Lane discipline getting worse ?

[Phatboy317]

Cyberprog said:

grumpyscot said:

I though Audis, BMWs and Land/Range Rovers weren't allowed in the inside lanes.

Cheeky sod! Some of us have to trundle along in the inside lane for fuel efficency!

...that's so you can make it as far as the next exit before running out of fuel

[bitchstewie]

RyanOPlastry said:

May be just me, or where I drive, but there seem to be more and more drivers who only drive in the RH lane on dual carriageways.

I see this a fair bit too - it's weird when they're behind you and intentionally pull out only to drive much slower.

I also seem to see more people "weaving" who seem unable to keep their car stable at speed - it's as if my car has some kind of gravitational pull when they overtake.

[TankRizzo]

Jasandjules said:

Not just lane discipline in the same direction, I am more frequently seeing people cut corners (A few times causing me to emergency stop to avoid a collision as I head to the junction), and people travelling in my lane when travelling in the opposite direction - even around blind corners..

This. These days if people are overtaking cyclists etc, the mindset is, well, I'll drive on the other side of the road regardless of what's coming, and it's up to them to get out of the way.

[Impasse]

I took daughter to her aunt and uncle's house yesterday evening, they live in the northern end of our home city. There's a only a few roads leading out of the city and the one we chose is dual carriageway with a 30 mph limit which threads its way through a non-residential area. Ahead I spy a company car, a Vauxhall Astra, resplendent in its firm's livery trundling along this empty road in the outside lane.

We catch up with it, only doing about 25-30 mph ourselves in the inside lane and having yet to change lanes since joining the dual carriageway, continue to pass this car on the inside.
Neither occupant seemed pleased about this manoeuvre of mine and scowled at me as I passed.

Still, if they wanted to comment in person, they should have switched their blue lights on and I'd have gladly pulled over for a chat.

[ging84]

Sheepshanks said:

I think it's funny when people carefully obey imaginary lanes on roundabouts - I always straight-line them.

I look forward to your insurance claim help thread
the good news for you is, despite it being entirely your fault, it will probably still go down as a 50/50 on insurance.

[AB]

ging84 said:

Sheepshanks said:

I think it's funny when people carefully obey imaginary lanes on roundabouts - I always straight-line them.

I look forward to your insurance claim help thread
the good news for you is, despite it being entirely your fault, it will probably still go down as a 50/50 on insurance.

Haha. I'm with Sheepshanks. Nowhere did he say that he'd do it with someone on the outside of him!

If I'm on a dual carriageway and straight-lining it will make no difference to anyone then why the hell would you not?

[anonymous-user]

AB said:

ging84 said:

Sheepshanks said:

I think it's funny when people carefully obey imaginary lanes on roundabouts - I always straight-line them.

I look forward to your insurance claim help thread
the good news for you is, despite it being entirely your fault, it will probably still go down as a 50/50 on insurance.

Haha. I'm with Sheepshanks. Nowhere did he say that he'd do it with someone on the outside of him!

If I'm on a dual carriageway and straight-lining it will make no difference to anyone then why the hell would you not?

Agree. Empty roundabout is effectively a 'straight' or slightly curved piece of road connecting 2 other sections of the road.

[shandyboy]

AB said:

ging84 said:

Sheepshanks said:

I think it's funny when people carefully obey imaginary lanes on roundabouts - I always straight-line them.

I look forward to your insurance claim help thread
the good news for you is, despite it being entirely your fault, it will probably still go down as a 50/50 on insurance.

Haha. I'm with Sheepshanks. Nowhere did he say that he'd do it with someone on the outside of him!

If I'm on a dual carriageway and straight-lining it will make no difference to anyone then why the hell would you not?

Because at some point you (or sheepshanks) will straight-line one without checking for that car in your blind-spot, or not see the one hidden by your over-sized A-pillar, then you've joined the ranks of roundabout f'wits. Well done.

If it's good practice to do it some of the time, why not do it all the time?

[SteveC72]

When 2 lanes go to 3 and those in lane 1 automatically move into lane 2 for no reason. I just can't understand the mentality of it.

[ging84]

garyhun said:

AB said:

ging84 said:

Sheepshanks said:

I think it's funny when people carefully obey imaginary lanes on roundabouts - I always straight-line them.

I look forward to your insurance claim help thread
the good news for you is, despite it being entirely your fault, it will probably still go down as a 50/50 on insurance.

Haha. I'm with Sheepshanks. Nowhere did he say that he'd do it with someone on the outside of him!

If I'm on a dual carriageway and straight-lining it will make no difference to anyone then why the hell would you not?

Agree. Empty roundabout is effectively a 'straight' or slightly curved piece of road connecting 2 other sections of the road.

there is a big difference between occasionally straight lining an empty round about, just like you can use the opposite side of the road to smooth out a corner, but someone who always does that, even if they are not going anywhere near fast enough to need to, is a fking idiot, and it's the same for a roundabout, you might think you are driving gods who would never let a car get into your blind spot without noticing, but your are not, you are accidents waiting to happen

[anonymous-user]

ging84 said:

garyhun said:

AB said:

ging84 said:

Sheepshanks said:

I think it's funny when people carefully obey imaginary lanes on roundabouts - I always straight-line them.

I look forward to your insurance claim help thread
the good news for you is, despite it being entirely your fault, it will probably still go down as a 50/50 on insurance.

Haha. I'm with Sheepshanks. Nowhere did he say that he'd do it with someone on the outside of him!

If I'm on a dual carriageway and straight-lining it will make no difference to anyone then why the hell would you not?

Agree. Empty roundabout is effectively a 'straight' or slightly curved piece of road connecting 2 other sections of the road.

there is a big difference between occasionally straight lining an empty round about, just like you can use the opposite side of the road to smooth out a corner, but someone who always does that, even if they are not going anywhere near fast enough to need to, is a fking idiot, and it's the same for a roundabout, you might think you are driving gods who would never let a car get into your blind spot without noticing, but your are not, you are accidents waiting to happen

I won't disagree with that.

[Toltec]

TankRizzo said:

This. These days if people are overtaking cyclists etc, the mindset is, well, I'll drive on the other side of the road regardless of what's coming, and it's up to them to get out of the way.

You see the same thing when they are passing parked cars.

[Toltec]

ging84 said:

there is a big difference between occasionally straight lining an empty round about, just like you can use the opposite side of the road to smooth out a corner, but someone who always does that, even if they are not going anywhere near fast enough to need to, is a fking idiot, and it's the same for a roundabout, you might think you are driving gods who would never let a car get into your blind spot without noticing, but your are not, you are accidents waiting to happen

I straight line motorways occasionally, when it is quiet, just for the hell of it and I am definitely not doing the kind of speed that would make that necessary.

[Sheepshanks]

ging84 said:

there is a big difference between occasionally straight lining an empty round about, just like you can use the opposite side of the road to smooth out a corner, but someone who always does that, even if they are not going anywhere near fast enough to need to, is a fking idiot, and it's the same for a roundabout, you might think you are driving gods who would never let a car get into your blind spot without noticing, but your are not, you are accidents waiting to happen

It just seems stupid to me to crawl around the imaginary outer lane of a tightish roundabout when you can carry much more speed by hitting the left 'apex' of the entrance and exit roads and the edge of the roundabout on the right. Saves fuel - tyre wear too.

If you're not capable of keeping a clear safety cell around you then go on a defensive driving course.

[AB]

garyhun said:

I won't disagree with that.

I will, because it's bullst.

[Cliftonite]

AB said:

garyhun said:

I won't disagree with that.

I will, because it's bullst.

No it's not. Although the main reason I do it is for smoothness, not speed. Excessive speed into a roundabout is likely to cause issue with joiners.

[Drive Blind]

RyanOPlastry said:

Does anyone else see this as a growing problem?

on my rush hour commute there are increasing numbers of drivers who will just not use lane 1. They dont even consider the traffic flow or the situation. It's slip road, get into lane 2 asap, tailgate car in front, then at their exit, swoop from lane 2 to the slip road at the 100m marker.

I see drivers slowing down and nearly stopping to force their way into a heavily congested lane 2 whilst they can see 7-800 meters of empty lane 1 in front of them.

[AB]

Exactly that! Smoothness and so you haven't got to do a huge semi circle for no reason.

I'm sure I'm not alone in looking around me well before a roundabout and if there's no other cars around then it an entirely pointless exercise not to do it.

I use the East Lancs a lot and the roundabouts on there are classic examples.

[anonymous-user]

Cliftonite said:

No it's not. Although the main reason I do it is for smoothness, not speed. Excessive speed into a roundabout is likely to cause issue with joiners.

It's not so much what you do, but how you do it

As a biker too, I always use a lifesaver before manoeuvring.

I also don't want to have an accident, so I won't approach a roundabout without being able to stop if the unexpected happens.

What happens in these discussions is that someone will say they do A and another poster will also assume B & C.

Both may be right!

[mph1977]

grumpyscot said:

I though Audis, BMWs and Land/Range Rovers weren't allowed in the inside lanes.

My rant is: Why do people not use the bus lanes when outwith the restricted times? And why give me the two fingers just because I do - and end up in front of them!

same as those who ignore 'use both lanes' and 'merge in turn' where there is a temporary ot permanent issue with the road dropping from 2 lanes to 1 and a desire to stop long single lane queues from forming.