No foreigners need apply!

[Hol]

Andy Zarse said:

Hol said:

Eclassy said:

Hol said:

You really WANT this to be about racism and not a business model - don't you?

Why??

But it is.

The OP's wife is dutch but lives here. She was discriminated against because of the passport she holds and nothing else.

No, she was ineligible to apply, because she did not hold a UK passport. Not because she was Dutch.

No, you misunderstand me, I suspect wilfully, so please stop playing the reverse race card.

It's neither about racism, nor any particular business model. As I have said on a number of previous post, I have no problem with a lender/broker establishing stringent underwriting criteria so I would be grateful if you'd kindly stop telling me what I think.

It is simply about a failure to abide by a basic law, not to mention a number of obligations set out by the financial regulator, which makes this a tolerable and equitable country in which to live and transact business.

Thanks for clarifying your position.

My original honest question was based entirely on how I read what you had written. Not on what you thought you meant, when you wrote it.

[KFC]

Andy Zarse said:

Then you must be thick if you think someone is going to fk off with a Skoda Yeti to Holland leaving a job, a child and every other asset behind.

What about running a credit check, looking to assess other financial metrics; do they own any UK property/assets, a private pension, do they make payments on time for utilities etc? On the electoral roll? Kids at school? Any manner of other info in the public domain.

But no, not you. You'd rather rely on racial prejudice. Bloody Dutch coming over here, why don't they fk off back to the jungle on their banana boat?

Maybe the mrs will throw you out, no house or access to the kids and just decide to bugger off back to where you came from. Its still going to leave someone else holding the bag for the car finance, whether its a Skoda Yeti or a 'real' car.

All I'm seeing is moan moan moan... even though you must know yourself there would be very good reasons for what they're doing.

[Andy Zarse]

KFC said:

Andy Zarse said:

Then you must be thick if you think someone is going to fk off with a Skoda Yeti to Holland leaving a job, a child and every other asset behind.

What about running a credit check, looking to assess other financial metrics; do they own any UK property/assets, a private pension, do they make payments on time for utilities etc? On the electoral roll? Kids at school? Any manner of other info in the public domain.

But no, not you. You'd rather rely on racial prejudice. Bloody Dutch coming over here, why don't they fk off back to the jungle on their banana boat?

Maybe the mrs will throw you out, no house or access to the kids and just decide to bugger off back to where you came from. Its still going to leave someone else holding the bag for the car finance, whether its a Skoda Yeti or a 'real' car.

All I'm seeing is moan moan moan... even though you must know yourself there would be very good reasons for what they're doing.

How unreasonable of me to expect British companies to obey British laws and regulations set out by the UK's Financial Conduct Authority. As to her clearing off to lawless darkest Holland with our child, well you're showing ignorance of the law again. She cannot take the child out of the UK without my express written permission. I'd have thought someone like you who apparently knows everything about everything would know this.

[Andy Zarse]

Hol said:

Thanks for clarifying your position.

My original honest question was based entirely on how I read what you had written. Not on what you thought you meant, when you wrote it.

[KFC]

Andy Zarse said:

She cannot take the child out of the UK without my express written permission.

Like that has stopped 1000's of parents.


Anyway I'll leave you to get back to living the dream of financing a Skoda

[Andy Zarse]

KFC said:

Andy Zarse said:

She cannot take the child out of the UK without my express written permission.

Like that has stopped 1000's of parents.


Anyway I'll leave you to get back to living the dream of financing a Skoda

Oh you silly sausage, you're so quaint and out of touch you really don't know much about how the modern world works do you?

Don't worry we found out the hard way about trying to travel solo with the infant without the relevant paperwork. I had to drive back to Gatwick to sign a letter of authority on a Friday night and wave them away a second time, when by rights I should have been safely in the pub with the boys. Without it you can't even get past Easyjet check-in these days.

Just to show you up again, and your homespun provincial bigotry, you might like to learn the Dutch don't really go much for car envy, and being a practical people I think they'd see your comment about Skoda and the most efficient route to ownership as marking you as a rather vulgar and coarse fellow.

Anyway I'll leave you to grumble about the darkies and that you can't get Izal Medicated anymore.

[Vaud]

Andy Zarse said:

Oh you silly sausage, you're so quaint and out of touch you really don't know much about how the modern world works do you?

Don't worry we found out the hard way about trying to travel solo with the infant without the relevant paperwork. I had to drive back to Gatwick to sign a letter of authority on a Friday night and wave them away a second time, when by rights I should have been safely in the pub with the boys. Without it you can't even get past Easyjet check-in these days.

Interesting - my wife flew to France last year without me - I was driving over. I had read that it could be an issue, and drafted a letter, etc but it wasn't asked for once (Jet 2) in either direction. Must be an airline decision I guess?

[Andy Zarse]

Vaud said:

Andy Zarse said:

Oh you silly sausage, you're so quaint and out of touch you really don't know much about how the modern world works do you?

Don't worry we found out the hard way about trying to travel solo with the infant without the relevant paperwork. I had to drive back to Gatwick to sign a letter of authority on a Friday night and wave them away a second time, when by rights I should have been safely in the pub with the boys. Without it you can't even get past Easyjet check-in these days.

Interesting - my wife flew to France last year without me - I was driving over. I had read that it could be an issue, and drafted a letter, etc but it wasn't asked for once (Jet 2) in either direction. Must be an airline decision I guess?

Jet2 are a bit silly if they don't ask to see the authority letter, AFAIUI they can be heavily fined if something later goes wrong. BA and Easyjet always insist on seeing it in our experience. I also once even had Dutch passport officer on the phone to make sure the letter was valid by asking me silly trick questions; and that was for a Dutch mother and Dutch child going home to England! I accept anyone could forge such a document, but you could be in a world of pain if you got caught passing a forged document.

[KFC]

Vaud said:

Interesting - my wife flew to France last year without me - I was driving over. I had read that it could be an issue, and drafted a letter, etc but it wasn't asked for once (Jet 2) in either direction. Must be an airline decision I guess?

Back in the real world, if the name on a childs passport matches the surname of the adult they're flying with, you're never likely to experience any problems. I've flown in and out of UK with my 2 year old nephew, and my (at the time) 10 year old brother. I share a surname with the kids... nobody ever questions it. It'll just be assumed you're the parent, and you're going on a regular family trip and they couldn't care less.

[Mutley]

KFC said:

Vaud said:

Interesting - my wife flew to France last year without me - I was driving over. I had read that it could be an issue, and drafted a letter, etc but it wasn't asked for once (Jet 2) in either direction. Must be an airline decision I guess?

Back in the real world, if the name on a childs passport matches the surname of the adult they're flying with, you're never likely to experience any problems. I've flown in and out of UK with my 2 year old nephew, and my (at the time) 10 year old brother. I share a surname with the kids... nobody ever questions it. It'll just be assumed you're the parent, and you're going on a regular family trip and they couldn't care less.

And a further trip into the real world:
www.gov.uk/permission-take-child-abroad

You need to be able to show, on demand, that you have consent to remove a child from its country of residence. Simple as that, even if you have the same surname.
It is to prevent child abduction, that a carrier doesn't check, is their lookout.

Travelling with my nephew last year I needed a letter of authorisation to travel with him. If his father travels with just him, he needs a letter.

[KFC]

Legally needing to be able to prove it, and actually being asked to prove it, are two completely separate things.

You didn't mention in your post but do you have different surnames? If you do then perhaps thats why you're getting asked and I'm not.

Either way, all the trips I've made with the kids (perhaps 1 - 5 a year for the last 6 or 7 years or so) and I'ver never once been asked to prove I have permission. In the last couple of years my sister travelling alone with her son has never had to prove anything either.

[Vaud]

Interesting, two points.

1) "You might be asked for the letter at a UK or foreign border" - which implies it is not mandatory for the airlines to ask...

2) "You automatically have parental responsibility if you’re the child’s mother, but you still need the permission of anyone else with parental responsibility before you take the child abroad."
I will need to be careful on this as my daughter has a different name to me.


Although it says "taking a child abroad" does anyone have experience of this flying domestically? Any airlines extend this rule to UK only flights?

[Andy Zarse]

Vaud said:

Interesting, two points.

1) "You might be asked for the letter at a UK or foreign border" - which implies it is not mandatory for the airlines to ask...

2) "You automatically have parental responsibility if you’re the child’s mother, but you still need the permission of anyone else with parental responsibility before you take the child abroad."
I will need to be careful on this as my daughter has a different name to me.


Although it says "taking a child abroad" does anyone have experience of this flying domestically? Any airlines extend this rule to UK only flights?

Never had a problem travelling domestically, but presumably it's more lenient?

Re the different names, very good point. Yes, my OH also has a different surname to my son, who has mine. This may be a reason why our mother/son combo get strongly flagged? Anyway she always carries a copy of his birth certificate too, as belt and braces.