MET parking charges at Macdonalds

[A57 HSV]

A colleague used this service for £16

https://www.appealparkingticket.co.uk/how-it-works...

I think it was also Met and McD's. It never got as far as POPLA, he just got an email from the PPC tell him that the charge had been waived.

[ruff'n'smov]

Mandalore said:

People deliberately abusing car spaces in fine shocker.....

Companies set up to abuse ignorant customers in huge profits shocker

[Red Devil]

Devil2575 said:

I'm not kidding myself, they are a company providing a service on the basis that they will make money. The same as the company that is contracted to provide a cleaning service for the building that I work in.

The motive is the same: profit*, but not the contractual relationship. Under what circumstances does the cleaning company try to fleece you?

• The problem is the business model used by the vast majority of PPCs together with the absence of any notion of fair dealing. Their only interest is maximising the bottom line not parking control. Their heavy handedness can rebound on those who bring them on site. The Somerfield case exposed the true nature of this shoddy industry.

[Devil2575]

Red Devil said:

Devil2575 said:

I'm not kidding myself, they are a company providing a service on the basis that they will make money. The same as the company that is contracted to provide a cleaning service for the building that I work in.

The motive is the same: profit*, but not the contractual relationship. Under what circumstances does the cleaning company try to fleece you?

• The problem is the business model used by the vast majority of PPCs together with the absence of any notion of fair dealing. Their only interest is maximising the bottom line not parking control. Their heavy handedness can rebound on those who bring them on site. The Somerfield case exposed the true nature of this shoddy industry.

I don't disgaree with any of this, but it doesn't change the fact that any complaint should be directed to the business who owns the land not the PPC.

[Corpulent Tosser]

Rather than just complaining about them has anyone come up with an alternative to PPCs ?

I guess we don't want to go back to clamping, so what can a company do to control the parking in their car park without causing inconvenience to their regular customers or costing the company money?

Employ their own parking attendants perhaps, but then to make it a deterent the charges would be the same as currently charged by the PPC so effectively no different.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Corpulent Tosser said:

Rather than just complaining about them has anyone come up with an alternative to PPCs ?

I would like to see private landowners/operators have the same powers to fine drivers as the councils do. None of this crap about losses. If you park where you are not permitted, or for longer than permitted, you pay a penalty. You only have yourself to blame.

[Funkycoldribena]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Corpulent Tosser said:

Rather than just complaining about them has anyone come up with an alternative to PPCs ?

I would like to see private landowners/operators have the same powers to fine drivers as the councils do. None of this crap about losses. If you park where you are not permitted, or for longer than permitted, you pay a penalty. You only have yourself to blame.

Id like to see ppcs banned completely.Hopefully some stores will realise that these parasites are costing them business.I rarely use the local shops because of the restrictions and use the giant retail carpark that has none.

[anonymous-user]

Funkycoldribena said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Corpulent Tosser said:

Rather than just complaining about them has anyone come up with an alternative to PPCs ?

I would like to see private landowners/operators have the same powers to fine drivers as the councils do. None of this crap about losses. If you park where you are not permitted, or for longer than permitted, you pay a penalty. You only have yourself to blame.

Id like to see ppcs banned completely.Hopefully some stores will realise that these parasites are costing them business.I rarely use the local shops because of the restrictions and use the giant retail carpark that has none.

So you also don't use shops near paid for council car parking ?
Many retail parks charge for parking depending on location.

How do you feel about paying for a NCP in a town or city centre just because they use barriers rather than ANPR now that technology has moved on.

[Funkycoldribena]

speedyguy said:

Funkycoldribena said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Corpulent Tosser said:

Rather than just complaining about them has anyone come up with an alternative to PPCs ?

I would like to see private landowners/operators have the same powers to fine drivers as the councils do. None of this crap about losses. If you park where you are not permitted, or for longer than permitted, you pay a penalty. You only have yourself to blame.

Id like to see ppcs banned completely.Hopefully some stores will realise that these parasites are costing them business.I rarely use the local shops because of the restrictions and use the giant retail carpark that has none.

So you also don't use shops near paid for council car parking ?
Many retail parks charge for parking depending on location.

How do you feel about paying for a NCP in a town or city centre just because they use barriers rather than ANPR now that technology has moved on.

Not sure what your post is saying but I haven't paid for parking for donkeys years,don't see why I should! Those who don't charge get my custom.This ppc lark seems to be another symptom of rip off Britain,Im yet to hear of another country who uses them unless you know of otherwise?

[PurpleMoonlight]

Funkycoldribena said:

Not sure what your post is saying but I haven't paid for parking for donkeys years,don't see why I should! Those who don't charge get my custom.This ppc lark seems to be another symptom of rip off Britain,Im yet to hear of another country who uses them unless you know of otherwise?

Don't park where you shouldn't and don't park for longer than permitted or paid for and you will never see any correspondence from a PPC.

Apparently that is a difficult concept for many drivers in Brittain to comprehend.

[Funkycoldribena]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Don't park where you shouldn't and don't park for longer than permitted or paid for and you will never see any correspondence from a PPC.

Apparently that is a difficult concept for many drivers in Brittain to comprehend.

No strictly true though is it? Plenty of cases of people being chased for popping into the same carpark twice in one day or others being targetted for extremely minor infringements.Just do away with the ppcs altogether and then there would be no correspondence.Once again I'll ask,why just Britain?

[Neonblau]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Don't park where you shouldn't and don't park for longer than permitted or paid for and you will never see any correspondence from a PPC.

Apparently that is a difficult concept for many drivers in Brittain to comprehend.

It's not really "Brittain" (sic) is it? Whilst these leeches operate here in Scotland their actually legality seems to be bugger all and they remain unenforceable.

And guess what? There's no parking gridlock, no anarchy, no parking riots.

I've got one trying to pursue someone who may or not have parked my car in a free car park three weeks before Christmas and "overstayed" by 20 minutes? How much is the charge - £150. They've not a chance in fk of seeing a penny, but they are now letter number six.

it's a scam, pure and simple.

[anonymous-user]

Neonblau said:

It's not really "Brittain" (sic) is it? Whilst these leeches operate here in Scotland their actually legality seems to be bugger all and they remain unenforceable.


it's a scam, pure and simple.

I just paid £24 for 5 days parking at Liverpool airport, was i scammed ?

I'm beginning to think i was it was only a long stay car park so no byelaws ?

Next time i can park for free ?

If i stop at the exit barrier and it doesn't raise can i claim some kind
of falae imprisonment of my car ?

Remove the barrier and just use the ANPR which was alao there what is the difference If i don't pay ?

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 13th April 21:58

[Corpulent Tosser]

Neonblau said:

It's not really "Brittain" (sic) is it? Whilst these leeches operate here in Scotland their actually legality seems to be bugger all and they remain unenforceable.

And guess what? There's no parking gridlock, no anarchy, no parking riots.

I've got one trying to pursue someone who may or not have parked my car in a free car park three weeks before Christmas and "overstayed" by 20 minutes? How much is the charge - £150. They've not a chance in fk of seeing a penny, but they are now letter number six.

it's a scam, pure and simple.

How it is a scam (apart from perhaps the fact that it appears to be non-enforcable) there is a time limit set by the landowner, and a charge also set by the landowner if you wish to stay longer than the alotted free parking period. Doesn't sound like a scam to me, don't stay longer than the time allowed and the charge does not come into effect..

[stuart313]

The difference is car parks actively encourage you to park on their land, just like toilets in supermarkets, they are there so you will use their store instead of one that doesn't have any facilities. If you got a couple of drops of piss on the floor should you be fined £100 or should the supermarket accept there was no loss as the toilets are cleaned every hour anyway.

[Neonblau]

Corpulent Tosser said:

How it is a scam (apart from perhaps the fact that it appears to be non-enforcable) there is a time limit set by the landowner, and a charge also set by the landowner if you wish to stay longer than the alotted free parking period. Doesn't sound like a scam to me, don't stay longer than the time allowed and the charge does not come into effect..

I think you've answered your own question - and there's no perhaps about it. If it's not a scam why has none of these cases ever been in front of a Scottish court? The same reason that they gave up on clamping.

In Scotland this st is about as legal as printing your own money. The letters are crap as well, full of "if" and "may". They know it's never going to court, I know it's never going to court so every letter they send is just more intimidating bullst - a scam if you will. And apparently they are going to take my "debt" to County Court, which is not possible as there is no such thing north of the wall. They should at least try get the terminology correct.

In the case I referred to the landowner actually advertised a Christmas visit to the retail centre as a great "day" out. As long as a day is three hours when you bring your own car. The car park was not full - it's massive - so what losses do you think they incurred? That's all they can recover and it ain't anything like £150.

[Devil2575]

Neonblau said:

It's not really "Brittain" (sic) is it? Whilst these leeches operate here in Scotland their actually legality seems to be bugger all and they remain unenforceable.

And guess what? There's no parking gridlock, no anarchy, no parking riots.

I've got one trying to pursue someone who may or not have parked my car in a free car park three weeks before Christmas and "overstayed" by 20 minutes? How much is the charge - £150. They've not a chance in fk of seeing a penny, but they are now letter number six.

it's a scam, pure and simple.

That's because there is no one there! Most of Scotland is empty

And even in the more densely populated areas people in the majority tend to follow the rules fully enforcable or not.

You can't simply say that "The rules are unenforceable and we haven't had gridlock therefore the rules don't need to be there", because it's very likely that the threat of action dissuades enough people from flouting the rules.

[Red Devil]

Devil2575 said:

And even in the more densely populated areas people in the majority tend to follow the rules fully enforcable or not.

On what evidence do you base this assertion that the Scots are more compliant than those south of the border?

[Devil2575]

Red Devil said:

Devil2575 said:

And even in the more densely populated areas people in the majority tend to follow the rules fully enforcable or not.

On what evidence do you base this assertion that the Scots are more compliant than those south of the border?

I didn't say they were. In general people tend to follow the rules. I'd say this is the case across on either side of the border.

[Neonblau]

Devil2575 said:

That's because there is no one there! Most of Scotland is empty

Idiot.