Totting up ban looming...
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Given that you continued to accumulate points even after passing the threshold for a ban I doubt you will be viewed to favorably in court. Bearing in mind you keep getting caught is it not fairly likely that your behavior and its effect on your driving is acting like a beacon to the police. If the case is simply that your constantly on your phone then surely an accident is inevitable...
If you're thinking of employing a lawyer at 5/6 grand for standing up in court for you for 15 minutes then you either can afford a receptionist AND chauffeur or you equate charging massive fees with success.
I bet you don't charge that hourly rate (not that it will be an hours work)
He'll get a junior to prepare a case
Own business....check
Drives for the business...check
Employees depend on the boss driving...check.
That'll be the easiest money he'll make in a while.
In fact give me 4k and i'll represent you myself. Although i'll need to take a day off from my milk round.
What is it you actually do to be taking that make enquires a day? 150 a day is a mobile call centre!
Your standard of driving is frankly poor. To have that many points and still be racking up more with prosecutions pending is inexcusable.
As others have said. Find another solution. You will likely end up causing an incident and hurting someone or hurting yourself.
Your standard of driving is frankly poor. To have that many points and still be racking up more with prosecutions pending is inexcusable.
As others have said. Find another solution. You will likely end up causing an incident and hurting someone or hurting yourself.
Jamster123 said:
So Im on 12 points with another 6 pending.
Took on a lawyer who was confident of getting me off at 15 under exceptional hardship, but taking a very lovely sum of around 5/6k to do so.
Since then I got another 3 ...I know, I know, but its done now. Mostly for phone.
Rely on licence very much for business etc, but Im weighing up my options and thinking about taking the ban.
I can employ a driver for 6months for cheaper that the solicitors fee's, plus by employing someone its tax deductible.
Am I right in saying that the slate will be clean if I accept the ban ? I know the ban will hurt, but maybe its only way Im gonna learn.
Several useful suggestions here:-Took on a lawyer who was confident of getting me off at 15 under exceptional hardship, but taking a very lovely sum of around 5/6k to do so.
Since then I got another 3 ...I know, I know, but its done now. Mostly for phone.
Rely on licence very much for business etc, but Im weighing up my options and thinking about taking the ban.
I can employ a driver for 6months for cheaper that the solicitors fee's, plus by employing someone its tax deductible.
Am I right in saying that the slate will be clean if I accept the ban ? I know the ban will hurt, but maybe its only way Im gonna learn.
http://tinyurl.com/keo4xmq
Almost any one of those should avoid trouble in the future.
Jamster123 said:
Yeah I know, its silly.
Was at 12points awaiting court date and got more points.
Im taking 100-150 business calls/texts/emails a day so thats the problem right there. I should have an receptionist, Its my company, so Im alway eager to answer these enquiries, and Im always on the road. Got hands free etc etc, but actually the few times Ive been caught on phone its been just holding phone by side, rather than up at ear, but as the copper says holding the phone is holding the phone.
The ban will be the only way Ill learn I guess. Exceptional hardship plea was based on my business being my livelihood and the potential job losses at my company, but I guess employing a driver we can get by.
Just tell the court how busy and important you are.....that should do the trickWas at 12points awaiting court date and got more points.
Im taking 100-150 business calls/texts/emails a day so thats the problem right there. I should have an receptionist, Its my company, so Im alway eager to answer these enquiries, and Im always on the road. Got hands free etc etc, but actually the few times Ive been caught on phone its been just holding phone by side, rather than up at ear, but as the copper says holding the phone is holding the phone.
The ban will be the only way Ill learn I guess. Exceptional hardship plea was based on my business being my livelihood and the potential job losses at my company, but I guess employing a driver we can get by.
Jamster123 said:
....Its texting thats the big problem actually. Ive been taking calls on handsfree for some time now, I think its rare to see anyone with phone to ear now, but I ALWAYS clock people looking down to text, which is where Ive been caught too 
Did you plead hardship last time to keep your licence? Pretty sure you can only use this so once in a certain time period.
As others had said..
http://go.ereceptionist.co.uk/telephone_system_for...
As others had said..
http://go.ereceptionist.co.uk/telephone_system_for...
That many points is just ridiculous and you obviously shouldn't be driving if you're that busy, your head will always be elsewhere when you're behind the wheel. Employ a driver now and then represent yourself in court saying that you've finally seen the errors of your ways and you've employed a driver and you expect a ban - don't get rid of the driver after your ban!
Hackney said:
Take the ban.
Not because it's better for you, but because it means one less idiot on the roads.
You can do all the shrugs and "I know, I know" you like but clearly.
YOU DO NOT f
kING KNOW AND YOU NEED TO fkING LEARN.
As do the other thousands of drivers who still use the phone.
Agree, I have no sympathy at all with the op. Texting while driving is one of the most dangerous things you can do.Not because it's better for you, but because it means one less idiot on the roads.
You can do all the shrugs and "I know, I know" you like but clearly.
YOU DO NOT f
kING KNOW AND YOU NEED TO fkING LEARN.As do the other thousands of drivers who still use the phone.
Many of us have run businesses and needed to be in contact.
150 calls/texts a day - FFS are you offering free blow jobs or what? 2mins each one. Thats like 5 hrs solid on calls/text a day let alone the 6 quotes at jobs you do at what 30 mins each one with say 20mins drive each one so thats another 4 hrs at the quote. What about paperwork for doing then sending out the quotes let alone doing the work. Sole trader or employ people?
Seriously just live in a caravan and tow it around with you.
Seriously just live in a caravan and tow it around with you.
Edited by superlightr on Thursday 14th May 10:56
ging84 said:
the numbers on this are somewhat confusing me
I am surprised this thread make it to 2 pages with barely a single preachy post
But i really struggle to understand how anyone gets 18 points these days, especially if the are all from 3 point offences
My experience being a young driver who liked to break the law, was that i could get away with a warning, 80-90% of the times i was pulled over, so that equates to being caught up to 60 times to get 6 tickets, ok cop cars have a lot more cameras, and driver awareness course options might mean they are a little more ticket happy these days, but with the levels of policing now i very rarely see a police car and that's not because i'm not good at spotting them, ok i don't do a huge mileage, but i reckon if i kept a reasonably sharp eye out for police and speed cameras, I could more or less ignore all speed limits, and use my phone when ever i want (ok i don't get a lot of calls) and still struggle to get 12 points in 3 years.
It's not police cars IME (though I don't have any points for using a phone) or static cameras, it's vans and motorbikes on the shaded side of a fast road with a clear view for some distance - if you're speeding and they're paying attention, you won't be able to get on the brakes fast enough even if you know where they're going to be and your foot is covering the brake. So it just becomes some function of how much mileage you do on roads you're not familiar with. And of course, how inattentive you are.I am surprised this thread make it to 2 pages with barely a single preachy post
But i really struggle to understand how anyone gets 18 points these days, especially if the are all from 3 point offences
My experience being a young driver who liked to break the law, was that i could get away with a warning, 80-90% of the times i was pulled over, so that equates to being caught up to 60 times to get 6 tickets, ok cop cars have a lot more cameras, and driver awareness course options might mean they are a little more ticket happy these days, but with the levels of policing now i very rarely see a police car and that's not because i'm not good at spotting them, ok i don't do a huge mileage, but i reckon if i kept a reasonably sharp eye out for police and speed cameras, I could more or less ignore all speed limits, and use my phone when ever i want (ok i don't get a lot of calls) and still struggle to get 12 points in 3 years.
Jamster123 said:
Yeah I know, its silly.
Was at 12points awaiting court date and got more points.
Im taking 100-150 business calls/texts/emails a day so thats the problem right there. I should have an receptionist, Its my company, so Im alway eager to answer these enquiries, and Im always on the road. Got hands free etc etc, but actually the few times Ive been caught on phone its been just holding phone by side, rather than up at ear, but as the copper says holding the phone is holding the phone.
The ban will be the only way Ill learn I guess. Exceptional hardship plea was based on my business being my livelihood and the potential job losses at my company, but I guess employing a driver we can get by.
I do hope the court gets wind of this thread and the sWas at 12points awaiting court date and got more points.
Im taking 100-150 business calls/texts/emails a day so thats the problem right there. I should have an receptionist, Its my company, so Im alway eager to answer these enquiries, and Im always on the road. Got hands free etc etc, but actually the few times Ive been caught on phone its been just holding phone by side, rather than up at ear, but as the copper says holding the phone is holding the phone.
The ban will be the only way Ill learn I guess. Exceptional hardship plea was based on my business being my livelihood and the potential job losses at my company, but I guess employing a driver we can get by.
t you have posted. A very long ban, probationary period and a re test is what people like you need. At least.REALIST123 said:
Jamster123 said:
Yeah I know, its silly.
Was at 12points awaiting court date and got more points.
Im taking 100-150 business calls/texts/emails a day so thats the problem right there. I should have an receptionist, Its my company, so Im alway eager to answer these enquiries, and Im always on the road. Got hands free etc etc, but actually the few times Ive been caught on phone its been just holding phone by side, rather than up at ear, but as the copper says holding the phone is holding the phone.
The ban will be the only way Ill learn I guess. Exceptional hardship plea was based on my business being my livelihood and the potential job losses at my company, but I guess employing a driver we can get by.
I do hope the court gets wind of this thread and the sWas at 12points awaiting court date and got more points.
Im taking 100-150 business calls/texts/emails a day so thats the problem right there. I should have an receptionist, Its my company, so Im alway eager to answer these enquiries, and Im always on the road. Got hands free etc etc, but actually the few times Ive been caught on phone its been just holding phone by side, rather than up at ear, but as the copper says holding the phone is holding the phone.
The ban will be the only way Ill learn I guess. Exceptional hardship plea was based on my business being my livelihood and the potential job losses at my company, but I guess employing a driver we can get by.
t you have posted. A very long ban, probationary period and a re test is what people like you need. At least.Op it sounds like you really want to take the ban, to show you the error of your ways, this is very noble of you, perhaps you would even consider begging the magistrate to extend the ban indefinitely?
You know it's wrong, you know it's stupid, but you just can't help yourself?
Take the ban and be grateful.
One less idiot.
You know it's wrong, you know it's stupid, but you just can't help yourself?
Take the ban and be grateful.
One less idiot.
Cooperman said:
IMHO texting whilst driving should be classed the same as drink-driving. i.e, an automatic 12 month minimum ban for 1st offence with a 3-year ban for a second offence. No excuses at all. Sorry to be so blunt, but innocent people have been killed by texting drivers.
If you choose to drive drunk, you are drunk for the entirety of your journey, regardless of the traffic conditions you encounter or the hazards around you. Very dangerous.However, on any given journey, there are often periods where the driver has nothing to do - stuck in traffic, or at a set of traffic lights which is red for two/three minutes at a time. The police are more than happy to nick people who choose to use their phone at such times, because they are breaking the letter of the law rathe than the spirit of it. Are you really in favour of yet another piece of legislation which might see people banned for acting in a way that contravenes the letter of the law without putting anyone at any risk?
If one could rely on the discretion of the police and the courts, then it might have some merit, but those days are long gone - they both love dishing tickets to motorists for just about anything these days. It's all "think of the children" hysteria regardless of the level of actual danger.
PS: OP - buy a hands free kit you div!
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