MET parking charges at Macdonalds
Discussion
Corpulent Tosser said:
It is of course because of people like you that that PPCs exist, of course not every selfish parker ignores the charges, or the law would probably already have been changed. As much as I disliked clamping, for selfish irresponsible people like yourself I would quite like to see it return.
Personally I too have never paid one of these parking charges, not because I ignore the ticket, but because I have never been issued one.
Lol you utter prat. You can park perfectly fine and still get a ticket. You just assume that those giving out the tickets are infallible and only ever give out tickets to people in the wrong.Personally I too have never paid one of these parking charges, not because I ignore the ticket, but because I have never been issued one.
Most places hide the terms and conditions away in tiny lettering and they actively pursue as many tickets as possible as that's how they make money.
dogzilla said:
Lol you utter prat. You can park perfectly fine and still get a ticket. You just assume that those giving out the tickets are infallible and only ever give out tickets to people in the wrong.
Most places hide the terms and conditions away in tiny lettering and they actively pursue as many tickets as possible as that's how they make money.
behave. how many people (with a jot of common sense) these days at a car park they are unfamiliar with having seen there is no pay and display, reasonably assume there must be no purported restrictions at all on parking and they can have a 3 course mc meal, surf the web and have a leisurely dump and whatever else OP was doing for such a time. Most places hide the terms and conditions away in tiny lettering and they actively pursue as many tickets as possible as that's how they make money.
anyway, putting aside the get outs on 'correct' tickets, how many entirely incorrectly issued tickets have you had to pay?
pork911 said:
behave. how many people (with a jot of common sense) these days at a car park they are unfamiliar with having seen there is no pay and display, reasonably assume there must be no purported restrictions at all on parking and they can have a 3 course mc meal, surf the web and have a leisurely dump and whatever else OP was doing for such a time.
anyway, putting aside the get outs on 'correct' tickets, how many entirely incorrectly issued tickets have you had to pay?
So after inviting you to shop at their establishments (which most do through advertising) if you spend too long shopping and dining,you should be charged an extra 100 quid? Maybe there should be signs in stores saying Hurry the @&£" up?anyway, putting aside the get outs on 'correct' tickets, how many entirely incorrectly issued tickets have you had to pay?
Mandalore said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
ruff'n'smov said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Rather than just complaining about them has anyone come up with an alternative to PPCs ?
I guess we don't want to go back to clamping, so what can a company do to control the parking in their car park without causing inconvenience to their regular customers or costing the company money?
Employ their own parking attendants perhaps, but then to make it a deterent the charges would be the same as currently charged by the PPC so effectively no different.
And who is going to police them....the councils can't get half of their parking fines right, just think of the amount of unjustified payments people will have to pay, if this is ever to come into being....a bit naive the CT...or you just being Troll again.I guess we don't want to go back to clamping, so what can a company do to control the parking in their car park without causing inconvenience to their regular customers or costing the company money?
Employ their own parking attendants perhaps, but then to make it a deterent the charges would be the same as currently charged by the PPC so effectively no different.
I see though that you have not come up with any alternative to PPCs.
Do you think free for all parking on private property is acceptable ?
But, we DO need something to righteously penalise the minority of self-oblessed people who think that they can deliberately flout the rules - either blatantly or under pretence of xyz..
The trick is NOT to penalise the people that HAVE made a genuine mistake. And that might mean a team of adjudicators who will need to be funded.
The 95% of honest people should not pay for the 5% of non-genuine selfish low life's who are causing the issues, and so the current solution of high fines, and waivers under appeal works on paper - but not in practise.
k the private land owners and private parking companies will charge everybody regardless.The first time I was sent a charge it was because a film I went to watch was delayed and I was in the cinema over 3 hrs....even though I got a confirmation email from the cinema Parking eye (not MET ) on this occasion still turned down my appeal, why ??? It was a legitimate overstay, so I just did a POPLA appeal and parking eye just never offered a defence...it I was sent a POPLA adjudication telling me I had nothing to pay.
These lot are chancers nothing more and nothing less, and as long as they have mugs like you filling their coffers they'll not trouble me too much the odd time I overstay, and as long as they make ridiculous demands for a 30 minute or so overstay, then I'll keep winning my appeals.
But please continue with your self righteous pompus and costly attitudes ..... You do entertain me.
Funkycoldribena said:
pork911 said:
behave. how many people (with a jot of common sense) these days at a car park they are unfamiliar with having seen there is no pay and display, reasonably assume there must be no purported restrictions at all on parking and they can have a 3 course mc meal, surf the web and have a leisurely dump and whatever else OP was doing for such a time.
anyway, putting aside the get outs on 'correct' tickets, how many entirely incorrectly issued tickets have you had to pay?
So after inviting you to shop at their establishments (which most do through advertising) if you spend too long shopping and dining,you should be charged an extra 100 quid? Maybe there should be signs in stores saying Hurry the @&£" up?anyway, putting aside the get outs on 'correct' tickets, how many entirely incorrectly issued tickets have you had to pay?
whether they should be charged or not and whether the charges are enforceable or not etc touches nothing upon feigned ignorance
ruff'n'smov said:
Sorry CT the troll again was just my little joke.....I'm not offering an alternative I'm rubbishing your utopian attitude that a private parking company is going to do the right thing by everybody.........charge (not fine FFS) the people who park and take the piss , but let off the little old chap who's wheel chair broke on his way back to the car park....are they fk the private land owners and private parking companies will charge everybody regardless.
The first time I was sent a charge it was because a film I went to watch was delayed and I was in the cinema over 3 hrs....even though I got a confirmation email from the cinema Parking eye (not MET ) on this occasion still turned down my appeal, why ??? It was a legitimate overstay, so I just did a POPLA appeal and parking eye just never offered a defence...it I was sent a POPLA adjudication telling me I had nothing to pay.
These lot are chancers nothing more and nothing less, and as long as they have mugs like you filling their coffers they'll not trouble me too much the odd time I overstay, and as long as they make ridiculous demands for a 30 minute or so overstay, then I'll keep winning my appeals.
But please continue with your self righteous pompus and costly attitudes ..... You do entertain me.
Not costly to me at all. Being someone who has a sense of person responsibility, I just don't take the piss when parking and find it doesn't cost me at all. Self righteous, pompous ? Possibly, but I would rather be considered as such than as irresponsible, or as someone who has no respect for property owners.k the private land owners and private parking companies will charge everybody regardless.The first time I was sent a charge it was because a film I went to watch was delayed and I was in the cinema over 3 hrs....even though I got a confirmation email from the cinema Parking eye (not MET ) on this occasion still turned down my appeal, why ??? It was a legitimate overstay, so I just did a POPLA appeal and parking eye just never offered a defence...it I was sent a POPLA adjudication telling me I had nothing to pay.
These lot are chancers nothing more and nothing less, and as long as they have mugs like you filling their coffers they'll not trouble me too much the odd time I overstay, and as long as they make ridiculous demands for a 30 minute or so overstay, then I'll keep winning my appeals.
But please continue with your self righteous pompus and costly attitudes ..... You do entertain me.
dogzilla said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
It is of course because of people like you that that PPCs exist, of course not every selfish parker ignores the charges, or the law would probably already have been changed. As much as I disliked clamping, for selfish irresponsible people like yourself I would quite like to see it return.
Personally I too have never paid one of these parking charges, not because I ignore the ticket, but because I have never been issued one.
Lol you utter prat. You can park perfectly fine and still get a ticket. You just assume that those giving out the tickets are infallible and only ever give out tickets to people in the wrong.Personally I too have never paid one of these parking charges, not because I ignore the ticket, but because I have never been issued one.
Most places hide the terms and conditions away in tiny lettering and they actively pursue as many tickets as possible as that's how they make money.
Corpulent Tosser said:
Yet I have never been issued such a ticket. I am not saying it never happens, I am saying that people taking the piss, deliberately parking longer than allowed in the knowledge that they can ignore or get the charge overturned, they truly are prats.
What are you going to do when you visit a shop and then go back later in the day and get a ticket for staying the whole day from the first time you drove on to the last time you drove off? What are you going to do when you get a ticket for not paying to drive around a car park, find it's full and drive off without parking? All these things have happened. Even council parking is operated by private companies behind the scenes and they take the mickey the same way. An example was my mother getting a ticked from a traffic warden who didn't see the pay and display ticket on her dashboard. The same one tried to book her later as she was buying her ticket from the machine. Doing the right thing and sticking to the rules doesn't protect you. If you appeal, it goes to someone sitting in an office with a target to deal with your case in five minutes and to process a certain number of work items in a day. They aren't going to read your sob story and think about it, their procedure will be to keep rejecting your appeals until you go to an independent adjudicator.
I'm all for measures to stop people misusing parking, I've been inconvenienced by people parking selfishly myself, but it shouldn't be used to exploit people with the self righteous declaration that if you stick to the rules you've got nothing to worry about and those who fall foul deserve whatever punishment they get. That attitude is used as a cover for, at best, incompetence and lack of respect for people and, at worst, a deliberate attempt to take advantage of people who can't or won't stick up for themselves.
Possibly the best way to expose the "make some cash" parking firms is to involve the stores etc that hire them. I've seen two good ways of dealing with these scammers.
1) - Take ticket in to place that really owns the parking space and see the customer services manager.
2) if 1 fails, then letter to local paper usually grabs the customer service manager by the necessary. They don't want/need bad publicity.
1) - Take ticket in to place that really owns the parking space and see the customer services manager.
2) if 1 fails, then letter to local paper usually grabs the customer service manager by the necessary. They don't want/need bad publicity.
Blakewater said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Yet I have never been issued such a ticket. I am not saying it never happens, I am saying that people taking the piss, deliberately parking longer than allowed in the knowledge that they can ignore or get the charge overturned, they truly are prats.
What are you going to do when you visit a shop and then go back later in the day and get a ticket for staying the whole day from the first time you drove on to the last time you drove off? What are you going to do when you get a ticket for not paying to drive around a car park, find it's full and drive off without parking? All these things have happened. Even council parking is operated by private companies behind the scenes and they take the mickey the same way. An example was my mother getting a ticked from a traffic warden who didn't see the pay and display ticket on her dashboard. The same one tried to book her later as she was buying her ticket from the machine. Doing the right thing and sticking to the rules doesn't protect you. If you appeal, it goes to someone sitting in an office with a target to deal with your case in five minutes and to process a certain number of work items in a day. They aren't going to read your sob story and think about it, their procedure will be to keep rejecting your appeals until you go to an independent adjudicator.
I'm all for measures to stop people misusing parking, I've been inconvenienced by people parking selfishly myself, but it shouldn't be used to exploit people with the self righteous declaration that if you stick to the rules you've got nothing to worry about and those who fall foul deserve whatever punishment they get. That attitude is used as a cover for, at best, incompetence and lack of respect for people and, at worst, a deliberate attempt to take advantage of people who can't or won't stick up for themselves.
"Has tons of tickets all of which have been ignored" then the PPCs would not exist.
As I have said I have never had one of those charges despite frequently using car parks, how many have you had and what is the split between deserved and undeserved ?
Who me said:
Possibly the best way to expose the "make some cash" parking firms is to involve the stores etc that hire them. I've seen two good ways of dealing with these scammers.
1) - Take ticket in to place that really owns the parking space and see the customer services manager.
2) if 1 fails, then letter to local paper usually grabs the customer service manager by the necessary. They don't want/need bad publicity.
I don't suppose hardly anyone knows the name of the landlord companies that own the car parks on retail parks where these shops are.1) - Take ticket in to place that really owns the parking space and see the customer services manager.
2) if 1 fails, then letter to local paper usually grabs the customer service manager by the necessary. They don't want/need bad publicity.
Do the site managing agents usually have a customer service manager ?
You may not be their customer but a customer of one of the leasehold stores at best which may not even include the car park in their lease agreement.
speedyguy said:
I don't suppose hardly anyone knows the name of the landlord companies that own the car parks on retail parks where these shops are.
Do the site managing agents usually have a customer service manager ?
You may not be their customer but a customer of one of the leasehold stores at best which may not even include the car park in their lease agreement.
G24 do the car park "management" for Wickes, but a number of POPLA appeals have revealed that Wickes are not the landowner, therefore the invoices have been cancelled. The G24-Wickes contract is worthless and unenforceable, but I'm pretty sure enough shmucks pay up without challenging it, or crumble at the first official sounding threat-o-gram.Do the site managing agents usually have a customer service manager ?
You may not be their customer but a customer of one of the leasehold stores at best which may not even include the car park in their lease agreement.
S11Steve said:
speedyguy said:
I don't suppose hardly anyone knows the name of the landlord companies that own the car parks on retail parks where these shops are.
Do the site managing agents usually have a customer service manager ?
You may not be their customer but a customer of one of the leasehold stores at best which may not even include the car park in their lease agreement.
G24 do the car park "management" for Wickes, but a number of POPLA appeals have revealed that Wickes are not the landowner, therefore the invoices have been cancelled. The G24-Wickes contract is worthless and unenforceable, but I'm pretty sure enough shmucks pay up without challenging it, or crumble at the first official sounding threat-o-gram.Do the site managing agents usually have a customer service manager ?
You may not be their customer but a customer of one of the leasehold stores at best which may not even include the car park in their lease agreement.
1. Who owns the wickes car parks.
2. Do wickes pay a fee/rent to the owners so that their customers can park and use the store.
3. What is the free parking limit displayed on their signage.
4. What is the average time that people spend in the Wickes store itself.
5. How many people each year spend more than 110min inside the Wickes store.
Once you have answered these points, we will all be free to have a true opinion.
Corpulent Tosser said:
Blakewater said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Yet I have never been issued such a ticket. I am not saying it never happens, I am saying that people taking the piss, deliberately parking longer than allowed in the knowledge that they can ignore or get the charge overturned, they truly are prats.
What are you going to do when you visit a shop and then go back later in the day and get a ticket for staying the whole day from the first time you drove on to the last time you drove off? What are you going to do when you get a ticket for not paying to drive around a car park, find it's full and drive off without parking? All these things have happened. Even council parking is operated by private companies behind the scenes and they take the mickey the same way. An example was my mother getting a ticked from a traffic warden who didn't see the pay and display ticket on her dashboard. The same one tried to book her later as she was buying her ticket from the machine. Doing the right thing and sticking to the rules doesn't protect you. If you appeal, it goes to someone sitting in an office with a target to deal with your case in five minutes and to process a certain number of work items in a day. They aren't going to read your sob story and think about it, their procedure will be to keep rejecting your appeals until you go to an independent adjudicator.
I'm all for measures to stop people misusing parking, I've been inconvenienced by people parking selfishly myself, but it shouldn't be used to exploit people with the self righteous declaration that if you stick to the rules you've got nothing to worry about and those who fall foul deserve whatever punishment they get. That attitude is used as a cover for, at best, incompetence and lack of respect for people and, at worst, a deliberate attempt to take advantage of people who can't or won't stick up for themselves.
"Has tons of tickets all of which have been ignored" then the PPCs would not exist.
As I have said I have never had one of those charges despite frequently using car parks, how many have you had and what is the split between deserved and undeserved ?
Mandalore said:
You seem to have done some research,but have omitted the following key facts..
1. Who owns the wickes car parks.
2. Do wickes pay a fee/rent to the owners so that their customers can park and use the store.
3. What is the free parking limit displayed on their signage.
4. What is the average time that people spend in the Wickes store itself.
5. How many people each year spend more than 110min inside the Wickes store.
Once you have answered these points, we will all be free to have a true opinion.
1. Savilles in the cases I dealt with.1. Who owns the wickes car parks.
2. Do wickes pay a fee/rent to the owners so that their customers can park and use the store.
3. What is the free parking limit displayed on their signage.
4. What is the average time that people spend in the Wickes store itself.
5. How many people each year spend more than 110min inside the Wickes store.
Once you have answered these points, we will all be free to have a true opinion.
2. Not specifically stated as parking within the contract, but the land is included.
3. Varies, 90 to 120 minutes.
4. Not relevant when going through Popla.
5. The people were either employees or contractors that should have had the vehicles white listed, but G24 refused to acknowledge this, despite Wickes requesting the tickets to be cancelled.
They couldn't prove a strong enough case to validate the charges when challenged.
I've got 120+ tickets cancelled either at source or at POPLA, and about a dozen at PATAS so far, I don't need the internet to convince me that the tickets are enforceable when my own results and experience convince me otherwise.
nickwilcock said:
What reason on earth could you possibly have had for parking at a FAST FOOD restaurant for over 2 1/2 hours? To me that sounds like completely selfish behaviour and the fee you have been asked to pay is entirely reasonable.
£100 to a parasitic parking enforcement company, for spending too long in a McDonalds car park? You need to step back for a moment and properly consider the stupidity of your remark. Unless McDonalds have lost £100, about which I am highly sceptical, then it is the very opposite of reasonable.
S11Steve said:
Mandalore said:
You seem to have done some research,but have omitted the following key facts..
1. Who owns the wickes car parks.
2. Do wickes pay a fee/rent to the owners so that their customers can park and use the store.
3. What is the free parking limit displayed on their signage.
4. What is the average time that people spend in the Wickes store itself.
5. How many people each year spend more than 110min inside the Wickes store.
Once you have answered these points, we will all be free to have a true opinion.
1. Savilles in the cases I dealt with.1. Who owns the wickes car parks.
2. Do wickes pay a fee/rent to the owners so that their customers can park and use the store.
3. What is the free parking limit displayed on their signage.
4. What is the average time that people spend in the Wickes store itself.
5. How many people each year spend more than 110min inside the Wickes store.
Once you have answered these points, we will all be free to have a true opinion.
2. Not specifically stated as parking within the contract, but the land is included.
3. Varies, 90 to 120 minutes.
4. Not relevant when going through Popla.
5. The people were either employees or contractors that should have had the vehicles white listed, but G24 refused to acknowledge this, despite Wickes requesting the tickets to be cancelled.
They couldn't prove a strong enough case to validate the charges when challenged.
I've got 120+ tickets cancelled either at source or at POPLA, and about a dozen at PATAS so far, I don't need the internet to convince me that the tickets are enforceable when my own results and experience convince me otherwise.
Can you eleborate?
Do you mean that they could not prove that the charge levied reflected the length/value of the overstay (GC8's point above)?
Or,
Do you mean, that they could not prove people had overstayed and gone shopping elsewhere in the first place?
GC8 said:
nickwilcock said:
What reason on earth could you possibly have had for parking at a FAST FOOD restaurant for over 2 1/2 hours? To me that sounds like completely selfish behaviour and the fee you have been asked to pay is entirely reasonable.
£100 to a parasitic parking enforcement company, for spending too long in a McDonalds car park? You need to step back for a moment and properly consider the stupidity of your remark. Unless McDonalds have lost £100, about which I am highly sceptical, then it is the very opposite of reasonable.
Mandalore said:
I noticed that you say that they could not prove a strong enough case to validate the charges when challenged.
Can you eleborate?
Do you mean that they could not prove that the charge levied reflected the length/value of the overstay (GC8's point above)?
Or,
Do you mean, that they could not prove people had overstayed and gone shopping elsewhere in the first place?
Regardless of the number of issues raised in a POPLA appeal, the adjudicator will only look at one in each instance. Without digging through the files, from memory about half were GPEOL, but most of the remainder were all either insufficient landowner authority or ANPR fallibility. I mentioned all of these in my rebuttals to their evidence submission, but it depends on the individual POPLA adjudicator who looks at it as to which one of the valid points they pick up on. Given I raised the same points on all submissions, it's probably not unfair to surmise that all points were valid for all appeals.Can you eleborate?
Do you mean that they could not prove that the charge levied reflected the length/value of the overstay (GC8's point above)?
Or,
Do you mean, that they could not prove people had overstayed and gone shopping elsewhere in the first place?
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