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SK425 said:
I see you've commented in another post about vehicles approaching with a high speed differential. The obvious point is that nothing says the priority described in rule 133 only applies up to a certain speed differential. If your lane change causes them to have to slow down, you're still in the wrong - you've still broken the rule.
That appears to contradict what you said earlier:SK425 said:
Are you interpreting rule 133 (or anything I've posted) as suggesting that you are required to complete your overtake and return to your original lane before anybody catches you? That would be barking! As you say, the overtake might take some time. Indeed, if there's a lot of traffic about you might not even be able to see a space to return to your original lane yet. You might spend the next ten miles overtaking stuff.
No it doesn't. In the top quote, we're talking of changing lanes. In the bottom one, the theme is overtaking.
There's no way you don't understand this. You've got a computer, the ability to create a log in and enough English language skill to type entirely coherent posts. You're not as stupid as you're making out, which begs the question, why would you want to spend your free time desperately trying to convince some strangers on the internet that you're *less* intelligent than you really are? That's like spending Friday nights in town trying to make all the pretty girls believe you're hung like a hamster.
I don't get it.
There's no way you don't understand this. You've got a computer, the ability to create a log in and enough English language skill to type entirely coherent posts. You're not as stupid as you're making out, which begs the question, why would you want to spend your free time desperately trying to convince some strangers on the internet that you're *less* intelligent than you really are? That's like spending Friday nights in town trying to make all the pretty girls believe you're hung like a hamster.
I don't get it.
Excuse me while I try and clean the explosion of coffee off my keyboard. Again. ferrariF50lover said:
No it doesn't. In the top quote, we're talking of changing lanes. In the bottom one, the theme is overtaking.
But...you have to change lanes to overtake.It's a serious point derived from the OP - at what stage does baulking the traffic behind in changing lanes (to overtake) switch from unacceptable to acceptable?
Sheepshanks said:
It's a serious point derived from the OP - at what stage does baulking the traffic behind in changing lanes (to overtake) switch from unacceptable to acceptable?
For me it would be the stage at which you force them to use the brakes rather than slow by backing off the throttle. But that's a purely personal opinion - because I think people pulling out forcing the person behind to brake are basically unobservant, or rude, or selfish, or all three.I think this simple rule which I was taught many years ago will help settle this.
Never do anything that results in another road user having to change or adapt their driving. So if you are changing lane, wait until the gap is big enough.
If you are joining a road, match the speed of the traffic and join, don't bumble on at 40mph expecting people to move for you.
Mirror Signal Maneuver
Not Maneuver, signal and maybe mirror as seems to be the trait nowadays.
Never do anything that results in another road user having to change or adapt their driving. So if you are changing lane, wait until the gap is big enough.
If you are joining a road, match the speed of the traffic and join, don't bumble on at 40mph expecting people to move for you.
Mirror Signal Maneuver
Not Maneuver, signal and maybe mirror as seems to be the trait nowadays.
Cat said:
It is absolutely reasonable to expect that a driver makes sufficient observations to be certain of the speed of an approaching vehicle before moving into its path. If they are unable to judge the speed of an approaching vehicle with a glance in the mirror then they need to do more than glance in the mirror.
Cat
This is the key for me. Just add another half second or so to looking in your mirror and you'll nail it. This isn't rocket science.Cat
SK425 said:
You're perhaps in danger of overthinking this. When you're in an overtaking lane, have you ever been forced to slow down because someone's pulling out in front of you? The simple advice is: don't do that to people 
.
Perhaps if you've not known what the etiquette was until now you've never felt the inconvenience when people have done that to you. I kind of envy you that - it's a disappointingly widespread problem. I'd suggest that you spend a little while now when you're driving on multi-lane roads just observing how people go about their lane changing and their interaction with the drivers behind. I think it will be pretty obvious which drivers are treating others with respect and courtesy and which are acting selfishly. Be one of the first kind - watch how they do it and use that as a model for how you do it.
I see you've commented in another post about vehicles approaching with a high speed differential. The obvious point is that nothing says the priority described in rule 133 only applies up to a certain speed differential. If your lane change causes them to have to slow down, you're still in the wrong - you've still broken the rule. That said, I think anyone who travels at unusually high speed would be wise to remember that, at a distance, it is very easy for the human brain of the driver ahead to misperceive the closing speed, and so the fast driver ought to be prepared for people to sometimes not afford them proper priority (like changing lanes in front of them, or pulling out of side roads) at a distance that wouldn't be an issue if the fast driver was doing a more normal speed. That's doesn't excuse the driver who pulls out when they shouldn't, but in the unlikely event that they found themselves on an Inconsiderate Driving charge I imagine it might at least provide some mitigation.
I'd suggest that people travelling at such high speeds could be being somewhat selfish themselves..Perhaps if you've not known what the etiquette was until now you've never felt the inconvenience when people have done that to you. I kind of envy you that - it's a disappointingly widespread problem. I'd suggest that you spend a little while now when you're driving on multi-lane roads just observing how people go about their lane changing and their interaction with the drivers behind. I think it will be pretty obvious which drivers are treating others with respect and courtesy and which are acting selfishly. Be one of the first kind - watch how they do it and use that as a model for how you do it.
I see you've commented in another post about vehicles approaching with a high speed differential. The obvious point is that nothing says the priority described in rule 133 only applies up to a certain speed differential. If your lane change causes them to have to slow down, you're still in the wrong - you've still broken the rule. That said, I think anyone who travels at unusually high speed would be wise to remember that, at a distance, it is very easy for the human brain of the driver ahead to misperceive the closing speed, and so the fast driver ought to be prepared for people to sometimes not afford them proper priority (like changing lanes in front of them, or pulling out of side roads) at a distance that wouldn't be an issue if the fast driver was doing a more normal speed. That's doesn't excuse the driver who pulls out when they shouldn't, but in the unlikely event that they found themselves on an Inconsiderate Driving charge I imagine it might at least provide some mitigation.
Edited by SK425 on Sunday 17th May 19:39
Showing consideration isn't a one way street. I'd say that expecting that others may want to move out to overtake and so not driving in a way that makes it hard for them to do so is also considerate.
It's the same principle on roundabouts where cars are queuing to join. A gap appears that would be fine if the next car was travelling at the same speed as everyone else but they're going faster so they effectively close the gap. It's an issue for wagons and when I drove to work more regularly I used to see drivers getting angry with HGV drivers who had pulled into a space causing the roundabout racer to slow down.
Sheepshanks said:
Mr2Mike said:
So you simply pull out into the path of passing traffic, causing them to brake or slow down, and you believe that is justifiable?
Yes. The alternative is that I'd have to slow down. Genuine question: One of us is going to have to slow down - why should it be me?
Mr2Mike said:
Perhaps you'd feel more at home on mumsnet where most of the members are completely oblivious about the traffic sharing the roads with them.
If I was bombing down lane 3 then I'd anticipate that a vehicle in lane 2 approaching a slower vehicle may pull out, so I'd back off anyway - I wouldn't just plough on regardless. Although many people do, and they'd probably seek to blame the driver in front if they smashed into the back of them.At this point, you should make extra observations of the traffic around you (as I'm sure you are regularly observing your surroundings as you should, right?) to look for a gap to move into should you need to move for traffic joining, what speed the outside lane is doing so that you can accelerate to join the flow if you do move and doing this is plenty time with signals and checks of your mirror.
So, you ignorant, self absorbed, idiotic
, you're still wrong. You are in fact the problem with the UKs motorways, please hand in your membership at the front door on your way out. Just don't pull out on anyone and blame them for it on your way will you?DottyMR2 said:
...look for a gap to move into should you need to move for traffic joining,
So you can move into a "gap" in faster passing traffic without causing any disturbance to the vehicles behind the gap?The reality in most everyday traffic situations is that there would be a tidal wave of brake lights coming on as everything behind the gap slowed, if only to re-establish the gap.
And (back to the OP again) what if the vehicle behind the gap is some way back, but turns out to have been doing 120?
PoleDriver said:
Sheepshanks said:
What would happen if you were driving at between 110 and 120MPH?
I think many of the comments here are out of order. At 110 you're absolutely flying compared to the rest of the traffic - you're upon things in an instant.
Only if you have slow reactions! At 110 things do happen quicker, it's not till you start getting above 150 or 160 that things start to get hairy!I think many of the comments here are out of order. At 110 you're absolutely flying compared to the rest of the traffic - you're upon things in an instant.
This is the UK. The limit is 70. The vast majority of drivers are incompetent, even at that speed. We have to share the roads with them. Hence we all need to take a bit of care.
Talk of 150 or 160 just makes you sound like a child. Or a fairly immature adult.
Devil2575 said:
Showing consideration isn't a one way street. I'd say that expecting that others may want to move out to overtake and so not driving in a way that makes it hard for them to do so is also considerate.
I agree, and it's also not too much to expect that those doing such speeds should show some caution when approaching slower traffic ahead.Having said that, is it really too much to ask that someone wanting to pull out should perhaps wait another few seconds until the faster car has passed?
It's really all about reading the road properly and driving accordingly.
Devil2575 said:
It's the same principle on roundabouts where cars are queuing to join. A gap appears that would be fine if the next car was travelling at the same speed as everyone else but they're going faster so they effectively close the gap. It's an issue for wagons and when I drove to work more regularly I used to see drivers getting angry with HGV drivers who had pulled into a space causing the roundabout racer to slow down.
Then again, it could also be that your 'roundabout racer' is the one doing a normal speed, and those in front that are going too slow.It could also be that because of going faster, they've opened up a gap behind them which would otherwise not have existed.
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