Home Office to charge police officers for a requirement

Home Office to charge police officers for a requirement

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Derek Smith

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45,514 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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May has decided that the police federation should be funded entirely by the police officers.

The federation was imposed on the police rank and file as an - entirely successful at the moment - attempt to eliminate the legal claim for officers to join a union.

The federation is a direct copy of the Russian unions at the time of communism. In other words, such things are a method of control.

Funding was cut in the past but now we have the farcical situation of a government requirement being paid for by the persons whose civil rights have been restricted by such imposition.

It is no coincidence that the federation funded a civil case against a foul-mouthed MP just before funding was cut.

The nasty home secretary.


GT03ROB

13,207 posts

220 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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...but if you had a union that would need to be funded by the police officers surely?

Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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It's all OK. May has just said it's all scaremongering and there's plenty of Officers to do it. She has apparently increased the frontline by....wait for it....91%.

I'm not sure which planet she did this on, but it wasn't this one.

Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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It's all OK. May has just said it's all scaremongering and there's plenty of Officers to do it. She has apparently increased the frontline by....wait for it....91%.

I'm not sure which planet she did this on, but it wasn't this one.

340600

551 posts

142 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Apparently PolFed are crying wolf now as well. The decimation of the service that's clear to everyone must be in our imaginations then.

I didn't think the opinion of May could get any lower on my shift but it looks like she's outdone herself again.

Edited by 340600 on Wednesday 20th May 13:32

FurryExocet

3,011 posts

180 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
It's all OK. May has just said it's all scaremongering and there's plenty of Officers to do it. She has apparently increased the frontline by....wait for it....91%.

I'm not sure which planet she did this on, but it wasn't this one.
WTF!!??
91% !? was she drinking by any chance?

Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Her whole speech was full of lies. Not distortions, errors, claims or mistakes. Complete lies. The last few years have really opened my eyes to how they can get away with it.
This wasn't even a tiddler. Even the most vehement anti-Police troll wouldn't claim that the a police frontline had increased by 91%. Quite staggering.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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The best we can do at the moment is record absolutely everything that fits NCRS. The new 24 hour time-period is a pain at times, but at least it means more crime is recorded. I literally recorded everything that fits the criteria. This is an important shift in mindset every officer needs to adopt.

GT03ROB said:
...but if you had a union that would need to be funded by the police officers surely?
Change it to a union and I'll happily pay double.

It's like a union with no power and one in which the Government can do what it likes with.

The main benefit of the Fed is that we all pool together collectively to support one another. An extreme example helping giving the lovely Mr Mitchell a plus £3 million bill, more common ones where we can buy one another top legal advice when we need it.

HantsRat

2,369 posts

107 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Pol feds and even unions are in my opinion just a waste of money. Plenty of free advice out there should anyone find themselves in a tricky situation at work. Citizens Advice etc.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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HantsRat said:
Pol feds and even unions are in my opinion just a waste of money. Plenty of free advice out there should anyone find themselves in a tricky situation at work. Citizens Advice etc.
Complete twaddle.

Neither are perfect but the level advice and support from a Police Federation is leagues above anything that an organisation like Citizens Advice can provide.
They also provide financial assistance in some very tricky situations.




Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 20th May 17:12

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Theresa May said:
This weekend the federation warned that spending reductions mean that we will be forced to adopt a paramilitary style of policing in Britain. Today you said that neighbourhood police officers are an endangered species.

I have to tell you that this kind of scaremongering does nobody any good. It doesn’t serve you, it doesn’t serve the officers you represent and it does not serve the public.

In 2002 you said David Blunkett had done more harm to the police in five minutes than others have taken years to do. In 2004 you said Labour were going to destroy policing in this country for ever. And in 2007 you said the government had betrayed the police.

Now, I disagree with Labour policies, but even I don’t think those things are true.

You said police officers were demoralised in 2002, 2004 and 2007 and 2012. You warned of police officers’ anger in 2002, 2005 and 2008. And you warned that the police and the public were being put in danger in 2001, 2004 and 2007.

The truth is that crime fell in each of those years. It has fallen further since, and our country is safer than it has ever been.

So, please, for your sake, and for the thousands of police officers who work so hard every day, this crying wolf has to stop.
Rebuttal?

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

116 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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340600 said:
Apparently PolFed are crying wolf now as well. The decimation of the service that's clear to everyone must be in our imaginations then.

I didn't think the opinion of May could get any lower on my shift but it looks like she's outdone herself again.

Edited by 340600 on Wednesday 20th May 13:32
Is that 'decimation' as in 'reduced by 10%' or,

'decimation' as in reduced by 90%'?

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
It's all OK. May has just said it's all scaremongering and there's plenty of Officers to do it. She has apparently increased the frontline by....wait for it....91%.

I'm not sure which planet she did this on, but it wasn't this one.
Email a Radio 4 programme, more or less. They seem to delight in explaining just how these figures are arrived at/massaged/invented.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qshd

Derek Smith

Original Poster:

45,514 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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I have a friend who was a civilian, ex police, employee at our HQ. He did the just jobs, such as statements, measurements of scenes, that sort of thing. There were two of them, one for north, and him for south. Both have not had their basic pay plus (10?)% plus expenses contracts renewed. There is now one police officer who performs that role so half the jobs that used to be covered are sleeved because there's no one to take the necessary statements.

This officer takes out a decrepit car 5.5 days a week and goes from statement to statement.

He is shown as operational, part of this laughable magic number that May invented. The reason he is in this post is because he had been declared unfit to work as a police officer due to injury. He, according to May, is a patrolling officer. Ha, bloody Ha.

The nick is now full of police officers performing roles that civilians used to do, except less effectively. Despite the fact that they are stuck in the nick - moaning all the time no doubt - they are shown as operational.

They lied, these politicians. They have no honour. They have no memory of service. They have no concept of service. May is after Cameron's job and will do/say/perform anything to get it.


Drumroll

3,738 posts

119 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Many other professionals have to pay out of there own pocket to belong to their professional organisation. So don't really see an issue with that.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Drumroll said:
Many other professionals have to pay out of there own pocket to belong to their professional organisation. So don't really see an issue with that.
The professional regulatory bodies, and professional representative bodies for Healthcare Professionals and Lawyers (among others) are funded by practitioners alone...

Edited by mph1977 on Wednesday 20th May 17:23

alock

4,224 posts

210 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Derek, we hear a lot of negatives from you about what is happening to the police force due to government interference. Can you tell us when you think it operated well? We can then use this as a baseline year to judge current and future functionality against?

SteBrown91

2,360 posts

128 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Derek Smith said:
I have a friend who was a civilian, ex police, employee at our HQ. He did the just jobs, such as statements, measurements of scenes, that sort of thing. There were two of them, one for north, and him for south. Both have not had their basic pay plus (10?)% plus expenses contracts renewed. There is now one police officer who performs that role so half the jobs that used to be covered are sleeved because there's no one to take the necessary statements.

This officer takes out a decrepit car 5.5 days a week and goes from statement to statement.

He is shown as operational, part of this laughable magic number that May invented. The reason he is in this post is because he had been declared unfit to work as a police officer due to injury. He, according to May, is a patrolling officer. Ha, bloody Ha.

The nick is now full of police officers performing roles that civilians used to do, except less effectively. Despite the fact that they are stuck in the nick - moaning all the time no doubt - they are shown as operational.

They lied, these politicians. They have no honour. They have no memory of service. They have no concept of service. May is after Cameron's job and will do/say/perform anything to get it.
Derek that sounds more like an issue with your force's duty management unit not correctly allocating resources.

Most forces have swapped officers for staff where possible as they can pension off/re-assign a 35-40k Sgt for a 20k staff member (and often its the same person)

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Derek is in denial, he prefers the Labour way - just ask the police how high up the wall they want the money pissed.

V8forweekends

2,481 posts

123 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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I'd be fascinated to see how coppers as a group vote. I am not having a go at anyone - but maybe Mrs May thinks she's not really risking anything?