Driver fined for failing to display tax disc
Discussion
telecat said:
The Image of the ticket clearly says that it is issued for no Tax disc. Torquay have cleared it up stating he needed the Permit and a Blue badge. Still means they need to train the wardens and or change the software as they have not given the correct reasons for the ticket issue.
This one??
At the top, it says he was being issued a penalty notice, because he did not have a valid parking ticket on display.
Further down, in the section that contains all of the details for the vehicle, the operator entered the words NONE under the tax disc section, as there was no disc present - hence nothing derogatory, like 'out of date' or 'counterfeit' was there.
Whatever, its NOT the reason for the ticket, the reason is written at the top.
Only the article wording is (Wrongly) claiming he was targeted for not showing a tax disc. When its clearly stated AT THE TOP of the penalty notice, why that notice is being issued.
In summary - failure to display a ticket.
The dispute is that he claims he need not, as he had a permit displayed.
However, if he had a permit on clear display (and assuming that are in wide usage), then why did the parking attendant not see it (and assume a non paying pay/display customer).
Its simply his word (and the articles word) against the attendants, that it WAS there.
Otherwise, I would expect half the cars in the car park to have also got a ticket, as all there tax discs would be missing. That definitely would have made the wail.
I am afraid, you have to put this one down to misleading journalism.
Edited by Hol on Thursday 23 April 16:02
I just googled Code 83, the penalty code on the notice (and washed my hands afterwards) and it has nought to do with Tax Discs:
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/penalty-charge-notice-p...
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/penalty-charge-notice-p...
telecat said:
The Image of the ticket clearly says that it is issued for no Tax disc. Torquay have cleared it up stating he needed the Permit and a Blue badge. Still means they need to train the wardens and or change the software as they have not given the correct reasons for the ticket issue.
Are you for real? Have you read any of this thread?No matter how many times you say the PCN is for lack of a tax disc you are still wrong.
Mention on the 'ticket' of a tax disc relates to the era when tax discs existed. It has nowt to do with the current offence.
But the software /stationery used hasn't been updated. That is all.
O.K. ?
telecat said:
The Image of the ticket clearly says that it is issued for no Tax disc. Torquay have cleared it up stating he needed the Permit and a Blue badge. Still means they need to train the wardens and or change the software as they have not given the correct reasons for the ticket issue.
Are you serious or just trolling?Read the "reason". What the ticket should say is that the Driver "failed to display all the relevant permits". He should not have had to buy the Pay and Display ticket as he displayed a Parking permit. He failed to also display His disabled badge which validates his Parking Permit hence the ticket.
telecat said:
Read the "reason". What the ticket should say is that the Driver "failed to display all the relevant permits". He should not have had to buy the Pay and Display ticket as he displayed a Parking permit. He failed to also display His disabled badge which validates his Parking Permit hence the ticket.
I know its not clear in the picture, but that line does not say 'REASON'.
It's full wording is 'REASON NO TAX DISK'. the operator has added his comment, from the available list of comments in his handset, selecting 'TAX DISC NONE'.
We can debate why he selected that comment all day, but seeing as the story did not state that he also did it to every other car without a valid tax disc (Gotta be 40% of cars on the road now with no disc) - is it not a logical assumption that its just a legacy entry, as it wasn't worth the £Millions of taxpayers money to update it. (It was heralded as a cost-saver remember!).
Pink Shirt 'claims' he displayed a permit on his dashboard at the time of the offence. That's really his only defence, as the ticket for code 083, would indicate that he did not.
He might own one - but that does not prove he displayed it.
How it got into the papers, is probably down to whom he knows that works for the paper.
It's full wording is 'REASON NO TAX DISK'. the operator has added his comment, from the available list of comments in his handset, selecting 'TAX DISC NONE'.
We can debate why he selected that comment all day, but seeing as the story did not state that he also did it to every other car without a valid tax disc (Gotta be 40% of cars on the road now with no disc) - is it not a logical assumption that its just a legacy entry, as it wasn't worth the £Millions of taxpayers money to update it. (It was heralded as a cost-saver remember!).
Pink Shirt 'claims' he displayed a permit on his dashboard at the time of the offence. That's really his only defence, as the ticket for code 083, would indicate that he did not.
He might own one - but that does not prove he displayed it.
How it got into the papers, is probably down to whom he knows that works for the paper.
telecat said:
Read the "reason". What the ticket should say is that the Driver "failed to display all the relevant permits". He should not have had to buy the Pay and Display ticket as he displayed a Parking permit. He failed to also display His disabled badge which validates his Parking Permit hence the ticket.
It doesn't say:Reason : No Tax Disc
It says:
Reason no Tax Disc : Tax Disc none
I.e. It is the reason no tax disc details are recorded on the ticket not the reason for issuing the ticket.
Cat
As my point was that the Original confusion was caused by the ticket having that on it. The Guy is entitled to park without a Pay and display ticket providing he displays his Permit and disabled badge. What failed is the process of telling him why he was fined as the Penalty ticket not only blatantly fails to tell him that, but it also gives an invalid reason for the Penalty ticket to be issued. Hence his failure is not to buy a Pay and Display ticket but to not display his Permit and Disabled badge in lieu of a Pay and Display ticket. The Council's failure is to issue a Fine stating an incorrect reason for the fine.
telecat said:
As my point was that the Original confusion was caused by the ticket having that on it. The Guy is entitled to park without a Pay and display ticket providing he displays his Permit and disabled badge. What failed is the process of telling him why he was fined as the Penalty ticket not only blatantly fails to tell him that, but it also gives an invalid reason for the Penalty ticket to be issued. Hence his failure is not to buy a Pay and Display ticket but to not display his Permit and Disabled badge in lieu of a Pay and Display ticket. The Council's failure is to issue a Fine stating an incorrect reason for the fine.
How have the council issued a ticket with the incorrect reason on it? If you don't display your permit and blue badge how is the parking warden meant to know you are entitled to them? Perhaps a further permit could be issued stating the holder has a disabled permit and blue badge. That way if the driver failed to display them the warden would know to issue a ticket for failing to display those as opposed to failing to display a pay and display ticket. 
Cat
Right at the top of the screen grab it clearly states the reason he got a f
king ticket.
It's not complicated is it. He wasn't displaying a pay and display ticket, and had no other valid permit on display.
The thing about the tax disc is just a legacy entry. The last time I got a parking ticket it had a field for tax disc details which the officer filled in (unfortunately mine was out of date at the time too!)
I can't understand how this is-
a) In the paper
b) Being misunderstood by people who should know better....
king ticket.It's not complicated is it. He wasn't displaying a pay and display ticket, and had no other valid permit on display.
The thing about the tax disc is just a legacy entry. The last time I got a parking ticket it had a field for tax disc details which the officer filled in (unfortunately mine was out of date at the time too!)
I can't understand how this is-
a) In the paper
b) Being misunderstood by people who should know better....
Hol said:
I just googled Code 83, the penalty code on the notice (and washed my hands afterwards) and it has nought to do with Tax Discs:
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/penalty-charge-notice-p...
You got me excited, wife upstairs, safe search turned off, i googled it in a private browsing tab, gave me images of model railway track, i presume 83 is one of the gaugeshttp://www.nidirect.gov.uk/penalty-charge-notice-p...
ging84 said:
Hol said:
I just googled Code 83, the penalty code on the notice (and washed my hands afterwards) and it has nought to do with Tax Discs:
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/penalty-charge-notice-p...
You got me excited, wife upstairs, safe search turned off, i googled it in a private browsing tab, gave me images of model railway track, i presume 83 is one of the gaugeshttp://www.nidirect.gov.uk/penalty-charge-notice-p...
Somebody in the lounge reckoned that if you google yourself too many times, you can go blind.
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