Driving to MOT test centre with no MOT not direct route
Discussion
NiceCupOfTea said:
Well LoonR1 I speak as I find, and in my personal experience and that of most people who I have spoken to on the subject say that they are much less likely to "take a risk" on the small stuff.
I'm sure the powers that be would say "mission accomplished", but we are not talking about serial insurance evaders, or people driving like penises all the time, rather people driving a few extra miles to a booked MOT, or doing 85 on a clear motorway (the hoo-hah with new cameras on the M25 has noticeable slowed progress IME and led to a lot of panic breaking at gantries on the Kent section).
So, normally law abiding citizens get hit by the full force of the law for minor indiscretions while repeat offenders who know how to play the system seem to be able to get away with it. I still don't understand how there are so many untaxed uninsured cars on the road - surely ANPR should be able to pick them all off? It's a sad state of affairs IMHO.
Now it's the "full force of the law". You don't half like exaggeration. Jesus wept, an FPN is the "full force of the law", or being pulled for speeding and getting a few points and a small fine is the "full force of the law". If that's the case I'm off to rob a few banks, if all I'm going to get if caught is a small fine. . I'm sure the powers that be would say "mission accomplished", but we are not talking about serial insurance evaders, or people driving like penises all the time, rather people driving a few extra miles to a booked MOT, or doing 85 on a clear motorway (the hoo-hah with new cameras on the M25 has noticeable slowed progress IME and led to a lot of panic breaking at gantries on the Kent section).
So, normally law abiding citizens get hit by the full force of the law for minor indiscretions while repeat offenders who know how to play the system seem to be able to get away with it. I still don't understand how there are so many untaxed uninsured cars on the road - surely ANPR should be able to pick them all off? It's a sad state of affairs IMHO.
NiceCupOfTea said:
Well LoonR1 I speak as I find, and in my personal experience and that of most people who I have spoken to on the subject say that they are much less likely to "take a risk" on the small stuff.
I'm sure the powers that be would say "mission accomplished", but we are not talking about serial insurance evaders, or people driving like penises all the time, rather people driving a few extra miles to a booked MOT, or doing 85 on a clear motorway (the hoo-hah with new cameras on the M25 has noticeable slowed progress IME and led to a lot of panic breaking at gantries on the Kent section).
So, normally law abiding citizens get hit by the full force of the law for minor indiscretions while repeat offenders who know how to play the system seem to be able to get away with it. I still don't understand how there are so many untaxed uninsured cars on the road - surely ANPR should be able to pick them all off? It's a sad state of affairs IMHO.
The ANPR will eventually get the people without MOT or insurance,the speeders will eventually be caught but the people that drive an extra mile or so to have a pre booked MOT do not have anything to worry about as they are not breaking the law.I'm sure the powers that be would say "mission accomplished", but we are not talking about serial insurance evaders, or people driving like penises all the time, rather people driving a few extra miles to a booked MOT, or doing 85 on a clear motorway (the hoo-hah with new cameras on the M25 has noticeable slowed progress IME and led to a lot of panic breaking at gantries on the Kent section).
So, normally law abiding citizens get hit by the full force of the law for minor indiscretions while repeat offenders who know how to play the system seem to be able to get away with it. I still don't understand how there are so many untaxed uninsured cars on the road - surely ANPR should be able to pick them all off? It's a sad state of affairs IMHO.
Its not rocket science.
Mopar440 said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
in my personal experience and that of most people who I have spoken to on the subject
"Most people you have spoken to on the subject"? How many is "most people" Two or three? If you've spoken to more than that "on the subject" then you are one boring fella.
Think what you want, you can quite easily be having a chat with a mate over a pint and get into moaning about getting pinged for this or getting a fine for that. But thanks for the ad hom.
TooMany2cvs said:
carlove said:
Didn't think of a jerry can, will do that.
You're kidding me, right?carlove said:
I did think they could reject the test if low fuel, fuel gauge is resting on empty.
The MOT doesn't require a fuel gauge to be fitted or working.I'm not kidding, or I wouldn't have said that. I have never owned a jerry can, never had a need for one, don't think I've even seen one for sale, so genuinely didn't think of it. Still don't have one and will on Monday just go for fuel and spend the rest of my days without the need for a jerry can.
I have my answer now, which I thank you for.
carlove said:
I have never owned a jerry can, never had a need for one, don't think I've even seen one for sale, so genuinely didn't think of it. Still don't have one and will on Monday just go for fuel and spend the rest of my days without the need for a jerry can.
You don't know what you're missing! Surely no-one can be a Real Man without owning a jerry can? It's right up there with a hammer drill, jigsaw and big claw hammer on the list of manly essentials (whether you ever use them or not)!!! 
carlove said:
I think you might just be looking for an argument, but I'll humour a response.
No, honestly, I'm genuinely astonished!carlove1 said:
I'm not kidding, or I wouldn't have said that. I have never owned a jerry can, never had a need for one, don't think I've even seen one for sale, so genuinely didn't think of it. Still don't have one and will on Monday just go for fuel and spend the rest of my days without the need for a jerry can.
Just about every petrol station sells 'em, they're cheap. Not a metal 20l, but the usual plastic 5l...
You've genuinely never seen one?
I have seven or eight jerry cans.
Might be to do with a leaking tank and mad rush around all the local petrol stations to get something to decant it all into. Which was a sod as I had just filled the other petrol car.
They have many uses. There was that thread on gatsos, where someone asked if a speeding car set a gatso off, would the resultant picture show the person asking. That is they were approaching on foot with a tyre and a gallon of finest 95ron.....
Might be to do with a leaking tank and mad rush around all the local petrol stations to get something to decant it all into. Which was a sod as I had just filled the other petrol car.
They have many uses. There was that thread on gatsos, where someone asked if a speeding car set a gatso off, would the resultant picture show the person asking. That is they were approaching on foot with a tyre and a gallon of finest 95ron.....
Variomatic said:
You don't know what you're missing! Surely no-one can be a Real Man without owning a jerry can? It's right up there with a hammer drill, jigsaw and big claw hammer on the list of manly essentials (whether you ever use them or not)!!!
I will have to make a shopping list. My toolkit is an old biscuit tin with some screwdrivers and allen keys. I'm ashamed.To answer TooMany2cvs, never really looked for a jerry can, I've seen them I'm sure but not acknowledged their existence, my lawnmower is electric and my car has never come close to running out of fuel before, getting nearly 60mpg helps, although I may get one if it all goes wrong.
LoonR1 said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Well LoonR1 I speak as I find, and in my personal experience and that of most people who I have spoken to on the subject say that they are much less likely to "take a risk" on the small stuff.
I'm sure the powers that be would say "mission accomplished", but we are not talking about serial insurance evaders, or people driving like penises all the time, rather people driving a few extra miles to a booked MOT, or doing 85 on a clear motorway (the hoo-hah with new cameras on the M25 has noticeable slowed progress IME and led to a lot of panic breaking at gantries on the Kent section).
So, normally law abiding citizens get hit by the full force of the law for minor indiscretions while repeat offenders who know how to play the system seem to be able to get away with it. I still don't understand how there are so many untaxed uninsured cars on the road - surely ANPR should be able to pick them all off? It's a sad state of affairs IMHO.
Now it's the "full force of the law". You don't half like exaggeration. Jesus wept, an FPN is the "full force of the law", or being pulled for speeding and getting a few points and a small fine is the "full force of the law". If that's the case I'm off to rob a few banks, if all I'm going to get if caught is a small fine. . I'm sure the powers that be would say "mission accomplished", but we are not talking about serial insurance evaders, or people driving like penises all the time, rather people driving a few extra miles to a booked MOT, or doing 85 on a clear motorway (the hoo-hah with new cameras on the M25 has noticeable slowed progress IME and led to a lot of panic breaking at gantries on the Kent section).
So, normally law abiding citizens get hit by the full force of the law for minor indiscretions while repeat offenders who know how to play the system seem to be able to get away with it. I still don't understand how there are so many untaxed uninsured cars on the road - surely ANPR should be able to pick them all off? It's a sad state of affairs IMHO.
Please substitute my turn of phrase for something more suitable if you must, but I thought my point was fairly obvious. "Full force of the law" in this case meaning 3 points and a fine for 75mph or something like that. Would "full penalty with no discretion" make you any happier?
btcc123 said:
The ANPR will eventually get the people without MOT or insurance,the speeders will eventually be caught but the people that drive an extra mile or so to have a pre booked MOT do not have anything to worry about as they are not breaking the law.
Its not rocket science.
That's all very well except when somebody gets a pulled by jobsworth or bib having a bad day, or fails a notional attitude test. It's not black and white and so open to interpretation - hence this thread!! Stopping for petrol? Going via a third party for "repairs"? MOT station half way across the country?Its not rocket science.
But there's no discretion with a camera - that's the point. It doesn't pick up poor lane discipline, habitual texters, road rage, tailgating, brake testing, inattention, incompetence, etc., it picks up absolutes. 1 day outside MOT in a well maintained car, just over speed limit on clear day on empty motorway, undertaking broken down vehicle via bus lane, being hung out to dry in a box junction by a car changing lane in front of you, etc.
My comments are down to my experience, nothing more. Going back to the original topic, who would have worried about going via a petrol station to a booked MOT 20 years ago? Nobody! Nobody harmed, a sensible outcome. Now, who knows? Seen by ANPR, penalty through post, computer says no. Hence the OP starting this topic in the first place. Maybe it's unfounded, but it shows that it's a concern for some.
My comments are down to my experience, nothing more. Going back to the original topic, who would have worried about going via a petrol station to a booked MOT 20 years ago? Nobody! Nobody harmed, a sensible outcome. Now, who knows? Seen by ANPR, penalty through post, computer says no. Hence the OP starting this topic in the first place. Maybe it's unfounded, but it shows that it's a concern for some.
NiceCupOfTea said:
But there's no discretion with a camera - that's the point. It doesn't pick up poor lane discipline, habitual texters, road rage, tailgating, brake testing, inattention, incompetence, etc., it picks up absolutes. 1 day outside MOT in a well maintained car, just over speed limit on clear day on empty motorway, undertaking broken down vehicle via bus lane, being hung out to dry in a box junction by a car changing lane in front of you, etc.
My comments are down to my experience, nothing more. Going back to the original topic, who would have worried about going via a petrol station to a booked MOT 20 years ago? Nobody! Nobody harmed, a sensible outcome. Now, who knows? Seen by ANPR, penalty through post, computer says no. Hence the OP starting this topic in the first place. Maybe it's unfounded, but it shows that it's a concern for some.
A speed camera is designed for catching those speeding. It's quite a simple concept. It also has discretion as it won't catch you at 1mph over the limit. There is a tolerance and that us by definition "discretion". My comments are down to my experience, nothing more. Going back to the original topic, who would have worried about going via a petrol station to a booked MOT 20 years ago? Nobody! Nobody harmed, a sensible outcome. Now, who knows? Seen by ANPR, penalty through post, computer says no. Hence the OP starting this topic in the first place. Maybe it's unfounded, but it shows that it's a concern for some.
Nobody should worry today about the MOT. There are no postal MOT FPNs and the worst case is a small non endorseable fine if pulled by plod, of which there are considerably less than 20 years ago. Your argument is self defeating.
From GOV.UK Website.
If your MOT has expired.You can’t drive your vehicle on the road if the MOT’s expired. You could be prosecuted if caught.The only exception is if you’ve already booked an MOT and are driving your vehicle to the test centre.
That is the law so you will not have any problems with the police,you dont have to go straight there so if you need petrol,buy a newspaper or have a pee will not be an issue but you need to make sure you have the pre booked paperwork for clarification.If you get pinged by a ANPR send them the pre booked MOT which will show the same date you got pinged and booked time will be a short time after.
It would not surprise me if some people on here who clearly love cars will never drive them as they are so worried about the police stopping them.What if I am I driving too fast or too slow,I may get a stone chip my window,do my lights all work,I may get a puncture,what happens if I go through a amber traffic light will the jobs worth police prosecute me.
Come on guys get a grip.
If your MOT has expired.You can’t drive your vehicle on the road if the MOT’s expired. You could be prosecuted if caught.The only exception is if you’ve already booked an MOT and are driving your vehicle to the test centre.
That is the law so you will not have any problems with the police,you dont have to go straight there so if you need petrol,buy a newspaper or have a pee will not be an issue but you need to make sure you have the pre booked paperwork for clarification.If you get pinged by a ANPR send them the pre booked MOT which will show the same date you got pinged and booked time will be a short time after.
It would not surprise me if some people on here who clearly love cars will never drive them as they are so worried about the police stopping them.What if I am I driving too fast or too slow,I may get a stone chip my window,do my lights all work,I may get a puncture,what happens if I go through a amber traffic light will the jobs worth police prosecute me.
Come on guys get a grip.
TooMany2cvs said:
Just about every petrol station sells 'em, they're cheap. Not a metal 20l, but the usual plastic 5l...
You've genuinely never seen one?
That's not a jerry can, that's a petrol can.You've genuinely never seen one?
This is a jerry can:-
http://tinyurl.com/qevgee3
To add a humorous twist to this. I was once driving to an arranged MOT when a wheel fell off my car... (Yeah here comes the comments about taking it well prepared). I'd actually got the local idiot to change the brake pads and he'd rounded off nearly all the studs on one wheel. So driving along at about 40 mph I get a horrible shaking and my wheel is flying in front of the car and I'm skidding along on a brake disk.
Anyway a police car did stop (it was a country road). He asked me if I was okay. And I heard on the radio him being told I didn't have an MOT. I explained that I was taking it, and he just said "I'll trust you with that one" - he then left some cones and asked me to put them in the hedge once I had been recovered.
So I honestly don't think the police give a crap about if you have an MOT or not. Either that or I just found the most sound policeman alive that day.
Anyway a police car did stop (it was a country road). He asked me if I was okay. And I heard on the radio him being told I didn't have an MOT. I explained that I was taking it, and he just said "I'll trust you with that one" - he then left some cones and asked me to put them in the hedge once I had been recovered.
So I honestly don't think the police give a crap about if you have an MOT or not. Either that or I just found the most sound policeman alive that day.
LoonR1 said:
A speed camera is designed for catching those speeding. It's quite a simple concept. It also has discretion as it won't catch you at 1mph over the limit. There is a tolerance and that us by definition "discretion".
Nobody should worry today about the MOT. There are no postal MOT FPNs and the worst case is a small non endorseable fine if pulled by plod, of which there are considerably less than 20 years ago. Your argument is self defeating.
I'm not making an argument! All I'm saying is that people are a lot less prepared to take risks with things like this due to the chances of being caught "bang to rights" by a camera. The irony being of course that a lot of the really dangerous stuff can't be caught by cameras!Nobody should worry today about the MOT. There are no postal MOT FPNs and the worst case is a small non endorseable fine if pulled by plod, of which there are considerably less than 20 years ago. Your argument is self defeating.
I am sure you're right about the risks with an MOT, but it's still a gamble.
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