Parking - Private land problem.

[balls-out]

R32 said:

I'm struggling to see how much of a financial loss one instance of someone parking on your land would cause you. What maintenance costs are there with a small bit of road/parking space? No idea what cost could be associated with loss of amenity either.

You can only recover any loss you suffer and tbh it doesn't sound like there is much of a loss.

I'd say the simplest solution is to either gate off the land or use bollards in parking spaces.

my drive isn't gated off nor has bollard, but I don't expect people to park on it if they work nearby.

[surveyor]

R32 said:

surveyor said:

Maintenance costs, amenity, etc.

Clamping laws should never have been scrapped - just those rogue operators clamped.....

I'm struggling to see how much of a financial loss one instance of someone parking on your land would cause you. What maintenance costs are there with a small bit of road/parking space? No idea what cost could be associated with loss of amenity either.

You can only recover any loss you suffer and tbh it doesn't sound like there is much of a loss.

I'd say the simplest solution is to either gate off the land or use bollards in parking spaces.

Frankly if you don't have permission of the landowner why should someone feel able to park on that land with no comeback? Especially when they have been made aware.

[Impasse]

Is it feasible to approach the employer at the office complex?

[eatcustard]

Take air out of a tyre, after a few times they will take the hint

[IIIRestorerIII]

Stick the notice to their car, with some strong glue.

Heavy concrete sleepers under the car next to the wheels. They would need to move them or drive over to get out.

[Rude-boy]

surveyor said:

R32 said:

surveyor said:

Maintenance costs, amenity, etc.

Clamping laws should never have been scrapped - just those rogue operators clamped.....

I'm struggling to see how much of a financial loss one instance of someone parking on your land would cause you. What maintenance costs are there with a small bit of road/parking space? No idea what cost could be associated with loss of amenity either.

You can only recover any loss you suffer and tbh it doesn't sound like there is much of a loss.

I'd say the simplest solution is to either gate off the land or use bollards in parking spaces.

Frankly if you don't have permission of the landowner why should someone feel able to park on that land with no comeback? Especially when they have been made aware.

I see R32's point as being more about being able to prove loss and that even if they can do so it is negligible. I do agree with their point as it was one I considered when I posted up my initial support of the basics of your view.

I would say that there is a very small calculation that can be carried out that would prove a minor level of loss. Not enough that would make any claim commercially viable but certainly enough to start a claim and run with it which the other part is unlikely to want to spend the time and effort defending when they can just park a little further away.

[andburg]

Impasse said:

Is it feasible to approach the employer at the office complex?

This could be worth a try if the offenders work for the same company and you can identify it.

If it is giving the company a bad name then it could be dealt with by the employer even though its staff are parking private vehicles.

I'd assume said company would not be happy if you were to park cars in their allocated spaces

[plasticpig]

Print our a large note using A3 paper. Attach note to the drivers side of windscreen using acetone resistant spray adhesive.

[Mutley]

R32 seems to be thinking these selfish parkers have a right to park on, what could be called, your driveway. Hopefully someone will park on his and he will see "what the loss is".
It's PRIVATE, which means, no permit? then fk OFF!

Edited by Mutley on Monday 18th May 14:25

[Red Devil]

HantsRat said:

There are 1 or 2 consistent offenders who park here evry day during the week and walk into nearby offices.

If you know which offices they are going into it shouldn't be too hard to find out which company/ies they work for. Next step find out the name of a senior manager or director. Then get all the residents to complain to him/her in writing. Any half decent company should respond positively. Its employees p*****g off local residents is not good for business.

HantsRat said:

Is there anything legally that can be done to address this before I go down the route of hiring a private ticketing company?

I would suggest exploring other options first. A PPC is not necessarily your friend and could cause more problems than it cures. If you do go down that route be very careful about what contractual terms you are prepared to sign up to.

[Rude-boy]

Mutley said:

R32 seems to be thinking these selfish parkers have a right to park on, what could be called, your driveway. Hopefully someone will park on his and he will see "what the loss is".
It's PRIVATE, which means, no permit? then fk OFF!

Edited by Mutley on Monday 18th May 14:25

TBH the residents could quite easily club together and do their permit scheme, mark out spaces for the on road parking, and licence the 'spare' spaces available (being careful to make sure a licence not a lease and to not identify a particular space but a right to park in one of the X number of marked spaces)

Doing that would also very easily create a more significant financial argument for loss "We could licence these spaces for £25 per month but can't so each offending car is costing us a potential income of £300 per annum."

I have to say that I am (by nature, if not desire) someone who has little sympathy for those who try to 'control' 'their' road when it is part of the Public Highway but when it is a Private road I have 100% sympathy with residents plagued with rouge parkers.

[Devil2575]

Just start smearing dog st on the windows. That'll learn em!

Or perhaps a potato in the exhaust.

[Rude-boy]

Devil2575 said:

Just start smearing dog st on the windows. That'll learn em!

It would be it is also highly likely to land the smearer in some very hot water with Herr Plod.

[Devil2575]

Rude-boy said:

Devil2575 said:

Just start smearing dog st on the windows. That'll learn em!

It would be it is also highly likely to land the smearer in some very hot water with Herr Plod.

Would it? Do you think the Police would care/have the time to do anything about it?

[andburg]

Rude-boy said:

I have 100% sympathy with residents plagued with rouge parkers.

What about other colours? is ochre okay?

[R32]

surveyor said:

R32 said:

surveyor said:

Maintenance costs, amenity, etc.

Clamping laws should never have been scrapped - just those rogue operators clamped.....

I'm struggling to see how much of a financial loss one instance of someone parking on your land would cause you. What maintenance costs are there with a small bit of road/parking space? No idea what cost could be associated with loss of amenity either.

You can only recover any loss you suffer and tbh it doesn't sound like there is much of a loss.

I'd say the simplest solution is to either gate off the land or use bollards in parking spaces.

Frankly if you don't have permission of the landowner why should someone feel able to park on that land with no comeback? Especially when they have been made aware.

I agree with you actually, but you seem to be advocating using a ppc to recover your losses. For that to happen there needs to be a loss in the first place...

[R32]

Mutley said:

R32 seems to be thinking these selfish parkers have a right to park on, what could be called, your driveway. Hopefully someone will park on his and he will see "what the loss is".
It's PRIVATE, which means, no permit? then fk OFF!

Edited by Mutley on Monday 18th May 14:25

No, not at all. I absolutely agree its not right people park on your private land without permission.

My point is a ppc will simply try to apply a "fine", which is actually an invoice for a loss. This approach doesn't seem valid if there isn't a loss.

[aw51 121565]

HantsRat said:

I will get some quotes from private parking enforcement firms as there are no other options left. All other residents agree and are happy to pay for the cost of this.

If it’s a privately managed estate, where does the (assumed) management company come into this?

andburg said:

The problem with private enforcement is they will likely start to issue invoices to your residents and their guests unless you have some quick way to identify correctly parked vehicles and generate admin charges for "cancellation". Either you will have to absorb these or residents will and I'm sure that will become tedious quickly.

Big – nay massive - potential can of worms available here, it must be said.



Generally, HantsRatwhat does your lease say about parking on this estate? Some PPCs (or those locals issuing 'parking tickets' if the management company decide to use a "self ticketing" setup) will ticket anything in sight for alleged contraventions. If this includes cars parked on residents’ own driveways (as per their leasehold or freehold) then that is trespass...

I’d let the management company cock this up rather than do it myself .

Other posters have alluded to “what loss has there been?”; Beavis is going to the Supreme Court in a few months, and the ‘arrangements’ around the car park where he received his ticket were substantially different to the ‘norm’ for parking on private land...

(Hint: the occupiers’ losses are minimal if not zero, and the precedent set by Beavis [which is under appeal again, as above] probably doesn't apply in your situation unless your management company's PPC of choice will be paying the landholder a substantial sum of money for the privelege of enforcement .)

[TooMany2cvs]

R32 said:

No, not at all. I absolutely agree its not right people park on your private land without permission.

My point is a ppc will simply try to apply a "fine", which is actually an invoice for a loss. This approach doesn't seem valid if there isn't a loss.

Where "loss" = "financial loss", rather than loss of amenity.

So, without any penalty for doing what we all agree is "not right", how do you suggest it be prevented?

[surveyor]

R32 said:

surveyor said:

R32 said:

surveyor said:

Maintenance costs, amenity, etc.

Clamping laws should never have been scrapped - just those rogue operators clamped.....

I'm struggling to see how much of a financial loss one instance of someone parking on your land would cause you. What maintenance costs are there with a small bit of road/parking space? No idea what cost could be associated with loss of amenity either.

You can only recover any loss you suffer and tbh it doesn't sound like there is much of a loss.

I'd say the simplest solution is to either gate off the land or use bollards in parking spaces.

Frankly if you don't have permission of the landowner why should someone feel able to park on that land with no comeback? Especially when they have been made aware.

I agree with you actually, but you seem to be advocating using a ppc to recover your losses. For that to happen there needs to be a loss in the first place...

Realistically there may not be much more you can do. Sometimes a gate / bollard is just not practicable and the signage may be enough to deter. Clamping was unpopular, but it worked.

Car parking is one of those issues that causes real headaches.