Hit by an unmarked police car
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TooMany2cvs said:
Boo! The link requires you to log in...
http://ww.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.ph...The PH one doesn't:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Someone made up a story to try to get people to think about road rage. I think the person that made up the story should have been headhunted to an Office of Police & Crime Commissioner somewhere.
Though I guess it's little different from Alastair Campbell's little WMD Team cribbing an out of date PhD thesis from the Interweb and repeating the same points over and over again with varying amounts of bulletpoints. That didn't do any harm did it.
As the scenario set out in the OP's initial post seems to depict a police accident, does anyone want to venture an opinion on whether the OP's friend, even if they may be an imaginery friend, would have been given the police accident reference number.
As it seems likely any such police accident would have been covered by the local press does anyone think they may have carried the police accident reference number in their coverage along with an appeal for witnesses?
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 19th May 19:51
carinaman said:
TooMany2cvs said:
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wibblebrain said:
It's about time someone called time on this kind of unnecessarily aggressive post. It's offensive and is spoiling the Forum as a whole.
DottyMR2 has crossed a line........
It's about time someone called time on the Sheepshank style of driving. It's dangerous, and makes sharing the roads with drivers like this unpleasant at best.DottyMR2 has crossed a line........
Sheepshanks has crossed many lines, without making any observations and probably without indicating.
Sheepshanks said:
ferrariF50lover said:
No it doesn't. In the top quote, we're talking of changing lanes. In the bottom one, the theme is overtaking.
But...you have to change lanes to overtake.It's a serious point derived from the OP - at what stage does baulking the traffic behind in changing lanes (to overtake) switch from unacceptable to acceptable?
If you have to change course or speed because someone is pulling out in front of you, they have done something wrong. If you have to change course or speed because you catch up with someone in the same lane as you, that's obviously fine.
Have you had a chance to watch how people go about it over the last few days? Rather than trying to work out a formula to calculate the boundary between right and wrong with millimetre precision - something I fear you would be doomed to fail - just observe people for a bit. I really think it will be quite apparent which drivers are changing lanes considerately and which ones are changing lanes thoughtlessly.
SK425 said:
If you have to change course or speed because someone is pulling out in front of you, they have done something wrong. If you have to change course or speed because you catch up with someone in the same lane as you, that's obviously fine.
Sheeps is getting unnecessarily beaten up on this. There is a big difference between someone pulling out to pass slower traffic into a 50m gap with a car closing up 30MPH faster and someone doing the same into a 500m, or even 5000m "gap". But in all cases he's causing the the cars behind to change speed. Pretty much the ONLY skill needed on motorways is to correctly modify your speed and course to take into account the actions (and expected actions) of other road users. Every driver should be doing that all the time. If you've never made another driver change their course or speed, you've probably never driven on a motorway.
SK425 said:
I really think it will be quite apparent which drivers are changing lanes considerately and which ones are changing lanes thoughtlessly.
^This^ however, is spot on.silentbrown said:
But in all cases he's causing the the cars behind to change speed.
Exactly.silentbrown said:
Pretty much the ONLY skill needed on motorways is to correctly modify your speed and course to take into account the actions (and expected actions) of other road users. Every driver should be doing that all the time. If you've never made another driver change their course or speed, you've probably never driven on a motorway.
Exactly again.My issue with those making the black and white assertion that they have priority is that in practice it's an unworkable notion. Where a driver doing 80 might effortlessly adjust his speed to allow a driver doing 70 to merge into a 50 yard gap, another doing 95 might be peeved when the clear 200 yards in front is obstructed. And someone doing 120 (to take the OP at face value) might crash into the merged vehicle.
Sheepshanks said:
My issue with those making the black and white assertion that they have priority is that in practice it's an unworkable notion.
Actually what people have taken issue with is your apparent stance of pulling out regardless of the effects on other road users, because why should you ever have to slow down or inconvenience yourself? As per this comment:
Sheepshanks said:
Mr2Mike said:
So you simply pull out into the path of passing traffic, causing them to brake or slow down, and you believe that is justifiable?
Yes. The alternative is that I'd have to slow down. Genuine question: One of us is going to have to slow down - why should it be me?
_dobbo_ said:
Actually what people have taken issue with is your apparent stance of pulling out regardless of the effects on other road users, because why should you ever have to slow down or inconvenience yourself?
It's a discussion point with the people who feel that they should have priority and shouldn't have to slow down or be inconvenienced.Sheepshanks said:
It's a discussion point with the people who feel that they should have priority and shouldn't have to slow down or be inconvenienced.
Seems like you're having a different discussion. Nobody that I can see is saying (except for you, amusingly) that they shouldn't have to slow down or be inconvenienced, they are saying that considerate road users modify their speed to ensure they don't inconvenience other road users, where possible.You're the one making a black and white statement, then complaining that others are treating it as black and white.
Sheepshanks said:
_dobbo_ said:
Actually what people have taken issue with is your apparent stance of pulling out regardless of the effects on other road users, because why should you ever have to slow down or inconvenience yourself?
It's a discussion point with the people who feel that they should have priority and shouldn't have to slow down or be inconvenienced.It's not unreasonable to expect people not to pull out in front of you but if you are travelling well in excess of the limit then you need to expect that other road users may not adequately judge your speed. If you're steaming along at 140 mph in the outside lane and a car doing 70 mph moves out to pass then you need to remember they only have their rear view mirror to judge and you may have been 100 meters back when they did their last check. While we all have a responsibility to check before we move, those of us who wish to drive much faster than everyone else also need to consider the impact of their actions on others too.
Also on a busy road it's common courtesy to allow others to move out and pass a slower moving vehicle, even if it means you might be delayed for 2 seconds or, horror of horrors, end up behind them in the outside lane queue!!
PoleDriver said:
Unfortunately there is another mind-set which often applies here!
It's the one which says "He's exceeding the speed limit, I'm keeping to the law, so he has to slow down and let me out!"
I've actually heard people saying this in the past!
Muppets!!
It's the one which says "He's exceeding the speed limit, I'm keeping to the law, so he has to slow down and let me out!"
I've actually heard people saying this in the past!
Muppets!!
He's driving too fast so he'll have to slow down to my speed.
Tossers of the highest order.
PoleDriver said:
Unfortunately there is another mind-set which often applies here!
It's the one which says "He's exceeding the speed limit, I'm keeping to the law, so he has to slow down and let me out!"
I've actually heard people saying this in the past!
Muppets!!
The camera mentality means you can't blame people for thinking that now, whereas in the past they've have sped up to merge in. I got done on a motorway by a very well hidden camera and a couple of my colleagues who use the M40 a lot have been done in the last few months.It's the one which says "He's exceeding the speed limit, I'm keeping to the law, so he has to slow down and let me out!"
I've actually heard people saying this in the past!
Muppets!!
Sheepshanks said:
So what's the difference between pulling out in front of someone and them catching you up?
In the first instance you have, by your actions, caused someone else to have to change speed or direction.In the latter instance you've not done anything - they have to change speed or direction simply because you're there.
Of course, it's just common courtesy to move over if you can, in order that they don't have to change speed or direction, but that's besides the point.
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I always expect people to pull out in front of me, whatever my normal travelling speed - it's happened to me more than a few times.
Devil2575 said:
It's not unreasonable to expect people not to pull out in front of you but if you are travelling well in excess of the limit then you need to expect that other road users may not adequately judge your speed.
... which is why most people who drive at high speeds slow down when they see slower traffic up ahead, and the ones who don't are probably going to end up being forcibly slowed down sooner or later.I always expect people to pull out in front of me, whatever my normal travelling speed - it's happened to me more than a few times.
Sheepshanks said:
Hackney said:
THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE LANE YOU'RE IN
Repeat of earlier question: How did they get there?Maybe they came form a lane joining on the right of the motorway, like this
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.542866,-0.028142...
Therefore no lane changing by the other party was required. They are just.... there.
Edited by Hackney on Thursday 21st May 15:06
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