Being Ejected from a Night club

[allergictocheese]

Better than having floaters in your pool.

[Dan_1981]

25th of May 2005 I was asked to leave a night club by several of the bouncers.

They first had to lift me down from the table I was trying to dance on first.

Then they Walked me down a corridor that led to a fire exit round the back, shoved me outside and shut the door behind me.

Pissed as I was I've never been as terrified as I was as they led me down that corridor.

I was convinced they were going to give me a rather large kicking.

[theguvernor]

Even if you've done nothing wrong & they ask you to leave (mistaken identity or something), it's probably easier just to leave, as if they ask you & you refuse, they'll just escort you out anyway, i'm fairly sure they're able to use 'reasonable force' & that is deemed acceptable on the circumstances.

[ozzuk]

Mr Classic said:

What's the difference between forcing someone from a nightclub, or removing them from your garden?

With one you are forlorn, the other is for lawn?

Best I could do.

[scarble]

[Rude-boy]

Dan_1981 said:

25th of May 2005 I was asked to leave a night club by several of the bouncers.

They first had to lift me down from the table I was trying to dance on first.

Then they Walked me down a corridor that led to a fire exit round the back, shoved me outside and shut the door behind me.

Pissed as I was I've never been as terrified as I was as they led me down that corridor.

I was convinced they were going to give me a rather large kicking.

Something I find amusing is that to the side of one of the clubs I used to go to frequently there was a pole. Many ladies would have a go on it and it was great fun. As soon as a bloke tried to have a go on it thought the bouncers would be down on them like a tonne of lead and would eject said male.

I think that the World has moved on a little since my clubbing days though. Back then (90's and early '00's) anything short of running for the exit before the bouncers could get a hand on you would result in a forceful ejection. At one time the bouncers in Worcester seemed to have a totally free hand so long as no one actually ended up in hospital... It did get a bit more sensible after they were went a bit OTT with one customer which lead to some discussions on the front doorsteps of a few of the bouncers

[richardrsc]

Pasteurised said:

Just wondering if someone can tell me if is a criminal offence to refuse to leave a night club when asked to by "Security Staff"

In Scotland if that changes things.

Thanks

It's really not worth it. Arguing with Neanderthals rarely has a good outcome. Apologies to all the PH doormen that obviously aren't Neanderthals.

[trashbat]

Rude-boy said:

I think that the World has moved on a little since my clubbing days though. Back then (90's and early '00's) anything short of running for the exit before the bouncers could get a hand on you would result in a forceful ejection.

It's a very long way from my area of expertise, but don't forget that regulation - thus SIA - came along in 2001 which presumably shook things up a little (and then caused them to repeatedly fall down some stairs)

[V8forweekends]

richardrsc said:

Pasteurised said:

Just wondering if someone can tell me if is a criminal offence to refuse to leave a night club when asked to by "Security Staff"

In Scotland if that changes things.

Thanks

It's really not worth it. Arguing with Neanderthals rarely has a good outcome. Apologies to all the PH doormen that obviously aren't Neanderthals.

Even if they aren't Neanderthals, arguing with security staff is about as much use as arguing with the Police, Football refs etc - they may be wrong, but if they have made a decision, arguing (at the time) is hardly likely to end well.

[spikey78]

In the mid 2000s a couple of mates and I went backpacking for a few months and one night we were in the globe bar in Auckland, a bit of a backpackers haunt.
We were totally hammered as usual and got bunged out. Amazingly we managed to plead our way back in if we promised to behave, which we did..
Can't imagine anywhere else where you could get a bouncer to change their minds
Cool story brah etc

[dacouch]

I used to work in a nightclub many years ago, the bouncers would always tell you they have never thrown out or had problems with a sober customer.

We had some serious door staff, one was so well built he could not put on his own dickie bow as his arms were to big, he could not punch people properly but instead either just picked them up or throw them against walls. It always used to amuse me how the really short guys with a lot to say always used to try and start fights with the biggest bouncers eg him.

Amazing what a few sherberts does to blokes and now days does to women

[pork911]

Pasteurised said:

My refusal to leave was non violent, with a legitimate reason, but I wont go into it on a public forum.

come on, you can't leave it at that, what was the 'legitimate' reason you refused to leave?

[handpaper]

My little sister paid her way through Uni (BEng, Sheffield) with an SIA licence. She's of the opinion that her job is to ensure that people have a good time and that politeness is better that pugilism. This does not stop her from occasionally removing, with varying degrees of force, people who do not agree with these sentiments.
She's now doing postgrad studies, and teaching undergrads. Since this doesn't pay spectacularly well, she's still bouncing (you can see where this is going, can't you?)

"Ah, Mr $FRESHER. I trust I won't have to eject you from this venue as well?"

Only once so far. Maybe more come September....

[mebe]

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pork911 said:

Pasteurised said:

My refusal to leave was non violent, with a legitimate reason, but I wont go into it on a public forum.

come on, you can't leave it at that, what was the 'legitimate' reason you refused to leave?

This sums it up, "legitimate" reads as arsey "you can't make me"

[egor110]

mebe said:

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pork911 said:

Pasteurised said:

My refusal to leave was non violent, with a legitimate reason, but I wont go into it on a public forum.

come on, you can't leave it at that, what was the 'legitimate' reason you refused to leave?

This sums it up, "legitimate" reads as arsey "you can't make me"

if you've been asked to leave and refuse then your then trespassing .

there can't be many people who've been chucked out nightclubs who genuinely haven't done anything or are part of a group where someones getting a bit lairy.

[Terzo123]

It's pretty much covered by the legislation below

Sect 116 Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005 - Refusal to leave premises

(1)A person on any relevant premises who—

(a)behaves in a disorderly manner, and

(b)refuses or fails to leave the premises on being asked to do so by a responsible person or a constable,

commits an offence.

(2)A person on any relevant premises who, after the end of any period of licensed hours, refuses or fails to leave the premises on being asked to do so by a responsible person or a constable commits an offence.

(3)Where a person refuses or fails to leave any relevant premises as mentioned in subsection (1) or (2), an authorised person may—

(a)remove the person from the premises, and

(b)if necessary for that purpose, use reasonable force.

(4)A constable must, if—

(a)asked by an authorised person to assist in exercising a power conferred by subsection (3), and

(b)the constable reasonably suspects the person to be removed of having refused or failed to leave as mentioned in subsection (1) or (2),

provide the assistance asked for.

(5)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(6)In this section, “authorised person” means, in relation to any relevant premises, any of the following persons, namely—

(a)a responsible person, and

(b)any other person who—

(i)works on the premises, and

(ii)is authorised by a responsible person for the purposes of this section.

[Terzo123]

Which can be summed up as - They can ask you to leave, if you refuse to leave, they can use reasonable force to get you to leave.

It is a criminal offence, and if the police get called, you could get arrested.

[AyBee]

We need more info OP What damage did they do to you?

[Pieman68]

Never worked on the doors but have around 12 years experience working a bar in a busy town centre club and associated bars

Have to say that the standard of bouncers has improved since licensing came in but the fact of the matter is that most trouble is caused by pi55ed people and it's not the door staff that are the ones looking for trouble. The best door staff are the ones that can talk a situation down and bring it to a peaceful conclusion but that is not always possible

Unfortunately due to a predisposition towards the inevitable, they are pretty indisposed towards compromise and lengthy discussion. The good of the may outweighs the good of the few would tend to be the prevelant philosophy

[SrMoreno]

A lot of posters are saying bouncers have improved in recent years. Maybe they have, but incidents like this still happen:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-o...

I was thrown out of a club once. I didn't argue.