stopped by police who tried to stich me up

[ruff'n'smov]

NinjaPower said:

s2bounce said:

Greendubber said:

What was the 'bullst reason' you were stopped for out of interest?

Not wearing my seat belt!

That's not a bullst reason.

Thats a genuine reason.

I wouldn't trust the Police at any time I have interaction with them, that is not saying that all Police are bent stitch up merchants they are not, and it's not saying I hate the Police I don't.

But attitude is everything, and I suspect your attitude to the coppers, who pulled you over for a LEGITIMATE reason is why you are having problems now. You need to learn from this.

More than one way to skin a moody wide boy .

What was the sentence on your GBH, the sentence will have a direct effect on whether the conviction was spent or not.

[anonymous-user]

ruff'n'smov said:

What was the sentence on your GBH, the sentence will have a direct effect on whether the conviction was spent or not.

He has answered that, he was a minor and it was non-custodial.

It's spent.

[otolith]

I think the officer concerned has been monumentally stupid - disclosing confidential personal information from the PNC to a third party for what amounts to spite sounds like a career limiting move to me.

Will the consequences depend on whether he passes the attitude test with his superiors?

[Bigends]

otolith said:

I think the officer concerned has been monumentally stupid - disclosing confidential personal information from the PNC to a third party for what amounts to spite sounds like a career limiting move to me.

Will the consequences depend on whether he passes the attitude test with his superiors?

It'll depend exactly what the cop told them. Put the situation in reverse - had the insurance company contacted Police to ask about the OPs convictions - they wouldnt have been told over the phone and would have had to go through the proper data compliance channels. They wouldnt even have been told of the existence of any convictions let alone what they were without going through the proper route. The officer here has been a bit daft contacting the insurance company here and disclosing info from the PNC no matter how vague though i'm sure they'll come up with a good reason for doing it

[Eclassy]

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ruff'n'smov said:

But attitude is everything, and I suspect your attitude to the coppers, who pulled you over for a LEGITIMATE reason is why you are having problems now. You need to learn from this.

More than one way to skin a moody wide boy .

Are the police some kind of special people? I have worked in customer facing jobs in a stadium and on a technical helpline where people were extremely rude. I never thought for once to stitch a fan up and get them ejected from a game or spitefully cancel a broadband customer's account.

The police are not paid to administer attitude tests.

@OP

I would advise not to make your complaint yet. I would wait for a copy of the recording to be in my possession. You may want to submit a SAR to the insurance company so they dont come back and decide on a whim that they do not want to give you a copy of the recording. According to the law, It should take at most 40 days like they say but some like the Metropolitan Police Service dont care about breaking the law. They still havent honoured a mate's request 1 year and 3 months on.

The receipt of a SAR from you will ensure that the insurance company keeps the recording of the call (even if they dont give it to you.....yet) which means they cant tell you in the future that they've overwritten it.

[Steve H]

Eclassy said:

Are the police some kind of special people? I have worked in customer facing jobs in a stadium and on a technical helpline where people were extremely rude. I never thought for once to stitch a fan up and get them ejected from a game or spitefully cancel a broadband customer's account.

The police are not paid to administer attitude tests.

Are you really suggesting that in your job you deal with everyone exactly equally irrespective of their manner and way of dealing with you?

[Rovinghawk]

Steve H said:

Are you really suggesting that in your job you deal with everyone exactly equally irrespective of their manner and way of dealing with you?

Maybe he's suggesting that he doesn't act in an unlawful/illegal & unprofessional manner as he knows that it might come back to bite him on the arse.

[Eclassy]

Steve H said:

Are you really suggesting that in your job you deal with everyone exactly equally irrespective of their manner and way of dealing with you?

Not at all. I have emotions and cut extremely rude customers off the phone several times and even told off one or two unruly fans.

A policeman doesnt have to be nice to a MOP who is being an idiot but to become vindictive and start looking for ways to get one over the MOP is extremely unprofessional. Just do your job professionally and move on to the next one.

Like I said in my earlier post, I didnt use the little power I had by the virtue of my position in those customer facing roles to stitch up or make life miserable for the customers.

[Mr2Mike]

Eclassy said:

Are the police some kind of special people?

The Police have powers within the law that the average citizen does not, I'm a little surprised you weren't aware of this.

Tell me, what benefit is there in deliberately provoking the Police with a typical chav scum attitude? The disadvantages are numerous and obvious, but the benefits elude me.

[GC8]

Steve H said:

Eclassy said:

Are the police some kind of special people? I have worked in customer facing jobs in a stadium and on a technical helpline where people were extremely rude. I never thought for once to stitch a fan up and get them ejected from a game or spitefully cancel a broadband customer's account.

The police are not paid to administer attitude tests.

Are you really suggesting that in your job you deal with everyone exactly equally irrespective of their manner and way of dealing with you?

Stupid argument. It doesn't matter if he was rude and aggressive: they still cannot break the law. They have probably broken their forces data protection policy, the DPA and left the Chief Constable vicariously or themselves personally open to a claim for damages for libel.

The police officer involved was either a fking idiot, or a liability who needs weeding out, or something in-between.

[Rovinghawk]

Mr2Mike said:

The Police have powers within the law that the average citizen does not.

Do they have powers outwith the law? This would appear to be the basis for the topic.

[Steve H]

I thought that might get a response but I'm not just trying to provoke, there's a point that some are choosing to ignore. You can influence the cards you are dealt, the OP appears to me to be playing a pointlessly long hand when he could have just won a short one.


If the copper broke the law then fine, he can be brought to account and dealt with, I have the feeling that the OP has the time and inclination to ensure this happens .

[ging84]

GC8 said:

Stupid argument. It doesn't matter if he was rude and aggressive: they still cannot break the law. They have probably broken their forces data protection policy, the DPA and left the Chief Constable vicariously or themselves personally open to a claim for damages for libel.

The police officer involved was either a fking idiot, or a liability who needs weeding out, or something in-between.

I think it is actually more serious, unauthorized disclosure of spent convictions can be a criminal offence, and this seems like it would be if everything the OP has posted is the correct and true

[otolith]

ging84 said:

I think it is actually more serious, unauthorized disclosure of spent convictions can be a criminal offence, and this seems like it would be if everything the OP has posted is the correct and true

So it would seem;

https://www.cans.org.uk/notes/administration-of-ju...

[GC8]

ging84 said:

GC8 said:

Stupid argument. It doesn't matter if he was rude and aggressive: they still cannot break the law. They have probably broken their forces data protection policy, the DPA and left the Chief Constable vicariously or themselves personally open to a claim for damages for libel.

The police officer involved was either a fking idiot, or a liability who needs weeding out, or something in-between.

I think it is actually more serious, unauthorized disclosure of spent convictions can be a criminal offence, and this seems like it would be if everything the OP has posted is the correct and true

That was my opinion too, as stated in earlier posts, but I couldn't find a reference so I haven't laboured the point.

[ruff'n'smov]

Eclassy said:

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ruff'n'smov said:

But attitude is everything, and I suspect your attitude to the coppers, who pulled you over for a LEGITIMATE reason is why you are having problems now. You need to learn from this.

More than one way to skin a moody wide boy .

Are the police some kind of special people? I have worked in customer facing jobs in a stadium and on a technical helpline where people were extremely rude. I never thought for once to stitch a fan up and get them ejected from a gameor spitefully cancel a broadband customer's account.

The police are not paid to administer attitude tests.

@OP

I would advise not to make your complaint yet. I would wait for a copy of the recording to be in my possession. You may want to submit a SAR to the insurance company so they dont come back and decide on a whim that they do not want to give you a copy of the recording. According to the law, It should take at most 40 days like they say but some like the Metropolitan Police Service dont care about breaking the law. They still havent honoured a mate's request 1 year and 3 months on.

The receipt of a SAR from you will ensure that the insurance company keeps the recording of the call (even if they dont give it to you.....yet) which means they cant tell you in the future that they've overwritten it.

You are the only fking ahole Steward that hasn't then. If there is one group of officious power hungry cocks its Football ground Stewards.....is there a special training course they go on or is it just a natural flaw in a Stewards social makeup
If the OP was giving all that with the Plod.....and there is no evidence that he has, just what I suspect may have happened, then I would say that it is very likely the Coppers that pulled him, just clipped his wings a little bit by mentioning something to the insurance company they, maybe shouldn't have

[mph1977]

ruff'n'smov said:

You are the only fking ahole Steward that hasn't then. If there is one group of officious power hungry cocks its Football ground Stewards.....is there a special training course they go on or is it just a natural flaw in a Stewards social makeup

of all the times in the year to mock the hard work of people involved in stadiuum safety ... but then again this is PH ...

( for those hard of thinking , Hillsborough happened on the 15th April 89 and Bradford's fire was 11th May 85 )

[ruff'n'smov]

mph1977 said:

of all the times in the year to mock the hard work of people involved in stadiuum safety ... but then again this is PH ...

( for those hard of thinking , Hillsborough happened on the 15th April 89 and Bradford's fire was 11th May 85 )

And Ibrox was 2nd January 71... Do I make sure I don't take the piss out of St John's Ambulance, Coppers, Ambulance service, Firemen, stadia designers, at this time of year too ?

[GC8]

How about just not being such a cock, all the time?

[mph1977]

ruff'n'smov said:

mph1977 said:

of all the times in the year to mock the hard work of people involved in stadiuum safety ... but then again this is PH ...

( for those hard of thinking , Hillsborough happened on the 15th April 89 and Bradford's fire was 11th May 85 )

And Ibrox was 2nd January 71... Do I make sure I don't take the piss out of St John's Ambulance, Coppers, Ambulance service, Firemen, stadia designers, at this time of year too ?

you've managed that as well in your reply haven't you but perhaps that is just pedantry over your inability to correctly name the organisation you picked out for special attention in that reply...

The simple fact with regard to stadium safety in the UK, much of the tombstone legislation there is relaes to that period as a whole, including Heysel and the ban from European competitions because of Hooliganism in League Association Football...

The level of idiocy seen at football stadia is not seen at other sports stadia - even the equally if not more 'working class' and Deeply tribal Rugby League ( as some will dismiss better behaviour at cricket or RU as a result of the better breeding of the stereotypical supporter).

Do you have any understanding of crowd safety, beyond the biased views of both 'sides' in the hillsborough story ?