Speeding driver ordered to pay £11,000!!

Speeding driver ordered to pay £11,000!!

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HantsRat

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108 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-32733002

What an idiot!

A speeding driver has to pay £11,000 for challenging his ticket after a prosecution expert hired an airfield and a sports car to prove him wrong.

David Pickup, 45, was clocked doing 101mph in his Audi R8 on the A55 at Lloc in Flintshire in April 2014.
Flintshire Magistrates' Court heard a police speed camera caught him and he asked officers: "Can we call it 98?".

Pickup, from Wilmslow, Cheshire, who has a holiday home in Abersoch, Gwynedd, was convicted of speeding.
He denied breaking the 70mph speed limit and said that a number of people from Cheshire had second homes in Abersoch, which he called a millionaire's paradise.

The defence questioned the accuracy of the in-car police speed camera so the prosecution hired an expert who rented an airfield and an Audi R8 to carry out tests, the results of which were presented to the court.
Pickup was fined £675, given six points on his licence and ordered to pay the full prosecution costs - which included the testing - of £10,384.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Full costs! fk me.

thismonkeyhere

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231 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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hornetrider said:
Full costs! fk me.
And fk him for being a tt.

Gargamel

14,974 posts

261 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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I wonder how he thought mentioning his holiday home would help his case.


barney123

494 posts

211 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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thismonkeyhere said:
And fk him for being a tt.
This.

I'd like to know who makes that call - presumably they don't hire airfields for every contested ticket .....

HantsRat

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Thursday 14th May 2015
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He can't be that loaded if he can only afford an R8.

MitchT

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209 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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How did hiring an airfield and an Audi R8 help the prosecution? What were they trying to prove? Not enough information.

KarlMac

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141 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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MitchT said:
How did hiring and airfield and an Audi R8 help the prosecution? What were they trying to prove? Not enough information.
Accuracy of the equipment I'd guess.

Raify

6,552 posts

248 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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KarlMac said:
MitchT said:
How did hiring and airfield and an Audi R8 help the prosecution? What were they trying to prove? Not enough information.
Accuracy of the equipment I'd guess.
But you could check the accuracy of the equipment using a large empty car park and the Sergeant's diesel fiesta: cost 30minutes of 2 people's time.

Must be something more to the story.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

188 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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MitchT said:
How did hiring an airfield and an Audi R8 help the prosecution? What were they trying to prove? Not enough information.
That the equipment was accurate. An airfield so you can test it at the speeds involved in the case without using a public road and an Audi R8 so the defence cannot claim that the type of car being detected would have an effect.

It serves him right. Plonker.

Devil2575

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Thursday 14th May 2015
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Raify said:
KarlMac said:
MitchT said:
How did hiring and airfield and an Audi R8 help the prosecution? What were they trying to prove? Not enough information.
Accuracy of the equipment I'd guess.
But you could check the accuracy of the equipment using a large empty car park and the Sergeant's diesel fiesta: cost 30minutes of 2 people's time.

Must be something more to the story.
Except you'd need to demonstrate accuracy at the speed concerned.

Lazadude

1,732 posts

161 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Guess he argued the laser would have hit a curved surface not a flat one and therefore the reading was wrong?

supermono

7,368 posts

248 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Isn't this stuff tested before they use it? Surely if their type approval process leaves some doubt it shouldn't be used. How come this guy had to subsidise the testing the public should already expect to have been carried out?

Perhaps more to it than reported, or perhaps another case of completely out of touch mags coupled with the Welsh ludicrous obsession with speed coupled with a bit of the politics of envy.

Either way, it's an outrage that a MOP should have unlimited exposure to pay for whatever fun experiments plod should feel like undertaking because their equipment isn't properly tested.

Hopefully he'll get that overturned on appeal, sure they can tax him for the poxy 101mph if they feel it necessary but the rest.... seething mad.

HantsRat

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2,369 posts

108 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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The equipment is properly tested. This plonker still decided to try it on though. The magistrates should have just fined him at the first hearing though and ignored his rubbish defence.

speedking31

3,556 posts

136 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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But he had no control over those costs. I suppose the court has decided that they are proportionate, doesn't seem so to me. Who in their right mind spends >£10k to prove a <£1k offence? If there had been an accident or a death then yes, but just for speeding.

supermono

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248 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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HantsRat said:
The equipment is properly tested. This plonker still decided to try it on though. The magistrates should have just fined him at the first hearing though and ignored his rubbish defence.
If it's properly tested then all it would take to overturn his defence would be production of the testing evidence.

Clearly it wasn't properly tested if that testing evidence was insufficient to convince the mag.



photosnob

1,339 posts

118 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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I have no inside information about this. But there MUST be more to this story than is being reported.

jith

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215 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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HantsRat said:
The equipment is properly tested. This plonker still decided to try it on though. The magistrates should have just fined him at the first hearing though and ignored his rubbish defence.
You never give up, do you Steve?

J

GreatGranny

9,124 posts

226 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Typical Abersoch holiday home owner from Wilmslow.

Reason why I don't go there anymore.

HantsRat

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Thursday 14th May 2015
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jith said:
You never give up, do you Steve?

J
Who's Steve?