Shooting dog on farmland

[Eleven]

mattmurdock said:

rouge59 said:

My dogs (unlike the OPs) are well trained so if anyone harmed them it would be a malicious act for which they would suffer extreme sanction.

Not really that difficult to understand, is it?

So you are saying they wouldn't ever worry sheep if loose in the same field? I think the difficult part of your first statement was your statement that 'short of attacking a person' you would consider any other harm to your dogs as worth sanction.

The implication there is if they attacked a sheep and were shot, the shooter would be to blame, and not your dogs.

And of course that he is a badass with whom no sensible farmer would mess.

[JustinP1]

Eleven said:

mattmurdock said:

rouge59 said:

My dogs (unlike the OPs) are well trained so if anyone harmed them it would be a malicious act for which they would suffer extreme sanction.

Not really that difficult to understand, is it?

So you are saying they wouldn't ever worry sheep if loose in the same field? I think the difficult part of your first statement was your statement that 'short of attacking a person' you would consider any other harm to your dogs as worth sanction.

The implication there is if they attacked a sheep and were shot, the shooter would be to blame, and not your dogs.

And of course that he is a badass with whom no sensible farmer would mess.

He's forgotten that frozen sausages are not such a tool of vengeance when pushed into a farmer's field.

[FrankAbagnale]

In fact, it makes me wonder why farmers spend many hours ploughing their fields when a machine could just smash frozen sausages in with very little effort. Let nature take care of it.

[otolith]

FrankAbagnale said:

In fact, it makes me wonder why farmers spend many hours ploughing their fields when a machine could just smash frozen sausages in with very little effort. Let nature take care of it.

Where else do you imagine sausage trees come from?

[NordicCrankShaft]

There's some stty people in this thread, the guy has simply asked whether it was all legal. He wasn't asking whether he should take revenge or asking how he should make revenge just wanted it simply confirmed it it was legal. Even after the Police, we all know what the Police can be like! There's absolutely no need for the personal attacks on this person that you or I do not even know, really there's some spiteful people in here! It's going to be upsetting enough having to admit that you basically fked up without the snide remarks.

I just wonder, what the situation would be though if somehow the cattle/farm animals managed to break free and make their way onto his land.....I'd have my dog and shot gun at the ready!

[DonkeyApple]

rouge59 said:

Bluebarge said:

Odd post. OP must accept the consequences but you wouldn't?

My dogs (unlike the OPs) are well trained so if anyone harmed them it would be a malicious act for which they would suffer extreme sanction.

Not really that difficult to understand, is it?

They'd clearly be in a better place though.

[otolith]

NordicCrankShaft said:

I just wonder, what the situation would be though if somehow the cattle/farm animals managed to break free and make their way onto his land.....I'd have my dog and shot gun at the ready!

'im were worryin' moi dog!

[herewego]

NordicCrankShaft said:

There's some stty people in this thread, the guy has simply asked whether it was all legal. He wasn't asking whether he should take revenge or asking how he should make revenge just wanted it simply confirmed it it was legal. Even after the Police, we all know what the Police can be like! There's absolutely no need for the personal attacks on this person that you or I do not even know, really there's some spiteful people in here! It's going to be upsetting enough having to admit that you basically fked up without the snide remarks.

I just wonder, what the situation would be though if somehow the cattle/farm animals managed to break free and make their way onto his land.....I'd have my dog and shot gun at the ready!

Are you saying, but not in a spiteful way, you think the OP fked up?

[Bluebarge]

rouge59 said:

Bluebarge said:

Odd post. OP must accept the consequences but you wouldn't?

My dogs (unlike the OPs) are well trained so if anyone harmed them it would be a malicious act for which they would suffer extreme sanction.

Not really that difficult to understand, is it?

Yes. It's completely incomprehensible. You said that if your dogs were killed for any reason (other than attacking a person) you would go all Arnie on the killer but the OP just has to suck it up. Despite your dogs being trained (how well we'll have to take your word for) you have no idea what they'd do if unattended and near livestock.

So - a double standard and a ludicrous statement to boot (who the hell says "extreme sanction"?).

[_dobbo_]

rouge59 said:

I have a Patterdale & whilst they are challenging dogs to train, mine would never stray or attack anything without my say so,

You have trained your dogs to attack on command? That sounds nice.

[Disastrous]

Bluebarge said:

(who the hell says "extreme sanction"?).

Thousand yard stare, strong words softly spoken, boathouse, rather not talk about it...etc.

[Eleven]

Disastrous said:

Bluebarge said:

(who the hell says "extreme sanction"?).

Thousand yard stare, strong words softly spoken, boathouse, rather not talk about it...etc.

Oh I see, he's one of those. I was going to post a link to the "A bit council" thread. Glad I didn't now; I wouldn't want to get extreme sanctioned.

[anonymous-user]

Eleven said:

If the farmer was going to make up a story he would claim your dog was running towards the sheep, not away from them. On the balance of probability, based upon what you have said, his story is believable.

Whatever the minutiae of the situation, your dog was out of control amongst sheep. It got shot. However far you are prepared to pursue this you'll need to persuade someone that your dog, loose amongst or near sheep, with previous for the same, didn't require shooting. Good luck with that.

If I were you I'd bury your dog, buy a new one and keep it under control.

For the record: I live in farmland, own a dog and a shotgun, dislike mardy farmers and have caught my own dog worrying sheep. On the last point, the little sod wished the farmer had got to him first and hasn't done it again. But if he does and he gets shot I won't be surprised or offended.

One of the most sensible posts in this thread.

[Willy Nilly]

Dogs worry sheep, end of. Sheep just like to be left alone in their field to eat their grass, they don't need any excuse to die, they're quite good at that.

I have posted pictures on here of what dogs do to sheep and it was considered too gruesome and I got shouted at. If you want, I can scan them again and post them to remind people. .

Even though a sheep isn't normal terrier quarry, sheep run, so dogs chase and the sheep get stressed. A neighbour when I lived at home had 2 border collies, one was a brilliant dog, the other a bit mental. The mental one somehow managed to get a fully grown cows down and was all over her. He took the dog back to the yard, shot it and chucked it in a hole.

[RussH91]

I'm sorry to hear this OP.


Farmers are not blood thirsty animals, If it wasn't deemed a threat or been threatening in the past to his livestock they wouldn't have shot it.
You have to bare in mind that in spring if it's sheep surrounding you there is a lot of young stock around which are extremely vulnerable to animal attack, not just from dogs. Your dog may not have injured any of their livestock, but if there has been any attacks on their farm recently, I'm not surprised if they saw any dog worrying livestock that they would shoot it.

Its not nice to loose a animal or a pet. A farmer knows this more than anyone, if it wasn't a last resort I can't imagine doing it.

This is coming from someone who has worked on a variety of farms for the last 20 years, and personally seen a big old roughty farmer go very mute when loosing one of his dairy herd, Farmers of all people do not wish to hurt animals.

[rouge59]

Bluebarge said:

Yes. It's completely incomprehensible. You said that if your dogs were killed for any reason (other than attacking a person) you would go all Arnie on the killer but the OP just has to suck it up. Despite your dogs being trained (how well we'll have to take your word for) you have no idea what they'd do if unattended and near livestock.

So - a double standard and a ludicrous statement to boot (who the hell says "extreme sanction"?).

I frequently walk my Patterdale off the lead through fields with sheep & cows in & he stays by my side as I tell him to, but please don't let this fact stop you making ridiculous assumptions about me or my mutt.

As you appear to be in rather dim I'll spell it out for you once more; my dog is very well trained so would give no one reason to harm him, therefore if anyone did it would be a malicious, unjustified act & that person would suffer for it.

Capiche?

[thetrash]

rouge59 said:

Capiche?

What'dya mean I'm funny? Funny how?

[Disastrous]

Can you tell us more about these darkly nebulous 'extreme sanctions' you speak of?


EFAutocorrect

Edited by Disastrous on Friday 1st May 23:51

[DonkeyApple]

Disastrous said:

Can you tell us more about these dwelly nebulous 'extreme sanctions' you speak of?

When you're Steven Seagal you don't give away your craft secrets to just any old oik.

[Janluke]

OP I'm sorry for your lose.
We live near a farm and have two Jack Russells the male shows a real interest in all livestock and I wouldnt trust him at all. As a result our garden is secure and he's always walked on a lead. In the unlikely event he got loose and the farmer shot him I would be heart broken but accept that the farmer was within his rights.

I think walking a dog off the lead in a field of livestock is a risk, I accept some people are prepared to take that risk personally I'm not. No matter how well trained the dog is, they are animals and can be unpredictable. How many times do we read of dog attacks where the owners say"He's never done that before"