Home Office to charge police officers for a requirement
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La Liga, Derek, Cat and Elroy
I totally respect your points of view with respect to the current and future cuts but I have to say that recently my interations with the BIB have been appalling. This is in the constituency of the Home Secretary.
From an earlier post I indicated that my brother who was living with me had stolen files from my filing cabinet and I was fearful of Identity fraud. Based on earlier responses I did contact the police to report the incident and each and every person I spoke to was disinterested, difficult, argumentative, didnt show empathy and didnt want to bother with the case.
Now in the big scale of things I know that it isnt a major crime but I would have thought that by not wanting to register the incident as a crime that these police officers are shooting themselves in the foot when publishing statistics.
In addition if the BIB and the Police Federation do not understand that if you alienate law abiding citizens who now and then call on the resources of the police then you cannot go out and gain our support when you have genuine grievances.
Finally I do agree with you that these cuts are currently and will in the future hurt the police force but as a "police force" you must stay professional throughout otherwise you will lose the respect of the public and find yourselves as "fair game" for any future cuts.
John
I totally respect your points of view with respect to the current and future cuts but I have to say that recently my interations with the BIB have been appalling. This is in the constituency of the Home Secretary.
From an earlier post I indicated that my brother who was living with me had stolen files from my filing cabinet and I was fearful of Identity fraud. Based on earlier responses I did contact the police to report the incident and each and every person I spoke to was disinterested, difficult, argumentative, didnt show empathy and didnt want to bother with the case.
Now in the big scale of things I know that it isnt a major crime but I would have thought that by not wanting to register the incident as a crime that these police officers are shooting themselves in the foot when publishing statistics.
In addition if the BIB and the Police Federation do not understand that if you alienate law abiding citizens who now and then call on the resources of the police then you cannot go out and gain our support when you have genuine grievances.
Finally I do agree with you that these cuts are currently and will in the future hurt the police force but as a "police force" you must stay professional throughout otherwise you will lose the respect of the public and find yourselves as "fair game" for any future cuts.
John
rewc said:
I don't for one minute accept that cuts to the Police Budget caused this incident which in the end had a £20000 payout from the Police to the victim.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32827731
Who has said otherwise, or are you arguing against a position no-one is proposing for some unclear reason? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32827731
rewc said:
there is obviously large amounts of money being paid for Police equipment. dorset Police have just announced a large sum to install ANPR system, they even have an ANPR Manager.
http://www.dorset.police.uk/default.aspx?page=8469
Is it large in the grand scheme of things? What are you suggesting, that a police force can literally no-longer afford any sort of technological crime-fighting tools? Or there's no way a cost / benefit assessment results in one thing over another? http://www.dorset.police.uk/default.aspx?page=8469
Greenmantle said:
I totally respect your points of view with respect to the current and future cuts but I have to say that recently my interations with the BIB have been appalling. This is in the constituency of the Home Secretary.
I'm not here defending every police officer and every interaction. I've just read your topic, and nearly all Fraud-related incidents / crimes should be reported here, rather than the police: http://www.actionfraud.police.uk specific information can be found here: http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/fraud_protection/...Crossflow Kid said:
Anyhow, that bit about "should've joined the Police"......cuts both ways dunnit?
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
It's good advice, except time travel hasn't been invented. If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
La Liga said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Anyhow, that bit about "should've joined the Police"......cuts both ways dunnit?
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
It's good advice, except time travel hasn't been invented. If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
Greenmantle said:
La Liga, Derek, Cat and Elroy
I totally respect your points of view with respect to the current and future cuts but I have to say that recently my interations with the BIB have been appalling. This is in the constituency of the Home Secretary.
From an earlier post I indicated that my brother who was living with me had stolen files from my filing cabinet and I was fearful of Identity fraud. Based on earlier responses I did contact the police to report the incident and each and every person I spoke to was disinterested, difficult, argumentative, didnt show empathy and didnt want to bother with the case.
Now in the big scale of things I know that it isnt a major crime but I would have thought that by not wanting to register the incident as a crime that these police officers are shooting themselves in the foot when publishing statistics.
In addition if the BIB and the Police Federation do not understand that if you alienate law abiding citizens who now and then call on the resources of the police then you cannot go out and gain our support when you have genuine grievances.
Finally I do agree with you that these cuts are currently and will in the future hurt the police force but as a "police force" you must stay professional throughout otherwise you will lose the respect of the public and find yourselves as "fair game" for any future cuts.
John
Not sure why this wouldnt have been recorded as Theft unless theres more to it than the OP's posted -though I cant really see what more they would need to get this one recordedI totally respect your points of view with respect to the current and future cuts but I have to say that recently my interations with the BIB have been appalling. This is in the constituency of the Home Secretary.
From an earlier post I indicated that my brother who was living with me had stolen files from my filing cabinet and I was fearful of Identity fraud. Based on earlier responses I did contact the police to report the incident and each and every person I spoke to was disinterested, difficult, argumentative, didnt show empathy and didnt want to bother with the case.
Now in the big scale of things I know that it isnt a major crime but I would have thought that by not wanting to register the incident as a crime that these police officers are shooting themselves in the foot when publishing statistics.
In addition if the BIB and the Police Federation do not understand that if you alienate law abiding citizens who now and then call on the resources of the police then you cannot go out and gain our support when you have genuine grievances.
Finally I do agree with you that these cuts are currently and will in the future hurt the police force but as a "police force" you must stay professional throughout otherwise you will lose the respect of the public and find yourselves as "fair game" for any future cuts.
John
Crossflow Kid said:
So it could be worse then?
Anyhow, that bit about "should've joined the Police"......cuts both ways dunnit?
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
Having spent 24 years in the military and now married to a front line NHS nurse, believe me, you lot don't do too badly at all.
I loved almost every minute of it personally - worked hard and played hard - ive never moaned about the job and have done okay out of it. Still cant compare the two at all thoughAnyhow, that bit about "should've joined the Police"......cuts both ways dunnit?
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
Having spent 24 years in the military and now married to a front line NHS nurse, believe me, you lot don't do too badly at all.
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Friday 22 May 12:20
Bigends said:
Crossflow Kid said:
So it could be worse then?
Anyhow, that bit about "should've joined the Police"......cuts both ways dunnit?
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
Having spent 24 years in the military and now married to a front line NHS nurse, believe me, you lot don't do too badly at all.
I loved almost every minute of it personally - worked hard and played hard - ive never moaned about the job and have done okay out of it. Still cant compare the two at all thoughAnyhow, that bit about "should've joined the Police"......cuts both ways dunnit?
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
Having spent 24 years in the military and now married to a front line NHS nurse, believe me, you lot don't do too badly at all.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 22 May 12:20
Crossflow Kid said:
Bigends said:
Crossflow Kid said:
So it could be worse then?
Anyhow, that bit about "should've joined the Police"......cuts both ways dunnit?
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
Having spent 24 years in the military and now married to a front line NHS nurse, believe me, you lot don't do too badly at all.
I loved almost every minute of it personally - worked hard and played hard - ive never moaned about the job and have done okay out of it. Still cant compare the two at all thoughAnyhow, that bit about "should've joined the Police"......cuts both ways dunnit?
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined the Police.
Having spent 24 years in the military and now married to a front line NHS nurse, believe me, you lot don't do too badly at all.
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Friday 22 May 12:20
Given the vehicles mentioned your experience would appear to be somewhat dated.
In recent years, plod has been frequently compared to the military in terms of the physical risks of the job, and with front line NHS in terms of dealing with difficult people and on both fronts I still say the BiB don't come off too badly.
That's not to say it's an easy job but it's by no means the most difficult either, nor the only one that requires huge personal sacrifice and commitment.
In recent years, plod has been frequently compared to the military in terms of the physical risks of the job, and with front line NHS in terms of dealing with difficult people and on both fronts I still say the BiB don't come off too badly.
That's not to say it's an easy job but it's by no means the most difficult either, nor the only one that requires huge personal sacrifice and commitment.
Crossflow Kid said:
Given the vehicles mentioned your experience would appear to be somewhat dated.
In recent years, plod has been frequently compared to the military in terms of the physical risks of the job, and with front line NHS in terms of dealing with difficult people and on both fronts I still say the BiB don't come off too badly.
That's not to say it's an easy job but it's by no means the most difficult either, nor the only one that requires huge personal sacrifice and commitment.
Retired 10 yrs back but still work for them, so have recent experience. Both jobs have risk - not sure the risks are at all similar. Theres always an underlying risk everyday with the BiB. Risk for squaddies tends to be when in theatre. Other than a Northern Ireland tour - my brothers biggest risk tended to be during the course of NAAFI punch ups in Germany -fortunately the Russkis decoded not to invade.In recent years, plod has been frequently compared to the military in terms of the physical risks of the job, and with front line NHS in terms of dealing with difficult people and on both fronts I still say the BiB don't come off too badly.
That's not to say it's an easy job but it's by no means the most difficult either, nor the only one that requires huge personal sacrifice and commitment.
La Liga said:
mellow-dramatic in the past.
Best one this week - although nearly pipped to the post by someone saying 'water under the fridge' the other day. 
I have to say that morale was at an all time low and the then recently introduced 'performance indicators' were cited as the devils work (which they were - look where it's left the service...) back in the nineties when I was in the job. To bang on about maxing recorded crime now is a bit of a joke, the door is open and the horse long gone, all those smart young bucks looking to make career advances and seeing themselves as 'managers' rather than coppers fecked everyone over loooong ago - "Change to give the illusion of progress" - never saw so much of it as I did in the Bill.
May's a fecking idiot though, she'll do what politicians of any persuasion do best - do whatever they have to so they keep climbing the career ladder of 'public service', irrespective of what the consequences, fallout and reality of the situation is.
All as bad as one another.
andy_s said:
"Change to give the illusion of progress" - never saw so much of it as I did in the Bill.
I went for a post that I didn't want. The selection procedure was really fun. I unfortunately got through to the interview stage and, although we all know who had been, I felt I had to do a little bit of preparation to show willing.When the predictable question was put to me: 'What changes would you make to the unit in the first couple of months' I came out with my prepared little speech designed to make me unemployable.
'I have a great deal of respect for [the outgoing inspector] and there is no doubt in my mind that if I thought I saw something obviously wrong and easily changed I be demonstrating considerable conceit. What I'd do is observe, probably for three months, discussing with the staff anything I found odd or confusing, asking why they did things that way and then I'd bring my thoughts to the staff's attention, ask them for their comments and then implement any changes one at a time to ensure that I could check their usefulness.'
This radical proposal confused the interviewing team and they had no follow-up questions. They floundered for some seconds. All very enjoyable, but indicative of what was wrong with senior supervision. They wanted someone who would make unresearched tactical changes to the unit.
So the interview proved worthwhile: they could justify not picking me, and I went back to my old role.
I went to a division where my role changed four times in 15 months, and I was about to move into my fifth office when I decided enough was enough and went elsewhere.
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