data protection and the police
Discussion
La Liga said:
ere's a recent plot where hostile reconnaissance was undertaken of a police station with police officers as the target: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29662245
That proves my point... They are 'alleged' to have picked low hanging fruit. There is a world of difference in trying to take out soldiers and police officers on the street or on the gate (front desk for police), than breaking into secure areas to do the same. There is no chance anyone is remotely concerned that terrorists are planning on breaking into secure areas of your local police station and doing something naughty - not least because there would be nothing in it for them. Not when you can blow up more police officers at a demo or a football match. Anyway - I'm not getting into pedantics about theoretical terrorist plots. The reason he isn't been shown the footage has nothing to do with terrorism - and everything to do with the fact that they probably have had enough of him and are fobbing him off. I can possibly see why they would do that - but I don't think terrorism is a good excuse.
photosnob said:
There is a world of difference in trying to take out soldiers and police officers on the street or on the gate (front desk for police), than breaking into secure areas to do the same.
La Liga said:
Through previous mentions of this "event", I think he's talking about either public areas, or the first public / private threshold.
photosnob said:
There is no chance anyone is remotely concerned that terrorists are planning on breaking into secure areas of your local police station and doing something naughty - not least because there would be nothing in it for them. Not when you can blow up more police officers at a demo or a football match.
I'm trying to find an email address for JTAC to let them know all their advice about police station threats and security is a waste of time. La Liga said:
'm trying to find an email address for JTAC to let them know all their advice about police station threats and security is a waste of time.
It does raise the question - why you would need to stop people seeing CCTV footage of communal open areas doesn't it? Now I'm not the brightest spark on here by a long shot - but if you can just walk there and have a look around you probably don't need the cctv footage do you... Anyway - you should email them. Any sort of attack usually comes from your weakest points. Whilst ever we have police officers walking around with a metal stick and a tub of gas it will be on the street. Run them over, and chop their head off. All the time and money spent "securing" low threat buildings like police station is nothing other than a nonsense. Killing a police officer or soldier has never been difficult - it's just getting away with it that's been tricky. If you don't care about being caught you will always be able to attack the armed forces or the police.
killsta said:
Where did I, or indeed eclassy for that matter, ever mention a custody suite?
It's all a nonsense - which is the same panic driven drivel that makes middle class women shriek like banshees when anyone has a camera near her kids. No terrorist would need to get information from CCTV to attack any police station, or do anything naughty. It's too easy - walk around for a day and you would see how easy all our communal building are to target. There is almost certainly going to be another terrorist attack - a policeman or soldier might die. That will happen if you put safeguards in place or not... How many genius' do you think stand in police/military uniform in their profile picture on facebook? The government are using terrorism as a trigger in fools minds for fear. We have more people killed a day due to smoking that all the people killed in the last 50 years in the UK due to terrorism. Yet you seriously go around thinking that it's best not to let people see a bit of footage on the cctv? Ridiculous.
photosnob said:
Anyway - you should email them. Any sort of attack usually comes from your weakest points. Whilst ever we have police officers walking around with a metal stick and a tub of gas it will be on the street. Run them over, and chop their head off. All the time and money spent "securing" low threat buildings like police station is nothing other than a nonsense. Killing a police officer or soldier has never been difficult - it's just getting away with it that's been tricky. If you don't care about being caught you will always be able to attack the armed forces or the police.
I don't need to because I don't think I know better than them. Just because something isn't as (an assumption) probable doesn't mean you shouldn't target harden / be defensive. Perhaps the measures directly influence the probability. On a case-by-case basis, you can pull apart lots of security measures, as they'll often cater for highly improbable circumstances. But when taken together the form a cohesive whole to cover a wide range of scenarios.
Using a rational reference point for how someone will go about something is flawed here. You're often talking about people who have mental health issues alongside extreme views.
La Liga said:
ecause it shows where (some / multiple) police CCTV cameras cover in the police station, and the current threat level is raised for the police.
How did the wider complaint about the matter go? No doubt the force's PSD were 'in on it' and so were the IPCC...
BS. Providing CCTV/audio from an interview room or custody area reception is no security threat. It is done all the time. This is a genuine request from a person that was subject to unlawful behaviour from the police in the said areas. If it was a security reason, then they should have told him that 14 months ago.How did the wider complaint about the matter go? No doubt the force's PSD were 'in on it' and so were the IPCC...
PSD was useless of course and are in on it. In a case of he said/he said, not one of the 'investigators' thought it smart to pull the videos/audio to determine the truth.
Case now in court. Will update original thread with the outcome
Why would an interview room be actively recorded with audio / visual? If it was a formal interview with tapes / disks, then these would be kept and normal rules of release / disclosure adhered to (probably not for you or all your mates who get in trouble, though...).
Secondly, a request in the time frames mentioned (depending on the CCTV infrastructure), would likely go beyond the recording loop in any event.
Secondly, a request in the time frames mentioned (depending on the CCTV infrastructure), would likely go beyond the recording loop in any event.
Eclassy said:
PSD was useless of course and are in on it. In a case of he said/he said, not one of the 'investigators' thought it smart to pull the videos/audio to determine the truth.
I knew it would be a conspiracy The request was for footage of subject only (others blurred out). He requested footage from reception area, interview room after reception area and custody reception. Audio of subject from interview room was also requested.
A sensible time frame was also provided.
Surely it doesnt take 15 months to provide this. The only reason they havent provided it is because it shows them breaking the law.
Like I said earlier, even if you do not provide it, why didnt their own investigators think it a smart idea to view this footage when reviewing 2 different accounts of the same event. Instead their report was full of PC Police said this and it was corroborated by PC Plod.
A sensible time frame was also provided.
Surely it doesnt take 15 months to provide this. The only reason they havent provided it is because it shows them breaking the law.
Like I said earlier, even if you do not provide it, why didnt their own investigators think it a smart idea to view this footage when reviewing 2 different accounts of the same event. Instead their report was full of PC Police said this and it was corroborated by PC Plod.
La Liga said:
I'm trying to say the CCTV may only be kept for X days due to the storage limitations, which may have quickly passed.
or be archived into a lower resolution or 'time lapse effect' effect after a short period unless requested ... had issues with this happening in a hospital despite the request for the images to be saved ( internal enquiry not police request)
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