Driving with no number plates on vehicle
Discussion
NinjaPower said:
Here in the real world, where we move quite a number of cars per day from dealership to body repair and back again, it is almost impossible to attach a trade plate to a vehicle so that it won't swing about, scratch the paint, and possibly fall off.
Yes, you could 'gaffer tape' them on but that would require an arduous process to both apply and remove each time, wasting considerable time. Tape residue makes a mess and is time consuming to remove.
We just put them in the front and rear windows and haven't had a problem. It's quick, doesn't damage the car and they won't fall off.
Unfortunately, in a civilised society, because something takes a long time to do, that isn't sufficient reason to break the law.Yes, you could 'gaffer tape' them on but that would require an arduous process to both apply and remove each time, wasting considerable time. Tape residue makes a mess and is time consuming to remove.
We just put them in the front and rear windows and haven't had a problem. It's quick, doesn't damage the car and they won't fall off.
Yes, I know it's tough, but that's the way it is.
JimmyConwayNW said:
I mention Hyundai as I assumed it was given to more lower ranking police officers i could be wrong. Seems a bit of a joey that would be in one of them versus the unmarked X5 types.
Wrong. Wrong, Wrong.There is no pecking order based on the model of vehicle and I suspect that your opinion of the Officer being a "Joey" as you so eloquently put it is purely because of what has happened.
I dread to think what a van driver would be classed as in your perceived rank structure.
MGZTV8 said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
I mention Hyundai as I assumed it was given to more lower ranking police officers i could be wrong. Seems a bit of a joey that would be in one of them versus the unmarked X5 types.
Wrong. Wrong, Wrong.There is no pecking order based on the model of vehicle and I suspect that your opinion of the Officer being a "Joey" as you so eloquently put it is purely because of what has happened.
I dread to think what a van driver would be classed as in your perceived rank structure.
Displaying ONLY trade plates is only permissible if the vehicle is not yet registered. If the vehicle is registered then trade plates may be used ALONGSIDE the existing plate, not not instead of.
Failure to display a Registration Mark is the offence, regardless of whether the rear trade plate was visible or not.
Failure to display a Registration Mark is the offence, regardless of whether the rear trade plate was visible or not.
shakotan said:
Displaying ONLY trade plates is only permissible if the vehicle is not yet registered. If the vehicle is registered then trade plates may be used ALONGSIDE the existing plate, not not instead of.
Failure to display a Registration Mark is the offence, regardless of whether the rear trade plate was visible or not.
Failure to display a Registration Mark is the offence, regardless of whether the rear trade plate was visible or not.
gomotortrade said:
Where do you put trade plates?
According to regulation 42 of the 2002 ‘the trade plates issued by the Secretary of State shall be fixed to and displayed on the vehicle in such a manner that, if the general registration mark assigned to the holder were a registration mark assigned to the vehicle, the provisions of regulations 5 and 6 of the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 would be complied with’.
Trade plates need to be placed on a vehicle in the same way as your ordinary registration plates. This means they would have to cover the original registration number at the front and the back.
It is not legal for the plates to be displayed anywhere else within the vehicle e.g. on the dashboard.
From here - http://www.gomotortrade.co.uk/motortrade-blog/need...According to regulation 42 of the 2002 ‘the trade plates issued by the Secretary of State shall be fixed to and displayed on the vehicle in such a manner that, if the general registration mark assigned to the holder were a registration mark assigned to the vehicle, the provisions of regulations 5 and 6 of the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 would be complied with’.
Trade plates need to be placed on a vehicle in the same way as your ordinary registration plates. This means they would have to cover the original registration number at the front and the back.
It is not legal for the plates to be displayed anywhere else within the vehicle e.g. on the dashboard.
Legislation covering trade plates.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2742/part/...
ETA: A bit of personal experience. We have been told to tape up the vehicle's existing number plate so they are unreadable if we are using trade plates.
Edited by jhfozzy on Friday 24th April 12:00
jhfozzy said:
shakotan said:
Displaying ONLY trade plates is only permissible if the vehicle is not yet registered. If the vehicle is registered then trade plates may be used ALONGSIDE the existing plate, not not instead of.
Failure to display a Registration Mark is the offence, regardless of whether the rear trade plate was visible or not.
Failure to display a Registration Mark is the offence, regardless of whether the rear trade plate was visible or not.
gomotortrade said:
Where do you put trade plates?
According to regulation 42 of the 2002 ‘the trade plates issued by the Secretary of State shall be fixed to and displayed on the vehicle in such a manner that, if the general registration mark assigned to the holder were a registration mark assigned to the vehicle, the provisions of regulations 5 and 6 of the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 would be complied with’.
Trade plates need to be placed on a vehicle in the same way as your ordinary registration plates. This means they would have to cover the original registration number at the front and the back.
It is not legal for the plates to be displayed anywhere else within the vehicle e.g. on the dashboard.
From here - http://www.gomotortrade.co.uk/motortrade-blog/need...According to regulation 42 of the 2002 ‘the trade plates issued by the Secretary of State shall be fixed to and displayed on the vehicle in such a manner that, if the general registration mark assigned to the holder were a registration mark assigned to the vehicle, the provisions of regulations 5 and 6 of the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 would be complied with’.
Trade plates need to be placed on a vehicle in the same way as your ordinary registration plates. This means they would have to cover the original registration number at the front and the back.
It is not legal for the plates to be displayed anywhere else within the vehicle e.g. on the dashboard.
Legislation covering trade plates.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2742/part/...
ETA: A bit of personal experience. We have been told to tape up the vehicle's existing number plate so they are unreadable if we are using trade plates.
Edited by jhfozzy on Friday 24th April 12:00
shakotan said:
If the vehicle is registered then trade plates may be used ALONGSIDE the existing plate, not not instead of.
Wrong. The official information received with trade plates states the trade plates should cover the normal plates. Whilst that is the regulation on a large number of cars that is not possible. It is another case of a law that needs changing to suit the current situation.Edited by Jagmanv12 on Friday 24th April 20:00
JimmyConwayNW said:
Lesson learned for future sounds like he was just doing his job. Would discretion have been nice? Yes. Was there any reason for him to let off the driver? No as he was doing something wrong.
Perhaps your driver failed the attitude test?Perhaps he emulated you and called him a joey? (Whatever that is).
The Mad Monk said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Lesson learned for future sounds like he was just doing his job. Would discretion have been nice? Yes. Was there any reason for him to let off the driver? No as he was doing something wrong.
Perhaps your driver failed the attitude test?Perhaps he emulated you and called him a joey? (Whatever that is).
mybrainhurts said:
V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?mph1977 said:
mybrainhurts said:
V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?mybrainhurts said:
mph1977 said:
mybrainhurts said:
V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?Jagmanv12 said:
Whilst that is the regulation on a large number of cars that is not possible.
This is the biggest problem. Pedestrian crash safety now means bumper covers are large plastic things with no way of using the crappy rubber straps around them to fix a trade plate to a car.I've spent the last six years selling US cars in the UK. There is no provision for a US sized trade plate which meant they didn't fit the rear bumper recess. A lot of US cars don't have front plates which made fitting a trade plate even harder.
V8forweekends said:
It seems odd that in 100 years of motoring, the problem of properly displaying trade plates hasn't been solved.
I remember in the olden days when it was more usual to see an artic with no plate, chalked on number or the wrong plate than it was to see one with a proper plate. Now they are 99% correct, surely trade plates can't be that impossible to get right, unless you can't be bothered of course.
Theyre really quite difficult to display legally and very prone to falling off. PC was a wally, because this is common knowledge.I remember in the olden days when it was more usual to see an artic with no plate, chalked on number or the wrong plate than it was to see one with a proper plate. Now they are 99% correct, surely trade plates can't be that impossible to get right, unless you can't be bothered of course.
mph1977 said:
mybrainhurts said:
mph1977 said:
mybrainhurts said:
V8forweekends said:
JimmyConwayNW said:
Police officer in Hyundai stops him
Why mention the make of cop car?OP mentioned police car type. Someone asked why. I pointed out the obvious answer, namely the car type was used to paint a picture of what happened, indicating a traffic officer was not involved.
Then you came in with the spurious comment that all officers are trained to deal with traffic. If you put a bit of effort into understanding the gist of the conversation, rather than odd isolated words, you wouldn't have this problem. You're not alone, happens quite a lot around here. HTH.
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