NIP - Not driving. What do I put on the form

[Roo]

That must cost a fortune. I only ever needed to get verbal permission once from either a DP or director and it was deemed as valid no matter how long I worked there or changed cars.

When I was SM I used to write my own foreign travel permission letters.

[PHlL]

Starfighter said:

Magic919 said:

Can't see how it will 'time out'.

Easy if it is a complex paper trial. The authority have 6 months to lay the case before the courts from date of the offence. The first NIP to the RK has to be served within 14 days and then each respondent has 28 days to return the paperwork naming the next in the chain.
(Lease company) - Employer - OP - Brother - Driver plus admin time could easily get to 6 months....

In all honesty, I'd imagine they won't want to waste the time as have already got the money as work automatically pay for any parking fines/speeding tickets etc. and to this date, I've never heard of an employee being re-charged for that cost.

As I said, the only thin I'm worried about is the court think I'm trying to get out the ticket by naming a foreign driver.

[Starfighter]

PHlL said:

In all honesty, I'd imagine they won't want to waste the time as have already got the money as work automatically pay for any parking fines/speeding tickets etc. and to this date, I've never heard of an employee being re-charged for that cost.

As I said, the only thin I'm worried about is the court think I'm trying to get out the ticket by naming a foreign driver.

How do they pay fine money? The NIP is a request to identify the driver only (s.172).

[BertBert]

The right thing to do is to tell what you know. If you know it was the Frenchie then you have to name her.

You may get some pain, but as you have evidence of where you are, you will not get into trouble.

If you don't know it was her, tell what you do know.

Bert

[Roo]

PHlL said:

Shaw Tarse said:

Slightly off topic, should she be driving the car?

Yeah, insurance covers any driver provided someone from the company (I can do that) has authorised it and they hold a valid EU license who is not disqualified provided they are not driving under the influence of drugs.

Are you able to do that as you're not the policyholder, your employer is.

[PHlL]

Starfighter said:

How do they pay fine money? The NIP is a request to identify the driver only (s.172).

I could be wrong on that then. It's never happened before to me so can only guy word of mouth.

Roo said:

PHlL said:

Shaw Tarse said:

Slightly off topic, should she be driving the car?

Yeah, insurance covers any driver provided someone from the company (I can do that) has authorised it and they hold a valid EU license who is not disqualified provided they are not driving under the influence of drugs.

Are you able to do that as you're not the policyholder, your employer is.

Yes, as the policy is on order of the policyholder. They then set our internal rules allowing anyone to drive it.

[Roo]

I wouldn't want to be paying that premium. That's one hell of a policy.

See the other thread.

[alock]

PHlL said:

Yes, as the policy is on order of the policyholder. They then set our internal rules allowing anyone to drive it.

In your original post you said you left the car with your brother and he then let her drive it.

Either you authorised her to drive it, or she isn't insured.

[oakdale]

Please come back LoonR1, we need your opinion on this matter.

[mybrainhurts]

TooMany2cvs said:

So that's easy. She was driving, so you put her down.

Steady on, old boy, she's not an animal...

[caziques]

OP should name his brother, he wasn't there and doesn't know for certain what happened.

Brother should name French girlfriend if that is then true.

Quite possibly her domiciled address is in France, in which case it should be put down...but yes be well prepared for a thorough investigation.

[V8LM]

OT, but are you the policyholder? Besides, she evidently wasn't driving on the order or with the policyholder's permission.

Edited by V8LM on Wednesday 29th April 07:05

[herewego]

mybrainhurts said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So that's easy. She was driving, so you put her down.

Steady on, old boy, she's not an animal...

A robot?

[supermono]

oldcynic said:

Why waste everyone's time naming your brother.

It depends in your viewpoint. If you want to encourage private speed tax collecting companies then you should send them what they need ASAP so they can raise the invoice quickly and efficiently.

If you think they're parasites who perform no public good whatsoever you may want to make everything as time consuming and difficult as you can possibly (and legally) make it.

I happen to think the latter, as do the vast majority of people.

[MrTickle]

supermono said:

oldcynic said:

Why waste everyone's time naming your brother.

It depends in your viewpoint. If you want to encourage private speed tax collecting companies then you should send them what they need ASAP so they can raise the invoice quickly and efficiently.

If you think they're parasites who perform no public good whatsoever you may want to make everything as time consuming and difficult as you can possibly (and legally) make it.

I happen to think the latter, as do the vast majority of people.

If you name your brother instead of his fiancée, it implies that you did not give permission to his fiancée to drive which could open up a whole other can of worms. Just name the fiancée directly with the UK address you know she can be reached at - and do not risk the non-insurance issue coming into the equation.

[NugentS]

MrTickle said:

If you name your brother instead of his fiancée, it implies that you did not give permission to his fiancée to drive which could open up a whole other can of worms. Just name the fiancée directly with the UK address you know she can be reached at - and do not risk the non-insurance issue coming into the equation.

Much as though I like the name brother who then gets to name the girlfriend (which wastes lots of the parasites time) I suggest this option unless you actually gave permission for the girl to drive (be very clear on this)

Sean

[Roo]

mybrainhurts said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So that's easy. She was driving, so you put her down.

Steady on, old boy, she's not an animal...

No, but she is French.

[bobtail4x4]

anyone asked for photos yet?

[GreatGranny]

OP, its not difficult.

You know who it was so put her down as the driver.

DO NOT put you brother because you KNOW he wasn't the driver.

Its not hard.

[mybrainhurts]

Roo said:

mybrainhurts said:

TooMany2cvs said:

So that's easy. She was driving, so you put her down.

Steady on, old boy, she's not an animal...

No, but she is French.

Good point, good point....