Missed court summons for speaking on phone
Discussion
Mill Wheel said:
I have a phone with no sim card in (locked to Tesco) which I use to hook up to free WiFi, and as a SatNav using the GPS and maps on an SD card.
Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
Probably - it sounds like it could still fall under the heading of a "hand-held mobile telephone or other hand-held interactive communication device" : http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/sectio...Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
The law doesn't require it to be actively communicating at the time - hence all the queries about using it as Sat Nav, music player etc.
Mill Wheel said:
I have a phone with no sim card in (locked to Tesco) which I use to hook up to free WiFi, and as a SatNav using the GPS and maps on an SD card.
Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
Given your posting history either I'm due a whoosh parrot or your post is missing a smiley.Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
SVTRick said:
Truth Hurt does it?
You come onto a public forum and admit you were using a hand held device, well you have to expect some flack.
I have lost count of the times I see idiots like you trying to drive while holding and using the phone in full view.
Stop being a bell end for once in your life.
The only idiot here clearly seems to be you. I tried ignoring your comments but you keep with the insults.. You come onto a public forum and admit you were using a hand held device, well you have to expect some flack.
I have lost count of the times I see idiots like you trying to drive while holding and using the phone in full view.
Stop being a bell end for once in your life.
Without any knowledge of the situation, i.e time of day, location, other traffic on the road, what I actually did "use" my phone for etc (surely even you can figure out why I wouldn't want to write too much before any court hearings) but being so narrow minded you continue to make these stupid comment which only make you look more foolish.
Is your life really that unfulfilled you have to come on Internet forums and call people idiots?
Edited by stef1808 on Tuesday 12th May 01:02
stef1808 said:
The only idiot here clearly seems to be you. I tried ignoring your comments but you keep with the insults..
Without any knowledge of the situation, i.e time of day, location, other traffic on the road, what I actually did "use" my phone for etc (surely even you can figure out why I wouldn't want to write too much before any court hearings) but being so narrow minded you continue to make these stupid comment which only make you look more foolish.
Is your life really that unfulfilled you have to come on Internet forums and call people idiots?
YAWN ......zzzz
I hope your caught and fined + points next time your using it.
perhaps next time think before you post about what you have got away with.
Without any knowledge of the situation, i.e time of day, location, other traffic on the road, what I actually did "use" my phone for etc (surely even you can figure out why I wouldn't want to write too much before any court hearings) but being so narrow minded you continue to make these stupid comment which only make you look more foolish.
Is your life really that unfulfilled you have to come on Internet forums and call people idiots?
YAWN ......zzzz
I hope your caught and fined + points next time your using it.
perhaps next time think before you post about what you have got away with.
Edited by stef1808 on Tuesday 12th May 01:02
Mill Wheel said:
I have a phone with no sim card in (locked to Tesco) which I use to hook up to free WiFi, and as a SatNav using the GPS and maps on an SD card.
Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
your phone can still be used to call 999 (or 112) so, it's still a phone, even without a simIs it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
Hugo a Gogo said:
Mill Wheel said:
I have a phone with no sim card in (locked to Tesco) which I use to hook up to free WiFi, and as a SatNav using the GPS and maps on an SD card.
Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
your phone can still be used to call 999 (or 112) so, it's still a phone, even without a simIs it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
However, another thought occurred to me - I think a phone can be tethered to another via it's WiFi?
I bought the phone cheap on ebay specifically as a media device and WiFi portal as my phone does not have WiFi or downloadable apps. Unlocking the phone was going to cost £20 - more than I paid for the phone, so I never bothered, and still use the old device as my phone.
Mill Wheel said:
I have a phone with no sim card in (locked to Tesco) which I use to hook up to free WiFi, and as a SatNav using the GPS and maps on an SD card.
Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
Is the 'device' in a cradle? Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
If so then no offence.
(unless the law has changed)
JM said:
Mill Wheel said:
I have a phone with no sim card in (locked to Tesco) which I use to hook up to free WiFi, and as a SatNav using the GPS and maps on an SD card.
Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
Is the 'device' in a cradle? Is it an offence to "use" the device if it is incapable of being used to communicate in the manner I have described?
The only time I ever need to touch it once I have set off is if the screen angle is picking up a reflection, but I have always wondered!
If so then no offence.
(unless the law has changed)
stef1808 said:
SVTRick said:
Truth Hurt does it?
You come onto a public forum and admit you were using a hand held device, well you have to expect some flack.
I have lost count of the times I see idiots like you trying to drive while holding and using the phone in full view.
Stop being a bell end for once in your life.
The only idiot here clearly seems to be you. I tried ignoring your comments but you keep with the insults.. You come onto a public forum and admit you were using a hand held device, well you have to expect some flack.
I have lost count of the times I see idiots like you trying to drive while holding and using the phone in full view.
Stop being a bell end for once in your life.
Without any knowledge of the situation, i.e time of day, location, other traffic on the road, what I actually did "use" my phone for etc (surely even you can figure out why I wouldn't want to write too much before any court hearings) but being so narrow minded you continue to make these stupid comment which only make you look more foolish.
Is your life really that unfulfilled you have to come on Internet forums and call people idiots?
Unsafe instances of hand held phone use were already illegal before the ban. The ban changed two things: it made the safe instances illegal too, and it introduced an offence that was easier to prove. The first part is what SVTRick would do well to understand - using a hand held phone safely is not impossible, it is illegal (just like 80mph on a motorway).
SK425 said:
It seems that SVTRick has lost track of what the truth is. Just because use of a hand held phone has been made illegal on safety grounds, and because he has witnessed instances of unsafe hand held phone use, he seems to have forgotten that it is impossible to ascertain whether any particular instance is unsafe or not without considering the sort of factors you mention. I wonder if he's also of the opinion that because safety concerns have given us a 70mph speed limit on motorways, it is invariably unsafe to drive at 80 on a motorway, regardless of the conditions.
Unsafe instances of hand held phone use were already illegal before the ban. The ban changed two things: it made the safe instances illegal too, and it introduced an offence that was easier to prove. The first part is what SVTRick would do well to understand - using a hand held phone safely is not impossible, it is illegal (just like 80mph on a motorway).
I think you give SVTRick too much credit.Unsafe instances of hand held phone use were already illegal before the ban. The ban changed two things: it made the safe instances illegal too, and it introduced an offence that was easier to prove. The first part is what SVTRick would do well to understand - using a hand held phone safely is not impossible, it is illegal (just like 80mph on a motorway).
He's just a
and seems to think this is mumsnet.Hmm I wasn't the one facing a charge in court.
And admitting using said device on a public forum.
Pity the crown offered no evidence, and forgetting you had a summons with a date
to attend - oh well shoite happens.
Ah but this is pistons heads so it must all be true
Sod you lot it that time of day, off to the pub for early evening beers and walk the dogs.
And admitting using said device on a public forum.
Pity the crown offered no evidence, and forgetting you had a summons with a date
to attend - oh well shoite happens.
Ah but this is pistons heads so it must all be true
Sod you lot it that time of day, off to the pub for early evening beers and walk the dogs.
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