Shooting dog on farmland
Discussion
Jonsv8 said:
DonkeyApple said:
Really? Kill a human being because there is one less walking roast dinner about?
OK.
I doubt it was a literal instruction but there's also one less baby/child in the world this week because of a dog killing then. OK.
Some Dog owners really need to wake up.
The big problem we have with dogs in our part of London is crazy, lonely b
hes who think their dogs are children because they never had their own for fear of losing thier figure and then losing their paycheque husband, so they now have a dog to keep them company between bouts of facial surgery to keep them looking like Pete Burns and while the husband is overseas on his monthly weathon. Their dogs charge up to small children, intimidating them, and this is always followed by the cry ' it's ok he likes children'. But this country has an exceedingly unhealthy relationship with animals.
DonkeyApple said:
Devil2575 said:
Someone should have pushed the owner over the edge of the cliff.
Really? Kill a human being because there is one less walking roast dinner about?OK.
Throwing the dog into a lion, tiger or wolf-pack enclosure at the zoo, could be considered an equivable event though.
DonkeyApple said:
Jonsv8 said:
DonkeyApple said:
Really? Kill a human being because there is one less walking roast dinner about?
OK.
I doubt it was a literal instruction but there's also one less baby/child in the world this week because of a dog killing then. OK.
Some Dog owners really need to wake up.
The big problem we have with dogs in our part of London is crazy, lonely b
hes who think their dogs are children because they never had their own for fear of losing thier figure and then losing their paycheque husband, so they now have a dog to keep them company between bouts of facial surgery to keep them looking like Pete Burns and while the husband is overseas on his monthly weathon. Their dogs charge up to small children, intimidating them, and this is always followed by the cry ' it's ok he likes children'. But this country has an exceedingly unhealthy relationship with animals.
Do you condone people who do not take responsibility for pets in that scenario, or do you blame the farmers for it??
Mandalore said:
I am not seeing/reading anything 'negative' in the above post about the idiots who let dogs roam unsupervised so that they kill livestock. Just an opinion about other stuff, that bears no relation to story in the clifftop article.
Do you condone people who do not take responsibility for pets in that scenario, or do you blame the farmers for it??
It's clearly the fault of the person responsible for the dog, however there is normally more to any such story. For example, had the sheep escaped from where they were kept and had moved to an area where an owner would not expect to find them while walking their dog? Was the dog well trained under a proficient and responsible owner and this was an unfortunate accident? Did the owner try to stop their dog etc?Do you condone people who do not take responsibility for pets in that scenario, or do you blame the farmers for it??
I don't think it prudent or intelligent to purely imagine in this incident that it was an untrained dog and the owner stood their laughing or should be killed.
The details are not present and even if they were how can a balanced human advocate the killing of another? It's an over reaction and part of the exact same problem that sees these dog incidents arise in the first instance. People in the UK seems to have lost touch with what dogs are and what the appropriate relationship is between them and humans.
DonkeyApple said:
It's clearly the fault of the person responsible for the dog, however there is normally more to any such story. For example, had the sheep escaped from where they were kept and had moved to an area where an owner would not expect to find them while walking their dog? Was the dog well trained under a proficient and responsible owner and this was an unfortunate accident? Did the owner try to stop their dog etc?
I don't think it prudent or intelligent to purely imagine in this incident that it was an untrained dog and the owner stood their laughing or should be killed.
Really? If the dog was trained and the owner responsible then the incident would not have happened. The end.I don't think it prudent or intelligent to purely imagine in this incident that it was an untrained dog and the owner stood their laughing or should be killed.
It is that simple. Trained dogs come when called all the time regardless of anything else that is going on.
The problem is that a large proportion of dogs have not been trained and the owner is not in control.
Devil2575 said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's clearly the fault of the person responsible for the dog, however there is normally more to any such story. For example, had the sheep escaped from where they were kept and had moved to an area where an owner would not expect to find them while walking their dog? Was the dog well trained under a proficient and responsible owner and this was an unfortunate accident? Did the owner try to stop their dog etc?
I don't think it prudent or intelligent to purely imagine in this incident that it was an untrained dog and the owner stood their laughing or should be killed.
Really? If the dog was trained and the owner responsible then the incident would not have happened. The end.I don't think it prudent or intelligent to purely imagine in this incident that it was an untrained dog and the owner stood their laughing or should be killed.
It is that simple. Trained dogs come when called all the time regardless of anything else that is going on.
The problem is that a large proportion of dogs have not been trained and the owner is not in control.
While I agree with you regards most dogs being poorly trained and most owners being incompetant I also disagree with you that a well trained dog is reliable and predictable. It isn't and it never will be. It should be more reliable and predictable but never sufficiently to be wholly trusted.
DonkeyApple said:
Mandalore said:
I am not seeing/reading anything 'negative' in the above post about the idiots who let dogs roam unsupervised so that they kill livestock. Just an opinion about other stuff, that bears no relation to story in the clifftop article.
Do you condone people who do not take responsibility for pets in that scenario, or do you blame the farmers for it??
It's clearly the fault of the person responsible for the dog, however there is normally more to any such story. For example, had the sheep escaped from where they were kept and had moved to an area where an owner would not expect to find them while walking their dog? Was the dog well trained under a proficient and responsible owner and this was an unfortunate accident? Did the owner try to stop their dog etc?Do you condone people who do not take responsibility for pets in that scenario, or do you blame the farmers for it??
I don't think it prudent or intelligent to purely imagine in this incident that it was an untrained dog and the owner stood their laughing or should be killed.
The details are not present and even if they were how can a balanced human advocate the killing of another? It's an over reaction and part of the exact same problem that sees these dog incidents arise in the first instance. People in the UK seems to have lost touch with what dogs are and what the appropriate relationship is between them and humans.
Frankly, it reminds me of one of those cheap insurance policies, that you will never be able to claim on, because the small print caveats everything and anything, to avoid paying you.
The question WAS about the scenario in the new story BTW.
Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 24th June 11:39
mandalore said:
DonkeyApple said:
Mandalore said:
I am not seeing/reading anything 'negative' in the above post about the idiots who let dogs roam unsupervised so that they kill livestock. Just an opinion about other stuff, that bears no relation to story in the clifftop article.
Do you condone people who do not take responsibility for pets in that scenario, or do you blame the farmers for it??
It's clearly the fault of the person responsible for the dog, however there is normally more to any such story. For example, had the sheep escaped from where they were kept and had moved to an area where an owner would not expect to find them while walking their dog? Was the dog well trained under a proficient and responsible owner and this was an unfortunate accident? Did the owner try to stop their dog etc?Do you condone people who do not take responsibility for pets in that scenario, or do you blame the farmers for it??
I don't think it prudent or intelligent to purely imagine in this incident that it was an untrained dog and the owner stood their laughing or should be killed.
The details are not present and even if they were how can a balanced human advocate the killing of another? It's an over reaction and part of the exact same problem that sees these dog incidents arise in the first instance. People in the UK seems to have lost touch with what dogs are and what the appropriate relationship is between them and humans.
Frankly, it reminds me of one of those cheap insurance policies, that you will never be able to claim on, because the small print caveats everything and anything, to avoid paying you.
The question WAS about the scenario in the new story BTW.
Edited by Mandalore on Wednesday 24th June 11:39
DonkeyApple said:
Absolutely wrong. You can never trust a dog regardless of its training or the control of its owner.
You make a good case for never allowing a dog off a lead in a public place.If a dog can never be trusted and an owner cannot be sure the dog will not do something it shouldn't then it should not be allowed to run free in any situation where it could cause harm.
This includes an sitation where the dog could come into contact with livestock, other dogs/any pet or people.
Going back to the original post. As a landowner, livestock owner and firearms owner I would have no hesitation in shooting a dog on my land that had just finished worrying my livestock for a repeat offence.
For a first offence I might offer some leeway. For a second then sorry, no. I have had this exact situation before now with a Labrador dog (uncastrated) of a neighbour who eventually ran 24 cattle over a fence into a dingle below causing two two break their legs and have to be shot in agony many hours after when I eventually found them.
I shot the Labrador two days later from 450 yards away as it trotted towards its previous hunting ground with cattle in the same field. If you can't control your dog other will.
For a first offence I might offer some leeway. For a second then sorry, no. I have had this exact situation before now with a Labrador dog (uncastrated) of a neighbour who eventually ran 24 cattle over a fence into a dingle below causing two two break their legs and have to be shot in agony many hours after when I eventually found them.
I shot the Labrador two days later from 450 yards away as it trotted towards its previous hunting ground with cattle in the same field. If you can't control your dog other will.
Devil2575 said:
DonkeyApple said:
Absolutely wrong. You can never trust a dog regardless of its training or the control of its owner.
You make a good case for never allowing a dog off a lead in a public place.If a dog can never be trusted and an owner cannot be sure the dog will not do something it shouldn't then it should not be allowed to run free in any situation where it could cause harm.
This includes an sitation where the dog could come into contact with livestock, other dogs/any pet or people.
I won't ever understand the mentality of people who risk having their pet dogs off a lead when there is livestock present for example. Or even the people who let their dog out of the car before attaching its lead. Dogs are dogs and it shows a manifest lack of respect of animals when people seemingly anthropomorphise them.
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