts, other than somebody filming an incidents right & freedom of choice to take it to the Police.
You are taking it personally in that you're stating what other people should do, rather than just stating what you'd do in the circumstances.
You appear critical of anybody who would go to the Police unless it was for an incident that you decree is worthy of them going to the Police for.
He is fully entitled to go the police if he wishes.
Like I've said, it's complete double standard when you run in to complain about others when your behavior is little better.
You may think running to the police is justified because someone crossed hatched lines. I think in these circumstances is it petty, mainly when you step back and look at the big picture.
This thread has got tedious now.
vonhosen said:
It was in reply to post suggesting people don't use their phones to record evidence of other offences (which it obviously shows to be a false claim).
Keep up!!
I never said people didn't use them. You said people were increasingly using them. I said I disagreed. Keep up!!
Nowhere did I say people didn't use them. So please again stop putting words into my mouth and making stuff up.
My claim wasn't false, it was my opinion.
You provided one incident, I didn't even bother clicking on the link, to prove otherwise.
You're a very frustrating person to have a discussion with.
Driver101 said:
vonhosen said:
What do you think I'm defending?
You'll have to show me what I've defended in my posts, other than somebody filming an incidents right & freedom of choice to take it to the Police.
You are taking it personally in that you're stating what other people should do, rather than just stating what you'd do in the circumstances.
You appear critical of anybody who would go to the Police unless it was for an incident that you decree is worthy of them going to the Police for.
You appear to keep reading things I'm not saying. You also appear to keep seeing things I am not feeling. You'll have to show me what I've defended in my posts, other than somebody filming an incidents right & freedom of choice to take it to the Police.
You are taking it personally in that you're stating what other people should do, rather than just stating what you'd do in the circumstances.
You appear critical of anybody who would go to the Police unless it was for an incident that you decree is worthy of them going to the Police for.
He is fully entitled to go the police if he wishes.
Like I've said, it's complete double standard when you run in to complain about others when your behavior is little better.
You may think running to the police is justified because someone crossed hatched lines. I think in these circumstances is it petty, mainly when you step back and look at the big picture.
This thread has got tedious now.
There is sufficient to substantiate an offence & it's totally up to him if he wants to make the Police aware of it & provide them with evidence of it (or not).
Driver101 said:
vonhosen said:
It was in reply to post suggesting people don't use their phones to record evidence of other offences (which it obviously shows to be a false claim).
Keep up!!
I never said people didn't use them. You said people were increasingly using them. I said I disagreed. Keep up!!
Nowhere did I say people didn't use them. So please again stop putting words into my mouth and making stuff up.
My claim wasn't false, it was my opinion.
You provided one incident, I didn't even bother clicking on the link, to prove otherwise.
You're a very frustrating person to have a discussion with.
It's a natural consequence with the proliferation of smartphones that more incidents get recorded.
So I the last two days and 28 miles I've recorded: yesterday I idiot not even looking right to join a large roundabout and nearly t-boning me, today I followed a car drifting in and out of a cycle lane at 23 mph while the driver was looking at his phone, this went on for about 3 miles, he was too busy to notice the lights had changed green so I reminded him to put his phone down get a move on with 10 seconds blast of the horn, but he still was looking down at it when I pulled along side him to turn left at a roundabout about half a mile later. This afternoon another special person who did not like the fact the speed limit has dropped from 40 to 30 and had not only failed to notice the number of signs stating this, plus a sticker on every lamppost, thought it a good idea to overtake the car in front with out indicating and roaring of at about 45mph just as someone has started pulling of their drive. These are not minor 'Oh sorry I got it wrong or I cut it a bit fine' incidents, these are the lead up to very serious avoidable accidents, avoided by others judgment and good luck. Never in the 600k miles I've driven over the years have I seen such day to day poor driving then in the last few years since the traffic police was cut back, when was the last time you noticed a car stopped by the police? They have not got the resources and must hope if they go to a fatal a bit of dashcam footage is available, it must be soul destroying work in that part of policing now.
The PH advice seems to be ignore it & move on.....or become one of 'them'.
Other's driving standards are none of your business.
The Police view appears different however
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534042/Se...
Other's driving standards are none of your business.
The Police view appears different however
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534042/Se...
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 17:55
vonhosen said:
The PH advice seems to be ignore it & move on.....or become one of 'them'.
Other's driving standards are none of your business.
The Police view appears different however
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534042/Se...
Are you sure that's the Police's view? Where does it say that other than the headline?Other's driving standards are none of your business.
The Police view appears different however
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534042/Se...
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 17:55
Nowhere can I see anything about the Police appealing for you to send them your videos.
Firstly you've used The Daily Mail, not exactly the best place for factual stories.
Secondly, the only quote from the Police is
'Increasing use is being made by the public of digital cameras to record evidence of offences which can be used by the police service to support prosecutions.'
Where does he ask for your videos?
The last part is an independent company asking you to forward your videos to them, naming their CEO and website address.
Are you sure it isn't really just an advert for a private company written in a rubbish paper that you've jumped to conclusions over again?
Do you also notice the examples given are far more extreme than crossing hatched lines?
Driver101 said:
vonhosen said:
The PH advice seems to be ignore it & move on.....or become one of 'them'.
Other's driving standards are none of your business.
The Police view appears different however
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534042/Se...
Are you sure that's the Police's view? Where does it say that other than the headline?Other's driving standards are none of your business.
The Police view appears different however
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534042/Se...
Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 4th March 17:55
Nowhere can I see anything about the Police appealing for you to send them your videos.
Firstly you've used The Daily Mail, not exactly the best place for factual stories.
Secondly, the only quote from the Police is
'Increasing use is being made by the public of digital cameras to record evidence of offences which can be used by the police service to support prosecutions.'
Where does he ask for your videos?
The last part is an independent company asking you to forward your videos to them, naming their CEO and website address.
Are you sure it isn't really just an advert for a private company written in a rubbish paper that you've jumped to conclusions over again?
Do you also notice the examples given are far more extreme than crossing hatched lines?
2) The Police have online forms for reporting bad driving incidents (you can do it with & without video) & claim they are clamping down on it.
They'll often ask if you have video & even if they don't they ask you specifically for video they'll ask what evidence you can provide (of which of course video is great)
https://my.surrey.police.uk/splonlinereportingweb/...
http://www.operationcrackdown.org
They are positively encouraging people to report it.
vonhosen said:
1) The Daily mail aren't the only paper running the stories.
2) The Police have online forms for reporting bad driving incidents (you can do it with & without video) & claim they are clamping down on it.
They'll often ask if you have video & even if they don't they ask you specifically for video they'll ask what evidence you can provide (of which of course video is great)
https://my.surrey.police.uk/splonlinereportingweb/...
http://www.operationcrackdown.org
They are positively encouraging people to report it.
What does that have to do with Dash Cams and minor traffic offences?2) The Police have online forms for reporting bad driving incidents (you can do it with & without video) & claim they are clamping down on it.
They'll often ask if you have video & even if they don't they ask you specifically for video they'll ask what evidence you can provide (of which of course video is great)
https://my.surrey.police.uk/splonlinereportingweb/...
http://www.operationcrackdown.org
They are positively encouraging people to report it.
They are giving you the ability to report abandoned cars and anti-social driving. The other is their non-emergency contact page for incidents.
Are you now saying that minor road offences are now the same as anti-social driving?
The actual link to ask the Police about traffic or road safety no longer works. Looks like they are very interested and active, not.
You are going to some lengths to invent things to back up your opinion. You can see things that aren't there, you keep making things up and saying things I haven't said, you avoid questions you don't want to answer, you'll ask daft questions in reverse.
You somehow have only managed to view things from a very one sided viewpoint.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 4th March 20:39
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 4th March 20:42
Driver101 said:
vonhosen said:
1) The Daily mail aren't the only paper running the stories.
2) The Police have online forms for reporting bad driving incidents (you can do it with & without video) & claim they are clamping down on it.
They'll often ask if you have video & even if they don't they ask you specifically for video they'll ask what evidence you can provide (of which of course video is great)
https://my.surrey.police.uk/splonlinereportingweb/...
http://www.operationcrackdown.org
They are positively encouraging people to report it.
What does that have to do with Dash Cams and minor traffic offences?2) The Police have online forms for reporting bad driving incidents (you can do it with & without video) & claim they are clamping down on it.
They'll often ask if you have video & even if they don't they ask you specifically for video they'll ask what evidence you can provide (of which of course video is great)
https://my.surrey.police.uk/splonlinereportingweb/...
http://www.operationcrackdown.org
They are positively encouraging people to report it.
They are giving you the ability to report abandoned cars and anti-social driving. The other is their non-emergency contact page for incidents.
Are you now saying that minor road offences are now the same as anti-social driving?
You are going to some lengths to invent things to back up your opinion. You can see things that aren't there, you keep making things up and saying things I haven't said, you avoid questions you don't want to answer, you'll ask daft questions in reverse.
You somehow have only managed to view things from a very one sided viewpoint.
The surrey page is a generic one for reporting all incidents including traffic.
You click on the link to report traffic incidents on this link & it takes you there
https://my.surrey.police.uk/reportonline/mDriveSma...
The Sussex one is exactly for reporting minor traffic offences.
Look here
https://webcontact.sussex.police.uk/ASDPRS/
https://webcontact.sussex.police.uk/ASDPRS/mainfor...
And here for examples
http://dashboard.sussexsrp.org.uk/opcrackdown/map/
Anti social driving covers a multitude of things including the type of driving in the video by the Bentley.
You only need to look at the examples of anti social driving in the examples, it covers a wide gamut of offences.
Driver101 said:
Did you really just post that?
You and your wife need to have a real look at yourselves. The attitudes and driving both need addressed.
Speeding, tailgating, undertaking, you also went from the outside lane across 3 lanes to exit at the previous junction.
The all over the tail aggressively pushing the Mercedes driver during a filter lane.
I bet the Bentley driver was watching you from behind thinking you were an idiot and that's why he joined in your game.
The red mist was long there before the Bentley driver was on the scene.
It's amazing for all the dash cam videos I've seen, the vast majority all seem to be owned by the same type of drivers. You are another one.
No wonder you removed the sound from the previous clip.
It's you that needs taking off the road. You and your wife sound like some pair.
Again vid no worky. You and your wife need to have a real look at yourselves. The attitudes and driving both need addressed.
Speeding, tailgating, undertaking, you also went from the outside lane across 3 lanes to exit at the previous junction.
The all over the tail aggressively pushing the Mercedes driver during a filter lane.
I bet the Bentley driver was watching you from behind thinking you were an idiot and that's why he joined in your game.
The red mist was long there before the Bentley driver was on the scene.
It's amazing for all the dash cam videos I've seen, the vast majority all seem to be owned by the same type of drivers. You are another one.
No wonder you removed the sound from the previous clip.
It's you that needs taking off the road. You and your wife sound like some pair.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 4th March 06:25
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 4th March 06:28
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