Lane discipline getting worse ?
Discussion
SteveC72 said:
When 2 lanes go to 3 and those in lane 1 automatically move into lane 2 for no reason. I just can't understand the mentality of it.
On my commute home from work, the M25 slip road to the A3 becomes lane 1 of the A3; the A3 is three lanes until it goes over the M25, where it becomes two lanes and then becomes three lanes again when past the M25 with the slip road from the M25 becoming lane 1.People go along the sliproad and pull straight into lane 2 and just sit there with a completely empty lane 1 ahead, the A3 is bad generally for poor lane discipline, I've sat in an empty lane 1 for miles doing about 65; undertaking plenty of people.
jesta1865 said:
garyhun said:
I have to admit that on any motorway journeys I do, I have to undertake to make any form of progress these days. Even at 70!
you aren't the only one, i hate going down the inside of people, but if you flash them a couple of times and they still won't move over and i don't want to be a danger to lane 3 (diesel land rover) i go down their left hand side, and invariably stay in that lane for a few miles more.i have no issues with the person getting out into lane 2 to overtake, just get back to the left after you have and stuff is coming up behind you. i do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inT5wJn30Ro
I wasn't going to upload this as it's a hugely dull video - I guess if you drive a lot you probably come across countless numpties like this Toyota Avensis, bumbling along in lane 3 of a half empty motorway.
Phatboy317 said:
They've also been around for ages, except in the past they've tended to practice their craft on S/C roads - perhaps not quite as dangerous, but definitely annoying - especially when they don't indicate until the last moment.
I really don't see why they seem to go out of their way to position themselves so far over to the left, when if they stopped just a few inches further over then they wouldn't collect a whole long queue behind them.
Of course, the most annoying of this type are those who have just pushed in front of you at the previous intersection, only to hold you up for a second time.
I have a friend who when turning right in an urban situation will position himself so nobody can get up the inside of him. His POV is that nobody will try a 'risky' undertake, even though he is stationary. He's had a couple of rear end incidents.I really don't see why they seem to go out of their way to position themselves so far over to the left, when if they stopped just a few inches further over then they wouldn't collect a whole long queue behind them.
Of course, the most annoying of this type are those who have just pushed in front of you at the previous intersection, only to hold you up for a second time.
Edited by Phatboy317 on Friday 17th April 12:26
He always stops dead at roundabouts and sits at traffic lights in neutral (fair enough) but never looks to see when the lights are about to change. When they go green, there's a bit of a panic as he selects a gear, takes handbrake off etc. He's a lovely bloke, very well educated, but can't drive for toffee, no anticipation at all. Scary.
shandyboy said:
Because at some point you (or sheepshanks) will straight-line one without checking for that car in your blind-spot, or not see the one hidden by your over-sized A-pillar, then you've joined the ranks of roundabout f'wits. Well done.
If it's good practice to do it some of the time, why not do it all the time?
A quick google of 'is it ok to straightline a roundabout Police Roadcraft' amongst other info will suggest it's fine when appropriate as it's safer.If it's good practice to do it some of the time, why not do it all the time?
If a car is close enough to clobber when straightlining a roundabout, an A pillar isn't really going to hide it, is it? And where was it on the approach to the roundabout? Bizarre thought process.
Anyway, you stick to your 'lane discipline' method as it's clearly a bit much for you to be confident about what's around you....
Edited by andygo on Friday 17th April 19:16
This drives me nuts! It's two type of people who create this lane discipline problem.
1) Not aware. You're not checking your rear view mirror enough to see someone wants to pass you.
2) You feel entitled to be in that lane because you're going at the speed limit.
I'll be honest, 80% of my driving style is spirited, I'm trying to get somewhere (especially when I'm working). 20% of the time when I'm just cruising, I'll always stick in the left lane (I've even sat behind lorries on the motorway before). When I'm overtaking, I put my foot down, and then move back. I've seen a BMW tailgaiting a clio on the M40 and they were both clearly doing late 90s-tonne on a long stretch with 100% visibility. I could tell the clio driver felt entitled to be the in that lane because he was putting his foot down, even though the left lane was empty!!! It's crazy.
This is why so much undertaking is happening on the roads.
1) Not aware. You're not checking your rear view mirror enough to see someone wants to pass you.
2) You feel entitled to be in that lane because you're going at the speed limit.
I'll be honest, 80% of my driving style is spirited, I'm trying to get somewhere (especially when I'm working). 20% of the time when I'm just cruising, I'll always stick in the left lane (I've even sat behind lorries on the motorway before). When I'm overtaking, I put my foot down, and then move back. I've seen a BMW tailgaiting a clio on the M40 and they were both clearly doing late 90s-tonne on a long stretch with 100% visibility. I could tell the clio driver felt entitled to be the in that lane because he was putting his foot down, even though the left lane was empty!!! It's crazy.
This is why so much undertaking is happening on the roads.
It's ridiculous. I'd love a job handing out tickets to people who hog the middle lane. I'd be doing it in a Lambo before the year's out! I undertake a lot just to keep my stress levels down, I wonder how an policemen would react if he saw me doing it though - it would only take a couple of minutes at the side of the road to show him why I was doing it!
rongagin said:
Maybe those driving in the right hand lanes are used to driving on the right?
Interesting that you should mention that, because it touches upon my views on the matter.The British have far more of a hang-up about keeping left than many other countries do (in many of them that should of course read keeping right). The French used to be very much like us about keeping on the "correct" side of the road, and time was when you were in the wrong lane on a motorway somebody would be sitting on your arse blowing their horn and flashing their lights. That no longer seems to apply at least in Northern France, and I have a suspicion that British drivers have taught them bad habits.
There are many countries where this sort of thing doesn't apply - "find a lane you like the look of and stay in it" is a rule that applies officially or unofficially in, for example, the USA Canada and South Africa.
I dare say there are many more and it is not impossible that people who have migrated to this country have brought their home-grown driving techniques with them.
Personally I think that, given time, people getting would up about other people failing to keep left on UK roads may go the same way as the French who used to take umbrage about people who didn't use yellow headlights. At the end of the day it is, after all, no more than a local convention.
AyBee said:
It's ridiculous. I'd love a job handing out tickets to people who hog the middle lane. I'd be doing it in a Lambo before the year's out! I undertake a lot just to keep my stress levels down, I wonder how an policemen would react if he saw me doing it though - it would only take a couple of minutes at the side of the road to show him why I was doing it!
Tell me about it! Get pulled over for undertaking or slam brakes as to not smash into the car going 45mph in the middle lane of a motorway (something I saw on the M23 a couple of days go) I'd be the first to sign up to give tickets for lane hogging. I have no qualms about people "speeding" on the motorway, with todays cars, the limit should be higher. Lane hogging is the real issue. I don't really know what the solution is tbh, because the 1st lane is filled with lorries going 50mph. Don't even get me started on lorries overtaking each other...
techniques said:
Tell me about it! Get pulled over for undertaking or slam brakes as to not smash into the car going 45mph in the middle lane of a motorway (something I saw on the M23 a couple of days go)
I'd be the first to sign up to give tickets for lane hogging. I have no qualms about people "speeding" on the motorway, with todays cars, the limit should be higher. Lane hogging is the real issue. I don't really know what the solution is tbh, because the 1st lane is filled with lorries going 50mph. Don't even get me started on lorries overtaking each other...
Explain why trucks should not overtake ?? they have as much right to use the road as you I'd be the first to sign up to give tickets for lane hogging. I have no qualms about people "speeding" on the motorway, with todays cars, the limit should be higher. Lane hogging is the real issue. I don't really know what the solution is tbh, because the 1st lane is filled with lorries going 50mph. Don't even get me started on lorries overtaking each other...
not the drivers / owners fault that the limiters are set well below their maximum legal speed.
Do you know the limits of Vans & Trucks ?? or any road vehicle for that matter ??
Perhaps car drivers should be set - limited by ECU to 66 MPH then see how you cope with that - Discuss ??
2 lane roundabouts seem to be under flak at the moment too, I've lost count of the times people going straight ahead have tried to straight line the roundabout when I'm on the inside of them, this is despite us forming the queue onto the roundabout next to each other so they should know a car is there.
I have a sense now of who is about to do it so find myself hanging back to see what they do.
I have a sense now of who is about to do it so find myself hanging back to see what they do.
SVTRick said:
Perhaps car drivers should be set - limited by ECU to 66 MPH then see how you cope with that - Discuss ??
You would see the same kind of "elephant racing" which you now see with lorries, except multiplied by a hundredfold and at a slightly higher speed, and also across the entire motorway rather than limited to the two inside lanes.That's one of many problems which are or can be caused by setting speed limits too low.
As I am led to believe that every inch of our motorway network has CCTV coverage would it not be possible to film / record these overtaking lane hogs , send them 3 points / fine in the post ,accompanied by photo graphic evidence ???
Repeat offenders would eventually find themselves confined to public transport while the rest of us would be enjoying less congested roads .
Repeat offenders would eventually find themselves confined to public transport while the rest of us would be enjoying less congested roads .
johnS2000 said:
As I am led to believe that every inch of our motorway network has CCTV coverage would it not be possible to film / record these overtaking lane hogs , send them 3 points / fine in the post ,accompanied by photo graphic evidence ???
Repeat offenders would eventually find themselves confined to public transport while the rest of us would be enjoying less congested roads .
Be careful what you wish for. Others' perfectly safe, nearside overtaking that these morons' actions lead to would also be punished.Repeat offenders would eventually find themselves confined to public transport while the rest of us would be enjoying less congested roads .
Matt_N said:
2 lane roundabouts seem to be under flak at the moment too, I've lost count of the times people going straight ahead have tried to straight line the roundabout when I'm on the inside of them, this is despite us forming the queue onto the roundabout next to each other so they should know a car is there.
I have a sense now of who is about to do it so find myself hanging back to see what they do.
That's the defensive driving safety cell thing - you should either get ahead or hang back, don't get caught next to people. I have a sense now of who is about to do it so find myself hanging back to see what they do.
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