Somewhat peeved - done for 82 on motorway????
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walm said:
It's the system, man.
You gotta fight the system.
Down with the nanny state trying to infringe my civil liberty to drive at whatever speed I deem appropriate.
I mean, sure, most morons behind the wheel are a total liability above 80 but that's irrelevant - IT'S MY RIGHT!!
What point are you trying to make?You gotta fight the system.
Down with the nanny state trying to infringe my civil liberty to drive at whatever speed I deem appropriate.
I mean, sure, most morons behind the wheel are a total liability above 80 but that's irrelevant - IT'S MY RIGHT!!
Dr Jekyll said:
walm said:
It's the system, man.
You gotta fight the system.
Down with the nanny state trying to infringe my civil liberty to drive at whatever speed I deem appropriate.
I mean, sure, most morons behind the wheel are a total liability above 80 but that's irrelevant - IT'S MY RIGHT!!
What point are you trying to make?You gotta fight the system.
Down with the nanny state trying to infringe my civil liberty to drive at whatever speed I deem appropriate.
I mean, sure, most morons behind the wheel are a total liability above 80 but that's irrelevant - IT'S MY RIGHT!!
Corpulent Tosser said:
robinessex said:
Irritates the F***K out of me. I'm capable, when the conditions are ok, to drive faster, SAFELY, so why the bloody hell can't I?
The argument may well be that not everyone is a driving god like yourself and the law has to account for lesser beings and their lack of driving talent.Seriously though, when and how does the 70 limit actual cause you a problem, given that you can in most circumstances increase that to 80mph without fear of prosecution.
If there wasn't a 70 limit we wouldn't get d
heads like the driver last night in the outside lane of an almost deserted 3 lane section of the A3 doing 70 and not moving over. It didn't cause me a problem as I just stayed in the left lane and went past them. It is drivers like them who should feel the full force of the law not somebody a few mph over an unrealistic limit.
Pete317 said:
anonymous said:
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Judging by the relative amount of traffic on the rest of this site, I would say that the car enthusiasts avoid SP&L in their droves.This has become the territory of the pontificators.
HantsRat said:
Pete317 said:
You do know what a forum is for, don't you?
It's for people to discuss various topics of interest.
It's not for people to be constantly bombarded by those who take delight in stating the bleeding obvious.
The poster asked why he couldn't go faster than the speed limit. I explained the answer. The law.It's for people to discuss various topics of interest.
It's not for people to be constantly bombarded by those who take delight in stating the bleeding obvious.
Edited by Pete317 on Monday 18th May 18:01
Edited by Pete317 on Tuesday 19th May 12:48
CrutyRammers said:
Well, we wouldn't know without trying it. I'd wager the former. It's the same argument as, would people steal and murder if there weren't laws prohibiting it. Some would, but then some do anyway. But the majority? I doubt it. This has been argued since Socrates so I doubt we'll get a conclusion here.
Steal maybe, murder most certainly not. Those are fairly extreme examples to be honest.I don't think as a whole society regards speeding as a moral wrong, at least not mild transgressions. I think most would agree that the circumstances are pertinent - 100mph on an empty motorway is nothing to write home about, 100mph past a school at 8:30am would be the other end of the spectrum. Contrastingly you have to have pretty innately low moral fibre to steal (but even then circumstances can skew the moral argument) and certainly to murder someone. People minded to murder someone aren't stopped by a Law punishing it.
That said I think this forum, and enthusiast forums in general, grossly overestimate their statistical relevance. Whilst I'd imagine most people on here would speed on a regular basis, disproportionately to other forums and certainly to the general public as a whole - a vocal minority in an echo chamber does not a change of policy make. I would suspect that there would be a general apathy if not rejection of an increase in speed limits.
For the most part I think the system broadly "works", so long as people are prepared to accept responsibility for their own actions. As it is though, they don't. It's someone else making them speed.
anonymous said:
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The point is that by using the roads you are tacitly agreeing to ACCEPT the rules.You may disagree with them and work outside them, but when you get caught it can't be anything other than a fair cop.
If people were randomly fined - that's just "one of those things".
If they randomly changed the rules without telling people - getting caught would be "one of those things".
What I see many posters pointing out is that while most of them will probably happily cruise at 80+, they wouldn't complain when caught.
Everyone knows the rules. It's perfectly possible (however annoying) to drive within the limit (despite Jagmanv12's moronic comment that it is "unrealistic"). Or just not drive at all if you disagree so strongly with the rules.
So if you knowingly break the limit - it is YOUR FAULT.
It isn't the police.
It isn't just random.
It isn't the Tories.
It isn't even UKIP.
100% you.
anonymous said:
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Ethics are irrelevant as you pointed out - that isn't the issue."Fault" doesn't imply ethical wrong-doing. It's my fault I left the house unlocked yesterday. Ethically neutral.
There are plenty of alternatives to using the road:
1. Train.
2. Taxi.
3. Bus.
4. Chauffeur.
5. Move abroad.
6. Don't travel.
I disagree with the way the government spends money in the NHS.
That doesn’t mean I can stop paying tax.
And when HMRC come knocking, it isn’t just “one of those things”.
anonymous said:
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Well your disagreement is pretty impotent.Other than mentally absolving yourself from blame for getting caught speeding of course.
What other forms of extreme civil disobedience do you get up to?
Have you used someone else’s drive to turn around in?
Do you stand on the left on the escalators?
Did you <gasp> spoil your ballot?
SS2. said:
I'm with the OP on this.
I drive the M3 & M27 an awful lot - when conditions allow, this is more often than not (comfortably) in excess of 70mph.
Would I be a bit peeved if I was pulled for a mere 82mph ? Absolutely.
Most if not all drivers speed, even those with the "do gooders" mindset who want to see limits even lower. Increasingly from my observations many appear to have got their way both locally and further afield. Roads I could do 100 mph legally on in the past and did now are 40 or even 30 mph limits, sometimes much less.I drive the M3 & M27 an awful lot - when conditions allow, this is more often than not (comfortably) in excess of 70mph.
Would I be a bit peeved if I was pulled for a mere 82mph ? Absolutely.
Although, I have not been "nicked" for speeding for over twenty years now, previously my speeding nicks total was quite high. Mostly on Motor Cycles. I enjoyed riding and driving for seven years, count more as a passenger before I was able to drive, whereby that big white Disc with the Black Diagonal across it really meant "Unrestricted". Took me a good few years to adjust having my freedom to travel at whatever speed I chose when passing that disc with the black diagonal. One of the pluses and minuses of being born when I was.... back in the middle ages...
Yes, as I confirmed to my son, you could do 100 mph on the North Circular and Police Patrol cars move over and wave you by. That happened more than once. Another time a Copper on foot stepped from his car into the road and using his handkerchief, waved it down quickly checkered flag style as at the finish of a Grand Prix. I kid you not.
Imagine that happening in the pc-riddled humourless environment that is today.
How things have changed over the years and not always for the better. Just IMO of course... other opinions are available.
You youngsters today, don't know youz born ..
I got a NIP from Thames Valley Police for doing 34 in a 30 back in 2013. This was a fixed speed camera on the Finchampstead Road just outside Wokingham. I was offered, and took, the speed awareness course.
Long since thrown the paperwork away, but it blew away the "10% + 2" myth that I'd heard up until that point.
I was biblically cross and did the whole "easy target", "quick buck" thought process, but once I'd calmed down I realised that ultimately I was driving the car and I screwed up. Paid the £90, did the course (which was actually very informative and surprisingly enjoyable) and moved on with my life.
When I think of what we got up to as "yoofs", the irony of being caught for such a minor contravention isn't lost on me.
Long since thrown the paperwork away, but it blew away the "10% + 2" myth that I'd heard up until that point.
I was biblically cross and did the whole "easy target", "quick buck" thought process, but once I'd calmed down I realised that ultimately I was driving the car and I screwed up. Paid the £90, did the course (which was actually very informative and surprisingly enjoyable) and moved on with my life.
When I think of what we got up to as "yoofs", the irony of being caught for such a minor contravention isn't lost on me.
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