Driving with no number plates on vehicle

Driving with no number plates on vehicle

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The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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NinjaPower said:
Here in the real world, where we move quite a number of cars per day from dealership to body repair and back again, it is almost impossible to attach a trade plate to a vehicle so that it won't swing about, scratch the paint, and possibly fall off.

Yes, you could 'gaffer tape' them on but that would require an arduous process to both apply and remove each time, wasting considerable time. Tape residue makes a mess and is time consuming to remove.

We just put them in the front and rear windows and haven't had a problem. It's quick, doesn't damage the car and they won't fall off.
Unfortunately, in a civilised society, because something takes a long time to do, that isn't sufficient reason to break the law.

Yes, I know it's tough, but that's the way it is.

MGZTV8

591 posts

149 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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JimmyConwayNW said:
I mention Hyundai as I assumed it was given to more lower ranking police officers i could be wrong. Seems a bit of a joey that would be in one of them versus the unmarked X5 types.
Wrong. Wrong, Wrong.

There is no pecking order based on the model of vehicle and I suspect that your opinion of the Officer being a "Joey" as you so eloquently put it is purely because of what has happened.

I dread to think what a van driver would be classed as in your perceived rank structure.

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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MGZTV8 said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
I mention Hyundai as I assumed it was given to more lower ranking police officers i could be wrong. Seems a bit of a joey that would be in one of them versus the unmarked X5 types.
Wrong. Wrong, Wrong.

There is no pecking order based on the model of vehicle and I suspect that your opinion of the Officer being a "Joey" as you so eloquently put it is purely because of what has happened.

I dread to think what a van driver would be classed as in your perceived rank structure.
obviously has the Detective defective Attitude towards 'rank' that presumes CID and white topped Constables are senior to woodentop sgts ...

MGZTV8

591 posts

149 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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mph1977 said:
obviously has the Detective defective Attitude towards 'rank' that presumes CID and white topped Constables are senior to woodentop sgts ...
Indeed....

shakotan

10,695 posts

196 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Displaying ONLY trade plates is only permissible if the vehicle is not yet registered. If the vehicle is registered then trade plates may be used ALONGSIDE the existing plate, not not instead of.

Failure to display a Registration Mark is the offence, regardless of whether the rear trade plate was visible or not.

jhfozzy

1,345 posts

190 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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shakotan said:
Displaying ONLY trade plates is only permissible if the vehicle is not yet registered. If the vehicle is registered then trade plates may be used ALONGSIDE the existing plate, not not instead of.

Failure to display a Registration Mark is the offence, regardless of whether the rear trade plate was visible or not.
gomotortrade said:
Where do you put trade plates?

According to regulation 42 of the 2002 ‘the trade plates issued by the Secretary of State shall be fixed to and displayed on the vehicle in such a manner that, if the general registration mark assigned to the holder were a registration mark assigned to the vehicle, the provisions of regulations 5 and 6 of the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 would be complied with’.

Trade plates need to be placed on a vehicle in the same way as your ordinary registration plates. This means they would have to cover the original registration number at the front and the back.

It is not legal for the plates to be displayed anywhere else within the vehicle e.g. on the dashboard.
From here - http://www.gomotortrade.co.uk/motortrade-blog/need...

Legislation covering trade plates.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2742/part/...

ETA: A bit of personal experience. We have been told to tape up the vehicle's existing number plate so they are unreadable if we are using trade plates.

Edited by jhfozzy on Friday 24th April 12:00

shakotan

10,695 posts

196 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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jhfozzy said:
shakotan said:
Displaying ONLY trade plates is only permissible if the vehicle is not yet registered. If the vehicle is registered then trade plates may be used ALONGSIDE the existing plate, not not instead of.

Failure to display a Registration Mark is the offence, regardless of whether the rear trade plate was visible or not.
gomotortrade said:
Where do you put trade plates?

According to regulation 42 of the 2002 ‘the trade plates issued by the Secretary of State shall be fixed to and displayed on the vehicle in such a manner that, if the general registration mark assigned to the holder were a registration mark assigned to the vehicle, the provisions of regulations 5 and 6 of the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 would be complied with’.

Trade plates need to be placed on a vehicle in the same way as your ordinary registration plates. This means they would have to cover the original registration number at the front and the back.

It is not legal for the plates to be displayed anywhere else within the vehicle e.g. on the dashboard.
From here - http://www.gomotortrade.co.uk/motortrade-blog/need...

Legislation covering trade plates.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2742/part/...

ETA: A bit of personal experience. We have been told to tape up the vehicle's existing number plate so they are unreadable if we are using trade plates.

Edited by jhfozzy on Friday 24th April 12:00
That Legislation doesn't say to cover the existing Registration Marks, it says that the Trade Paltes must also conform to the Display of Registration Marks Legislation. Covering the existing VRM means it is impossible to ID the vehicle for the purposes on ensuring it has current MOT.

V8forweekends

2,481 posts

124 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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JimmyConwayNW said:
I mention Hyundai as I assumed it was given to more lower ranking police officers i could be wrong. Seems a bit of a joey that would be in one of them versus the unmarked X5 types.
Jesus.

JimmyConwayNW

Original Poster:

3,065 posts

125 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Lesson learned for future sounds like he was just doing his job. Would discretion have been nice? Yes. Was there any reason for him to let off the driver? No as he was doing something wrong.


Jagmanv12

1,573 posts

164 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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shakotan said:
If the vehicle is registered then trade plates may be used ALONGSIDE the existing plate, not not instead of.
Wrong. The official information received with trade plates states the trade plates should cover the normal plates. Whilst that is the regulation on a large number of cars that is not possible. It is another case of a law that needs changing to suit the current situation.

Edited by Jagmanv12 on Friday 24th April 20:00

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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JimmyConwayNW said:
Lesson learned for future sounds like he was just doing his job. Would discretion have been nice? Yes. Was there any reason for him to let off the driver? No as he was doing something wrong.
Perhaps your driver failed the attitude test?

Perhaps he emulated you and called him a joey? (Whatever that is).

Jonsv8

7,227 posts

124 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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The Mad Monk said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Lesson learned for future sounds like he was just doing his job. Would discretion have been nice? Yes. Was there any reason for him to let off the driver? No as he was doing something wrong.
Perhaps your driver failed the attitude test?

Perhaps he emulated you and called him a joey? (Whatever that is).
Give the guy a break now, how often do you ever see someone put their hand up on here.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?
Second time you've asked that daft question. He's pointing out it wasn't a traffic officer.

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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mybrainhurts said:
V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?
Second time you've asked that daft question. He's pointing out it wasn't a traffic officer.
all police officers are required to demonstrate competencies in basic policing of road traffic matters as part oftheir probationary / student officer competencies ...

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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mph1977 said:
mybrainhurts said:
V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?
Second time you've asked that daft question. He's pointing out it wasn't a traffic officer.
all police officers are required to demonstrate competencies in basic policing of road traffic matters as part oftheir probationary / student officer competencies ...
Yes, I know. I saw one the other day, looking for an address, driving the wrong way up a one way street.



mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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mybrainhurts said:
mph1977 said:
mybrainhurts said:
V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?
Second time you've asked that daft question. He's pointing out it wasn't a traffic officer.
all police officers are required to demonstrate competencies in basic policing of road traffic matters as part oftheir probationary / student officer competencies ...
Yes, I know. I saw one the other day, looking for an address, driving the wrong way up a one way street.
i'm not biting as it;s like wrestling with pigs ( of the livestock variety) dealing with you and your similarly delusional dmates

Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Jagmanv12 said:
Whilst that is the regulation on a large number of cars that is not possible.
This is the biggest problem. Pedestrian crash safety now means bumper covers are large plastic things with no way of using the crappy rubber straps around them to fix a trade plate to a car.

I've spent the last six years selling US cars in the UK. There is no provision for a US sized trade plate which meant they didn't fit the rear bumper recess. A lot of US cars don't have front plates which made fitting a trade plate even harder.

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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V8forweekends said:
It seems odd that in 100 years of motoring, the problem of properly displaying trade plates hasn't been solved.

I remember in the olden days when it was more usual to see an artic with no plate, chalked on number or the wrong plate than it was to see one with a proper plate. Now they are 99% correct, surely trade plates can't be that impossible to get right, unless you can't be bothered of course.
Theyre really quite difficult to display legally and very prone to falling off. PC was a wally, because this is common knowledge.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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mph1977 said:
mybrainhurts said:
mph1977 said:
mybrainhurts said:
V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?
Second time you've asked that daft question. He's pointing out it wasn't a traffic officer.
all police officers are required to demonstrate competencies in basic policing of road traffic matters as part oftheir probationary / student officer competencies ...
Yes, I know. I saw one the other day, looking for an address, driving the wrong way up a one way street.
i'm not biting as it;s like wrestling with pigs ( of the livestock variety) dealing with you and your similarly delusional dmates
How delightful. There's nothing to bite, I was showing your post was irrelevant.

OP mentioned police car type. Someone asked why. I pointed out the obvious answer, namely the car type was used to paint a picture of what happened, indicating a traffic officer was not involved.

Then you came in with the spurious comment that all officers are trained to deal with traffic. If you put a bit of effort into understanding the gist of the conversation, rather than odd isolated words, you wouldn't have this problem. You're not alone, happens quite a lot around here. HTH.

Wills2

22,822 posts

175 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?
Well it would explain why the policeman was in a bad mood.