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Jasandjules said:
How much booze can be consumed before a 50mg limit is breached?
There are calculators which will work it out for you but as everyone metabolises alcohol at different rates the accuracy is debatable.But 2 pints of 4.5% beer drunk in one hour would put a 85Kg man just over the 50mg limit according to this one http://www.dui-usa.drinkdriving.org/BAC_bloodalcoh...
I will have one beer and happily drive but no more than that, before the change in the law I would have had two over a couple of hour period.
Zod said:
agtlaw said:
Lower limit. Lower penalty.
as in the rest of the EU.Corpulent Tosser said:
I will have one beer and happily drive but no more than that, before the change in the law I would have had two over a couple of hour period.
So pretty much down to one pint then.To me though the question that springs to mind is what difference will this actually make? I mean, how many people are crashing and test at 70mg or what? I suspect most people over the limit are quite a lot over the limit when they crash, so reducing the limit would not have that much of an impact?!!
I encounter very poor driving on every journey and 99% of of these retards are very likely stone cold sober.....what we do about them ought to be the more pressing matter.
Spotted driving in a rubbish/inconsiderate/careless way ?
Competence test at the local DVLA centre with a tough pass mark, failing which you surrender your licence for 12 months.
Too harsh ?
Spotted driving in a rubbish/inconsiderate/careless way ?
Competence test at the local DVLA centre with a tough pass mark, failing which you surrender your licence for 12 months.
Too harsh ?
A stretch of road has a 40mph speed limit. A small number of people are doing 90mph down it and crashing. Will reducing the limit to 20mph solve that problem?
The limit only needs to come down if people under the current limit are causing accidents. If that's not the case then all you are going to do is reduce people's respect for the law.
The limit only needs to come down if people under the current limit are causing accidents. If that's not the case then all you are going to do is reduce people's respect for the law.
Mr Will said:
The limit only needs to come down if people under the current limit are causing accidents. If that's not the case then all you are going to do is reduce people's respect for the law.
^^^ This. We are illegalising a non-problem. It will have no effect on those better described as "Driving while s
tfaced".And all to make us the same as the EUSSR, who pulled a round metric number out of their collective arse!
The problem I can see if the limit is lowered will be the death of the country pub, currently I know I'm under the limit on a pint and a half of the weakest lager. If the limit were lowered I don't think I would bother going to a pub for lunch if I thought that a single pint would put me close to the limit.
There are many people who will visit country pubs who will just not bother "just in case". What would help is the availability of a much weaker "driving beer" at about 2-2.5% abv. When I were a lad etc, you could get much weeker beer than is available now, the lowest abc seems to be 3.5% or more.
The mandatory sentencing is another issue, if you live in London and get a 12 month ban it's not going to effect you to the same level as someone living in very rural devon or dorset in an area with virtually no public transport.
I fully expect the "hang em and flog em" holier than thou brigade to jump on this but the fact is I like going to a country pub, having lunch and maybe in the space of two hours get through 2 pints, if I'm not eating and its a shorter visit I will stick to a pint and a half. If I have to halve that I won't be out spending money on fuel and food and drink so the exchequer will suffer as well as small local businesses that are only just making a living as things are at the current level.
There are many people who will visit country pubs who will just not bother "just in case". What would help is the availability of a much weaker "driving beer" at about 2-2.5% abv. When I were a lad etc, you could get much weeker beer than is available now, the lowest abc seems to be 3.5% or more.
The mandatory sentencing is another issue, if you live in London and get a 12 month ban it's not going to effect you to the same level as someone living in very rural devon or dorset in an area with virtually no public transport.
I fully expect the "hang em and flog em" holier than thou brigade to jump on this but the fact is I like going to a country pub, having lunch and maybe in the space of two hours get through 2 pints, if I'm not eating and its a shorter visit I will stick to a pint and a half. If I have to halve that I won't be out spending money on fuel and food and drink so the exchequer will suffer as well as small local businesses that are only just making a living as things are at the current level.
Rangeroverover said:
The problem I can see if the limit is lowered will be the death of the country pub, currently I know I'm under the limit on a pint and a half of the weakest lager. If the limit were lowered I don't think I would bother going to a pub for lunch if I thought that a single pint would put me close to the limit.
There are many people who will visit country pubs who will just not bother "just in case". What would help is the availability of a much weaker "driving beer" at about 2-2.5% abv. When I were a lad etc, you could get much weeker beer than is available now, the lowest abc seems to be 3.5% or more.
The mandatory sentencing is another issue, if you live in London and get a 12 month ban it's not going to effect you to the same level as someone living in very rural devon or dorset in an area with virtually no public transport.
I fully expect the "hang em and flog em" holier than thou brigade to jump on this but the fact is I like going to a country pub, having lunch and maybe in the space of two hours get through 2 pints, if I'm not eating and its a shorter visit I will stick to a pint and a half. If I have to halve that I won't be out spending money on fuel and food and drink so the exchequer will suffer as well as small local businesses that are only just making a living as things are at the current level.
...and furthermore, I suspect that reducing the limit won't make a statistically significant difference to whether or not you'll park your motor halfway up a tree on the way home.There are many people who will visit country pubs who will just not bother "just in case". What would help is the availability of a much weaker "driving beer" at about 2-2.5% abv. When I were a lad etc, you could get much weeker beer than is available now, the lowest abc seems to be 3.5% or more.
The mandatory sentencing is another issue, if you live in London and get a 12 month ban it's not going to effect you to the same level as someone living in very rural devon or dorset in an area with virtually no public transport.
I fully expect the "hang em and flog em" holier than thou brigade to jump on this but the fact is I like going to a country pub, having lunch and maybe in the space of two hours get through 2 pints, if I'm not eating and its a shorter visit I will stick to a pint and a half. If I have to halve that I won't be out spending money on fuel and food and drink so the exchequer will suffer as well as small local businesses that are only just making a living as things are at the current level.
Pete317 said:
Ah, but would you be quite sure you're not over the limit the next morning, or even the next afternoon?
This is the rub isn't it... Yes I would feel absolutely sure not to be 100% clear headed and not over the (new) limit after two large glasses of pokey red wine - hell a bottle - as long as there was 10 hours between going for that large glass of water finale at bedtime and the driving. I'm also hoping I am right...
Corpulent Tosser said:
There are calculators which will work it out for you but as everyone metabolises alcohol at different rates the accuracy is debatable.
But 2 pints of 4.5% beer drunk in one hour would put a 85Kg man just over the 50mg limit according to this one http://www.dui-usa.drinkdriving.org/BAC_bloodalcoh...
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That looks suspiciously like something tangible and a fact to comment on. So, I'm not remotely happy on anyone driving after having two pints in an hour. Older ones may keep their head down and be OK but younger ones may be not (especially if slim/small...). It therefore looks set too high currently?But 2 pints of 4.5% beer drunk in one hour would put a 85Kg man just over the 50mg limit according to this one http://www.dui-usa.drinkdriving.org/BAC_bloodalcoh...
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Ken Figenus said:
That looks suspiciously like something tangible and a fact to comment on. So, I'm not remotely happy on anyone driving after having two pints in an hour. Older ones may keep their head down and be OK but younger ones may be not (especially if slim/small...). It therefore looks set too high currently?
The calculator in the link allows for different body weights to be entered, also male or female as apparently that too makes a difference. A lighter person would read a higher BAC I believe.Anyway the limit is what it is, it changed in Scotland unnecessarily I thought but it doesn't impact me and I doubt it will impact many people if it introduced south of the border.
It will though allow SNP to gloat that they did it first so are the progressive party in UK politics
Rangeroverover said:
What would help is the availability of a much weaker "driving beer" at about 2-2.5% abv.
Exactly this. Ignoring DDriving for the min - I'd like to go out for several hours to a pub, drink 4 or 5 pints of something beery, but not be pished & in a mess the next day.Why is this so hard for pubs and S&N to understand ?
surveyor said:
I would like to know what the effect has been on Scottish roads in terms of Deaths and Injuries etc since they changed their laws.
Far too soon after the change for any meaningful stats to have been collected imo (assuming the relevant ones even are of course).surveyor said:
ETA - Looking at the worst places, many seem to be in the more rural areas where taxis are not so easy to find.
The list is by postcode area - http://www.direct-marketing-lists.co.uk/postcode_m...Of those featured, LLandrindod Wells (LD), Shrewsbury (SY), and Inverness (IV) are predominantly rural.
I'm not so sure about the rest.
Chimune said:
Exactly this. Ignoring DDriving for the min - I'd like to go out for several hours to a pub, drink 4 or 5 pints of something beery, but not be pished & in a mess the next day.
Why is this so hard for pubs and S&N to understand ?
The pub I use most Friday evenings always has two real ales on offer and one is generally around 3.2%-3.5% that is the one I go for unless the other is something I particularly enjoy.Why is this so hard for pubs and S&N to understand ?
I generally don't enjoy very strong beers so something 2-2.5% would probably be good for me too.
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