Fences to decrease visibility at roundabouts

[mybrainhurts]

Just another bad case of governmental trendy thinkers and meddlers.

The scourge of modern day society.

[Phatboy317]

Toltec said:

Phatboy317 said:

There's no hard evidence that they are actually effective - but merely the assumption that they improve safety by reducing speeds.

Reduced visibility reduces safety margins.

Someone above mentioned a reduction in accidents, are you saying that you have data that shows there is no such effect? Would be good if you have, proves the point.

While again I agree with your second point personally, we are dealing with the scope of human nature here so the situation is not that simple. Things that would make roads safer and free flowing for good drivers will not work for most, unfortunately techniques that work for the lcds do not make good drivers less safe. Finding the balance is not easy.

On reading, the publications mentioned - Manual for Streets and Manual for Streets 2 - don't actually show any such reduction in accidents.
They do show that drivers slow down for reduced visibility, and then use that fact to predict a reduction in accidents if visibility is reduced.

Edited by Phatboy317 on Wednesday 29th April 06:25

[Type R Tom]

Gareth79 said:

Dammit said:

We'll have no reasoned, logical thought here!

And people bringing their so-called "facts" and "research" on the internet, when it's "obvious" they are bad

Yep and no one bothered reading the DMRB too

[Swervin_Mervin]

Phatboy317 said:

Toltec said:

Phatboy317 said:

There's no hard evidence that they are actually effective - but merely the assumption that they improve safety by reducing speeds.

Reduced visibility reduces safety margins.

Someone above mentioned a reduction in accidents, are you saying that you have data that shows there is no such effect? Would be good if you have, proves the point.

While again I agree with your second point personally, we are dealing with the scope of human nature here so the situation is not that simple. Things that would make roads safer and free flowing for good drivers will not work for most, unfortunately techniques that work for the lcds do not make good drivers less safe. Finding the balance is not easy.

On reading, the publications mentioned - Manual for Streets and Manual for Streets 2 - don't actually show any such reduction in accidents.
They do show that drivers slow down for reduced visibility, and then use that fact to predict a reduction in accidents if visibility is reduced.

Edited by Phatboy317 on Wednesday 29th April 06:25

Have you read the TMS research and the TRL report as well? I haven't, btw.

[Phatboy317]

Swervin_Mervin said:

Phatboy317 said:

Toltec said:

Phatboy317 said:

There's no hard evidence that they are actually effective - but merely the assumption that they improve safety by reducing speeds.

Reduced visibility reduces safety margins.

Someone above mentioned a reduction in accidents, are you saying that you have data that shows there is no such effect? Would be good if you have, proves the point.

While again I agree with your second point personally, we are dealing with the scope of human nature here so the situation is not that simple. Things that would make roads safer and free flowing for good drivers will not work for most, unfortunately techniques that work for the lcds do not make good drivers less safe. Finding the balance is not easy.

On reading, the publications mentioned - Manual for Streets and Manual for Streets 2 - don't actually show any such reduction in accidents.
They do show that drivers slow down for reduced visibility, and then use that fact to predict a reduction in accidents if visibility is reduced.

Edited by Phatboy317 on Wednesday 29th April 06:25

Have you read the TMS research and the TRL report as well? I haven't, btw.

Yes, and a lot more besides.

[Dammit]

However there is a significant distance between "read" and "understand" in your case