Driving with no number plates on vehicle
Discussion
Motor trader with trade policy. Member of staff collected a vehicle from car auction. The car had undergone a plate transfer so only had the old and incorrect plate in the vehicle. These had been removed. Auction usually have the new or correct plate made up. They hadn't .
Staff member was driving car and had front trade plate in windscreen and the rear trade plate in the rear window (convertible Z4)
Rear trade plate fell out and was quite tricky to affix. Police officer in Hyundai stops him and was incredibly irate and rude from the get go with calm staff member. Long and short he issued him a fixed penalty for failure to display registration mark. In the context is this the correct route to go down? I feel it's a bit out of order and having personally been stopped in a vehicle previously while on plates by a pair of polite traffic officers in a Volvo they even said its hard work getting those trade plates to stay put.
Anyone's thoughts before we decide to pay this?
Staff member was driving car and had front trade plate in windscreen and the rear trade plate in the rear window (convertible Z4)
Rear trade plate fell out and was quite tricky to affix. Police officer in Hyundai stops him and was incredibly irate and rude from the get go with calm staff member. Long and short he issued him a fixed penalty for failure to display registration mark. In the context is this the correct route to go down? I feel it's a bit out of order and having personally been stopped in a vehicle previously while on plates by a pair of polite traffic officers in a Volvo they even said its hard work getting those trade plates to stay put.
Anyone's thoughts before we decide to pay this?
Motor trader with trade policy. Member of staff collected a vehicle from car auction. The car had undergone a plate transfer so only had the old and incorrect plate in the vehicle. These had been removed. Auction usually have the new or correct plate made up. They hadn't .
Staff member was driving car and had front trade plate in windscreen and the rear trade plate in the rear window (convertible Z4)
Rear trade plate fell out and was quite tricky to affix. Police officer in Hyundai stops him and was incredibly irate and rude from the get go with calm staff member. Long and short he issued him a fixed penalty for failure to display registration mark. In the context is this the correct route to go down? I feel it's a bit out of order and having personally been stopped in a vehicle previously while on plates by a pair of polite traffic officers in a Volvo they even said its hard work getting those trade plates to stay put.
Anyone's thoughts before we decide to pay this?
Staff member was driving car and had front trade plate in windscreen and the rear trade plate in the rear window (convertible Z4)
Rear trade plate fell out and was quite tricky to affix. Police officer in Hyundai stops him and was incredibly irate and rude from the get go with calm staff member. Long and short he issued him a fixed penalty for failure to display registration mark. In the context is this the correct route to go down? I feel it's a bit out of order and having personally been stopped in a vehicle previously while on plates by a pair of polite traffic officers in a Volvo they even said its hard work getting those trade plates to stay put.
Anyone's thoughts before we decide to pay this?
It seems odd that in 100 years of motoring, the problem of properly displaying trade plates hasn't been solved.
I remember in the olden days when it was more usual to see an artic with no plate, chalked on number or the wrong plate than it was to see one with a proper plate. Now they are 99% correct, surely trade plates can't be that impossible to get right, unless you can't be bothered of course.
I remember in the olden days when it was more usual to see an artic with no plate, chalked on number or the wrong plate than it was to see one with a proper plate. Now they are 99% correct, surely trade plates can't be that impossible to get right, unless you can't be bothered of course.
CrutyRammers said:
What a waste of everyone's time.
yep, whilst it is technically an absolute offence, its not really in the spirit of what the offence was intended for.ie, intended for people driving around purposefully with no plates, not for traders trade plate falling out whilst driving.
V8 Fettler said:
The level of curmudgeonliness at PH has reached new heights. Beyond parody!
Firstly, excellent word - curmudgeon - I want to use it more often.Secondly, compare and contrast with the duplicate thread further up the page* and it's a completely different set of answers.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
- correct at the time of print**
- but I've just realised that by posting this it'll be below this post.***
- * I've now just spotted that using * results in bullet point and not *.
Edited by hondafanatic on Thursday 23 April 13:18
Edited by hondafanatic on Thursday 23 April 13:18
Fantastic.
The Mad Monk said:
Why wasn't the front plate displayed on the front of the car?
Why wasn't the rear number plate displayed on the rear of the car?
Who says the policeman was rude?
Who says the staff member was calm?
What does 'get go' mean?
Speaking from experience with trade plates, if you try and put them actually on the front and rear of the car they simply flap about in the wind, turn over and damage paintwork.Why wasn't the rear number plate displayed on the rear of the car?
Who says the policeman was rude?
Who says the staff member was calm?
What does 'get go' mean?
If the original plate had been displayed I guess they might exercise some discretion as they should at least be able to trace the VIN and from that old or current registered keeper. It would probably ping for no tax/insurance coming from an auction, assuming the previous owner had cancelled insurance and notified of disposal into the trade. With nothing on display they don't stand a chance so not surprised he got both barrels.
I know it's common practice to chuck them in the windows on modern cars, but legally they should always be displayed where the original plate is located. As well as the rubber band to go round the boot catch I'm surprised nobody knocks up brackets that allow you to clip it over a standard plate
I know it's common practice to chuck them in the windows on modern cars, but legally they should always be displayed where the original plate is located. As well as the rubber band to go round the boot catch I'm surprised nobody knocks up brackets that allow you to clip it over a standard plate
Adrian E said:
If the original plate had been displayed I guess they might exercise some discretion as they should at least be able to trace the VIN and from that old or current registered keeper. It would probably ping for no tax/insurance coming from an auction, assuming the previous owner had cancelled insurance and notified of disposal into the trade. With nothing on display they don't stand a chance so not surprised he got both barrels.
I know it's common practice to chuck them in the windows on modern cars, but legally they should always be displayed where the original plate is located. As well as the rubber band to go round the boot catch I'm surprised nobody knocks up brackets that allow you to clip it over a standard plate
Two inch wide strips of bicycle inner tubes(big wide elastic bands) work wonders at holding trade plates over existing plates. I know it's common practice to chuck them in the windows on modern cars, but legally they should always be displayed where the original plate is located. As well as the rubber band to go round the boot catch I'm surprised nobody knocks up brackets that allow you to clip it over a standard plate
JimmyConwayNW said:
Motor trader with trade policy. Member of staff collected a vehicle from car auction. The car had undergone a plate transfer so only had the old and incorrect plate in the vehicle. These had been removed. Auction usually have the new or correct plate made up. They hadn't .
So sounds like the auction houses fault then, or whoever decided to drive the car in spite of not having the plates?JimmyConwayNW said:
Long and short he issued him a fixed penalty for failure to display registration mark. In the context is this the correct route to go down? I feel it's a bit out of order and having personally been stopped in a vehicle previously while on plates by a pair of polite traffic officers in a Volvo they even said its hard work getting those trade plates to stay put.
Your argument seems to be that it's unfair that discretion went against you this time. Unfortunately I don't believe there is anything wrong (legally) with issuing a fixed penalty notice for the offence. They aren't obliged to only dish out a warning, or a VDRS. If that's all they ever did then it wouldn't actually be an offence anyone would care about, would it? As is often the case with this and other offences where discretion changes the outcome significantly people seem to think that discretion only "works" when it's in their favour.
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