NIP - Not driving. What do I put on the form
Discussion
Chaps, can anyone shed on light on what I have to do for this.
My employers have received a NIP for the car I drive. They've in turn told the court I am the "driver of the vehicle" so I've had it come through saying I was the driver of the vehicle.
I've spoken to HR in relation to this and they weren't too helpful, but whilst I am the day to day driver of the car, the actual offence in question (speeding on the M20 - mobile camera) I was not driving. I was actually up in Scotland on my motorbike and left my car with my brother. It was actually his fiance who was driving the vehicle which she has confirmed seeing the van. However, she is French and still uses her French address for everything.
The form asks for the county and postcode of the person driving. What do I put, my brothers name as I left the car with him for him to in turn identify the driver, or put my soon to be sister-in-laws French address and just write a note saying she is not a UK resident so cannot provide all the details they are requesting.
I imagine the court will call BS, however, I have a fuel receipt from Inverness within an hour of the offence so hopefully can prove it was not me driving as a precaution.
My employers have received a NIP for the car I drive. They've in turn told the court I am the "driver of the vehicle" so I've had it come through saying I was the driver of the vehicle.
I've spoken to HR in relation to this and they weren't too helpful, but whilst I am the day to day driver of the car, the actual offence in question (speeding on the M20 - mobile camera) I was not driving. I was actually up in Scotland on my motorbike and left my car with my brother. It was actually his fiance who was driving the vehicle which she has confirmed seeing the van. However, she is French and still uses her French address for everything.
The form asks for the county and postcode of the person driving. What do I put, my brothers name as I left the car with him for him to in turn identify the driver, or put my soon to be sister-in-laws French address and just write a note saying she is not a UK resident so cannot provide all the details they are requesting.
I imagine the court will call BS, however, I have a fuel receipt from Inverness within an hour of the offence so hopefully can prove it was not me driving as a precaution.
Bear in mind that if you name a foreign individual the likelihood is that it'll immediately attract someone's personal attention, regardless of the honesty of your account, because believe it or not people name foreign individuals to try and avoid points all the time.
If you are asked to provide proof that they were insured, can you? I would presume it to be rather extraordinary that a company vehicle covers any not explicitly named family member, let alone their fiance.
If you are asked to provide proof that they were insured, can you? I would presume it to be rather extraordinary that a company vehicle covers any not explicitly named family member, let alone their fiance.
Shaw Tarse said:
Slightly off topic, should she be driving the car?
Yeah, insurance covers any driver provided someone from the company (I can do that) has authorised it and they hold a valid EU license who is not disqualified provided they are not driving under the influence of drugs. PHlL said:
I was not driving. I was actually up in Scotland on my motorbike and left my car with my brother. It was actually his fiance who was driving the vehicle which she has confirmed seeing the van.
So that's easy. She was driving, so you put her down.PHlL said:
However, she is French and still uses her French address for everything.
But does she actually live in France or in the UK? She clearly has a UK address she can be reached at. I'd start with that one, and let her do any dissembling required about where she really lives.If you left the car with your brother I would put that down on the form, if he lent it to the frenchie then he can tell them that. You only have someone elses word that she was driving, its called hearsay. Dont forget to leave it to near the end of the 28 days each time as well, with any luck it will time out.
carreauchompeur said:
Assuming this is totally the truth. Nominate her as driver with a UK correspondence address.
Be very, very careful if this is not the complete truth!
No it genuinely is the truth. There is an option for a 4 hour telling off which I'd do if it is was me driving. Wouldn't dare do something which is more criminal like preventing the course of justice. Be very, very careful if this is not the complete truth!
PHlL said:
However, she is French and still uses her French address for everything.
But does she actually live in France or in the UK? She clearly has a UK address she can be reached at. I'd start with that one, and let her do any dissembling required about where she really lives.Agreed name your brother and he can give the wheel another turn. Make the scum work for their stinking money. It's only a scam they're running so do everything legally in your power to gum up the process including posting on the last day possible (recorded so they can't lie about it being late)
Good luck! It'll be lovely if it times out.
Good luck! It'll be lovely if it times out.
Taking this on face value I would name the person driving and the address she can be reached ( in France or UK ). Then let the justice system pick the bones out it. You have stated she is insured. Has permission to drive the van/car and has an address. If that happens to be in France well so what. Its Europe these days dont you know and if the authorities cant think that big..... that`s not your problem.
Just name her if you know it was definitely her.
Surprised at the insurance though. I used to have to get permission for my wife to drive my company cars, even then the insurance was only valid if an employee was in the car. That was motor trade though so they can be a bit funny about non-employees driving company owned cars.
Surprised at the insurance though. I used to have to get permission for my wife to drive my company cars, even then the insurance was only valid if an employee was in the car. That was motor trade though so they can be a bit funny about non-employees driving company owned cars.
Magic919 said:
Can't see how it will 'time out'.
Easy if it is a complex paper trial. The authority have 6 months to lay the case before the courts from date of the offence. The first NIP to the RK has to be served within 14 days and then each respondent has 28 days to return the paperwork naming the next in the chain.(Lease company) - Employer - OP - Brother - Driver plus admin time could easily get to 6 months....
Starfighter said:
Magic919 said:
Can't see how it will 'time out'.
Easy if it is a complex paper trial. The authority have 6 months to lay the case before the courts from date of the offence. The first NIP to the RK has to be served within 14 days and then each respondent has 28 days to return the paperwork naming the next in the chain.(Lease company) - Employer - OP - Brother - Driver plus admin time could easily get to 6 months....
Roo said:
Just name her if you know it was definitely her.
Surprised at the insurance though. I used to have to get permission for my wife to drive my company cars, even then the insurance was only valid if an employee was in the car. That was motor trade though so they can be a bit funny about non-employees driving company owned cars.
Mine is motor trade too. The insurance certificate reads as below. Our company car policy states anyone can drive the car provided they have a valid EU license and are not disqualified or under the influence of drugs. Allianz need to approve if someone has been convicted of death by dangerous driving/drink driving; or have been banned more than twice in the last 3 years. It is down the employee who loans out his/her car to check that driver meets those criteria. No restriction on employee needing to be in the car.Surprised at the insurance though. I used to have to get permission for my wife to drive my company cars, even then the insurance was only valid if an employee was in the car. That was motor trade though so they can be a bit funny about non-employees driving company owned cars.
God knows how much the policy costs for those sort of terms. Plus, our excess in only £50 no matter the amount of claims.
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