Shooting dog on farmland
Discussion
405dogvan said:
and offices, shopfloors and warehouses are also prone not to keeping all their paperwork up-to-date - they are, fortunately, less prone to killing people's pets (just their workers will to live)...
I grew-up next to a farm where the farmer liked to loose-off a shot-or-2 at anyone near his land - he had an endless array of excuses for what he thought he was shooting at which kept his land free of pretty much everyone - didn't stop him hanging himself, no loss to mankind really.
Thing about a shotgun is that you need to be relatively close to your target for a kill (50m tops?) so he had to know exactly what he was shooting at. Maybe the dog has history and he's within his rights - maybe he's a
neighbour who likes killing people's pets - best check and see there's no people tied-up in the barn or cellar eh?
I'm not sure I'm 100% with the revenge campaign but his farm gates would be finding themselves left open a lot - I mean, only good neighbours keep the countryside code eh?
Is opening his gates to let animals out done out of a live for animals or a hate of them? Confused. I grew-up next to a farm where the farmer liked to loose-off a shot-or-2 at anyone near his land - he had an endless array of excuses for what he thought he was shooting at which kept his land free of pretty much everyone - didn't stop him hanging himself, no loss to mankind really.
Thing about a shotgun is that you need to be relatively close to your target for a kill (50m tops?) so he had to know exactly what he was shooting at. Maybe the dog has history and he's within his rights - maybe he's a
neighbour who likes killing people's pets - best check and see there's no people tied-up in the barn or cellar eh?I'm not sure I'm 100% with the revenge campaign but his farm gates would be finding themselves left open a lot - I mean, only good neighbours keep the countryside code eh?
otolith said:
Tragic, and basically similar to your dog getting out and being hit by a car. You must feel terrible about it 
Only if the driver swerved TOWARDS the dog surely?I'm paranoid that my dogs harm no-one INCLUDING themselves (I have spaniels so the latter is particularly important) - thus I use leads more than most local dog owners seem to. Despite that, someone drove over the pavement (cutting a corner) narrowly missing one of mine just last week - I spend eons teaching them to hold at a kerb - society produces people who drive over pavements.
f
k these people.The OP says that the only reason for putting his topic on here is that all he wants to know if the shooting was lawful.
I would have thought as the OP has spoken to the Police who have all the facts from both parties in the case they would be in a good position to answer the OPs question whether it was lawful or not.
Why look for an answer on an internet forum where people are not aware of all the facts and the majority of people would not know the legal position regarding a case like this.
It looks like he was looking for sympathy but then admitted that he has in the past paid the vets bills and compensation for the loss of the farmers stock and since then people have turned against him as it was his fault for failing to control his dog and ultimately leave the farmer with no option but to protect his livelihood.
I would have thought as the OP has spoken to the Police who have all the facts from both parties in the case they would be in a good position to answer the OPs question whether it was lawful or not.
Why look for an answer on an internet forum where people are not aware of all the facts and the majority of people would not know the legal position regarding a case like this.
It looks like he was looking for sympathy but then admitted that he has in the past paid the vets bills and compensation for the loss of the farmers stock and since then people have turned against him as it was his fault for failing to control his dog and ultimately leave the farmer with no option but to protect his livelihood.
I have a Patterdale & whilst they are challenging dogs to train, mine would never stray or attack anything without my say so, so the OP is obviously guilty of failing to control his dog & must accept the consequences.
Having said that, apart from if they'd attacked a person, anyone killing either of my dogs would regret it for the rest of their lives.
405dogvan said:
otolith said:
Tragic, and basically similar to your dog getting out and being hit by a car. You must feel terrible about it
Only if the driver swerved TOWARDS the dog surely?Martin4x4 said:
Was there any evidence your dog had harmed any sheep?
Also what breed was your dog?
Agree with idea of taking this to the media, new/old/social.
The law need changing on this, farmer killing dogs willy nilly get very common every spring.
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/sheep/facts/02-029.htm Also what breed was your dog?
Agree with idea of taking this to the media, new/old/social.
The law need changing on this, farmer killing dogs willy nilly get very common every spring.
http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/topic/sheep-attac...
Unattended dogs do not behave the way most owners expect. Please read.
Monty Python said:
Under the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953, if a dog worries sheep on agricultural land, the person in charge of the dog is guilty of an offence. The Act considers sheep worrying to include attacking sheep, chasing them in a way that may cause injury, suffering, abortion or loss of produce or being at large (not on a lead or otherwise under close control) in a field or enclosure in which there are sheep.
“When you take your dog into the outdoors always ensure it does not disturb wildlife, farm animals, horses or other people by keeping it under effective control … It is always good practice to keep your dog on a lead around farm animals … Keep your dog in sight at all times, be aware of what it’s doing and be confident it will return to you promptly on command … Ensure it does not stray off the path or area where you have a right of access.” The Code also reminds walkers that a farmer ‘may shoot a dog which is attacking or chasing farm animals without being liable to compensate the dog’s owner’.
I think that says it all (unless there were witnesses).
I think so too.“When you take your dog into the outdoors always ensure it does not disturb wildlife, farm animals, horses or other people by keeping it under effective control … It is always good practice to keep your dog on a lead around farm animals … Keep your dog in sight at all times, be aware of what it’s doing and be confident it will return to you promptly on command … Ensure it does not stray off the path or area where you have a right of access.” The Code also reminds walkers that a farmer ‘may shoot a dog which is attacking or chasing farm animals without being liable to compensate the dog’s owner’.
I think that says it all (unless there were witnesses).
Sad for the dog and very sorry for the OP but I think that you have to move on and keep your dogs under better control and/or secure the garden area.
The Surveyor said:
I bet your Vet is terrified of the day he has to put little fluffy to sleep.....
Funny you should say that, but we had to have our much loved greyhound put down a month ago due to a tumour & were hugely impressed with the professionalism & empathy shown by the vets involved.Jasandjules said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
the dog is loose in the field, it can turn and run in circles at any point, jump over a wall and come back in 5 minutes or an hour
It has been a while since I read the legislation and case law but I believe there must be immediate danger of harm to shoot, a dog running away does not qualify. Nor can it be shot "in case it comes back later".which direction it's facing at the time is irrelevant
rouge59 said:
I have a Patterdale & whilst they are challenging dogs to train, mine would never stray or attack anything without my say so, so the OP is obviously guilty of failing to control his dog & must accept the consequences.
Having said that, apart from if they'd attacked a person, anyone killing either of my dogs would regret it for the rest of their lives.
Odd post. OP must accept the consequences but you wouldn't? Having said that, apart from if they'd attacked a person, anyone killing either of my dogs would regret it for the rest of their lives.
rouge59 said:
My dogs (unlike the OPs) are well trained so if anyone harmed them it would be a malicious act for which they would suffer extreme sanction.
Not really that difficult to understand, is it?
So you are saying they wouldn't ever worry sheep if loose in the same field? I think the difficult part of your first statement was your statement that 'short of attacking a person' you would consider any other harm to your dogs as worth sanction.Not really that difficult to understand, is it?
The implication there is if they attacked a sheep and were shot, the shooter would be to blame, and not your dogs. Hence the reply you received.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
rouge59 said:
Funny you should say that, but we had to have our much loved greyhound put down a month ago due to a tumour & were hugely impressed with the professionalism & empathy shown by the vets involved.
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