'No less than' 76 in a 50

[blindswelledrat]

R8Steve said:

Unfortunately due to the fear of having someone with pork911’s mentality as a judge in court and the potential to get more than 3 points due to the alleged speed I believe it’s too much risk>reward in this case. I will pay the FPN and take the points. I currently have a clean licence so it’s not the end of the world.

I don't blame you. I would definitely advise doing that for the sheer ease. At the time I had 6 points and I was so angry at their attitude that I just could not let it go.
I also made a formal complaint against them after the court case and the response from the Met was incredible.

[JustinP1]

blindswelledrat said:

It didn't help in my case that the officers were complete tossers and actually constructed lies to back their story up. Anyone who will read this will probably think that sentence is bks and I must have 'failed the attitude test' or similar, but the terrifying thing is that it's true and you feel helpless because you know you wont be believed. The reality is that every profession has their bad eggs.

My experience at 25 years old in a nice car, was similar. I was waiting in the centre of a traffic lighted crossroads, turning right. To get to the 'waiting point' you had to go 15m past the lights, which I did.

I ended up waiting so long for a gap in the traffic, the lights began to change. When I entered the road, I saw a panda car do a u-turn to catch me up.

I knew what was coming... but was very polite. They accused me of running the red light. I told them that I knew the light was green, because I saw it was, and was still green for a good ten seconds after I went through it.

It then dawned on them that they'd seen me exit the crossroads, but not enter it, and what I was saying was correct.

However, I was informed that it would be dealt with by 3 points and a £60 fine. I protested politely, in astonishment, and asked them if they'd actually seen me enter the junction. The three of them looked at each other, realising I was innocent, but the lead officer simply said "The time to discuss this would be in court..."

When the statements came through, they were increasing levels of bullst, the worst alleging that they saw me run a red light, after their light had been green for four seconds, so jumping the lights by 7 seconds, causing other cars to swerve and perform emergency manoeuvres to avoid an accident.

I cross examined the three in court, and was found not guilty. However, I still do not think for one second they thought that was going to happen, or that I'd have the guts to take them up for a day in court.

99% of the time, they'd have got away with it, and the trainee in the back would have carried the practice on...

[softtop]

JustinP1 said:

My experience at 25 years old in a nice car, was similar. I was waiting in the centre of a traffic lighted crossroads, turning right. To get to the 'waiting point' you had to go 15m past the lights, which I did.

I ended up waiting so long for a gap in the traffic, the lights began to change. When I entered the road, I saw a panda car do a u-turn to catch me up.

I knew what was coming... but was very polite. They accused me of running the red light. I told them that I knew the light was green, because I saw it was, and was still green for a good ten seconds after I went through it.

It then dawned on them that they'd seen me exit the crossroads, but not enter it, and what I was saying was correct.

However, I was informed that it would be dealt with by 3 points and a £60 fine. I protested politely, in astonishment, and asked them if they'd actually seen me enter the junction. The three of them looked at each other, realising I was innocent, but the lead officer simply said "The time to discuss this would be in court..."

When the statements came through, they were increasing levels of bullst, the worst alleging that they saw me run a red light, after their light had been green for four seconds, so jumping the lights by 7 seconds, causing other cars to swerve and perform emergency manoeuvres to avoid an accident.

I cross examined the three in court, and was found not guilty. However, I still do not think for one second they thought that was going to happen, or that I'd have the guts to take them up for a day in court.

99% of the time, they'd have got away with it, and the trainee in the back would have carried the practice on...

that is an appalling story, why do they bother to push on, they could have left it there or maybe thought the story would get out they were making up 'facts' on the spur of the moment?

[JustinP1]

softtop said:

that is an appalling story, why do they bother to push on, they could have left it there or maybe thought the story would get out they were making up 'facts' on the spur of the moment?

Presumption, and pride.

What was unlucky for me was that there was a trainee riding in the back seat. I can quite foresee that the lead officer was showing the textbook stop, then after realising that he very well might have made a mistake, took the split second decision to press on, rather than lose face.

I don't think they made up facts at the spur of the moment as such, it was more in the statements that the 'facts' were put down to fit the conviction. There was stuff like 'As he exited the junction the brake lights did not illuminate.' and stuff like that, which was just fodder for cross-examination as you cannot of course see the brake lights of a car coming towards you! Thus, the implication was there that the statements were just constructed to convict.

It got worse when I cross examined on the fact that one of them had my name down as Justin, one as Jason and one as something totally different like Ian...

To cover up the list of mistakes, one of the officers even told a bare-faced lie to the court and said it was because I gave them repeated false names!

I think they learnt a lesson, as I do not think for one second with a CPS brief, and three police witnesses that they thought my version of events would be believed in preference to theirs.


I have to say that the resident BiB on this forum have been instrumental in confirming for me that those were just bad eggs, as on here they are without failure decent and honest.