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If that's the stretch "inside" the A47 (Norwich side) then I owe you an apology, that is indeed a County Road and not trunk road, and that will be a local council decision. But I still maintain that it will be 30 for a good reason. You can't drop a decent quality DC to a 30 without one. If it's prone to queuing traffic, as it will be in the vicinity of Thickthorn, then the reasons are pretty obvious. A variable limit would be ideal for out-of-peak periods but the cost of providing one is pretty big, considering the technology and networking required, and we'd have a post saying "They've spent all my tax money on this s
t!!!!11!!!".
Bellend maybe. But at least I've got an understanding of highway design, and I understand that there are reasons for everything that you see on the roads. Whether I agree with them or not is a different matter, but hey, that's democracy for you.
20 miles away? Not sure about that... It's the junction west of the new-ish (2008) Honingham roundabout (that I was responsible for putting in following too many fatal accidents) where the chap lost his life.
ETA Now I've had the chance to look at it on a computer rather than on my phone, I can see that you've picked the choicest spot to reinforce your point. A little farther north and you have junctions, signals, bus lanes and traffic crossing bus lanes (bus lanes are there due to significant peak time congestion, ipso facto ergo sum whether it's 30 or 70 is irrelevant, apart from the fact that traffic approaching at 30 is far safer than Mr Too-Many-Chromosomes belting up there in his 3-series at warp speeds). A little farther south and you have junctions and a roundabout and (I believe) a hospital and more buses and again, significant congestion for the people trying to escape Norwich before Jethro and his brother/lover try to bumrape them. There are minimum lengths of speed limit you can have (600m iirc) and put too many in and the accusation rises of sign clutter/confusing limits and an attempt at revenue raising, as has been seen on this thread already.
I look forward to your next aggressive little post saying how it's all a lie and you should be allowed to drive as fast as you want on a DC within the City limits with residential accesses and the like.
t!!!!11!!!". Bellend maybe. But at least I've got an understanding of highway design, and I understand that there are reasons for everything that you see on the roads. Whether I agree with them or not is a different matter, but hey, that's democracy for you.
20 miles away? Not sure about that... It's the junction west of the new-ish (2008) Honingham roundabout (that I was responsible for putting in following too many fatal accidents) where the chap lost his life.
ETA Now I've had the chance to look at it on a computer rather than on my phone, I can see that you've picked the choicest spot to reinforce your point. A little farther north and you have junctions, signals, bus lanes and traffic crossing bus lanes (bus lanes are there due to significant peak time congestion, ipso facto ergo sum whether it's 30 or 70 is irrelevant, apart from the fact that traffic approaching at 30 is far safer than Mr Too-Many-Chromosomes belting up there in his 3-series at warp speeds). A little farther south and you have junctions and a roundabout and (I believe) a hospital and more buses and again, significant congestion for the people trying to escape Norwich before Jethro and his brother/lover try to bumrape them. There are minimum lengths of speed limit you can have (600m iirc) and put too many in and the accusation rises of sign clutter/confusing limits and an attempt at revenue raising, as has been seen on this thread already.
I look forward to your next aggressive little post saying how it's all a lie and you should be allowed to drive as fast as you want on a DC within the City limits with residential accesses and the like.
Edited by OpulentBob on Saturday 30th May 11:45
GETTING BACK ON TOPIC:
As I'm reading it, you were either:
Hooning around showing off to the World just how fast you 911 turbo accelerates to 60+ mph whilst either in a 30mph limit or approaching a 30mph speed limit and couldn't be bothered to slow it down to the speed limit (Which could be classed as dangerous driving possibly)
Or:
You were not in full control of your car and could not prevent it from hitting 64mph whilst either in a 30mph limit or whilst approaching a 30mph speed limit (In which case you need to sell the car if you cannot control it as you're a danger to ever other road user, especially in built up traffic!).
Now I've never driven a 911 turbo (and have no intention of ever doing so either as I have absolutely no interest in them whatsoever), but I have followed one or two in built up traffic in My time and they have always seemed to be quite docile things in stop-start traffic.
I can't say I recall any of them having to leave a massive gap to the car in front in order to allow for their "Jump to lightspeed" acceleration, they just seem able to potter along with the rest of the traffic without missing a beat when they have to.
So which was it OP?: Deliberate hooning or can't handle the car?
Jamesp24 said:
Unfortunately it was very much me that was driving.. have sent off the forms and will post back results : (. Just to clarify i wasn't merrily driving along at 64 in a 30 i pulled out of the junction just up the road.
First off: Were you caught speeding entering a 30mph speed limit or were you already in a 30mph speed limit? (Not that it makes that much difference to the fact that you were doing 64mph in a 30 limit).As I'm reading it, you were either:
Hooning around showing off to the World just how fast you 911 turbo accelerates to 60+ mph whilst either in a 30mph limit or approaching a 30mph speed limit and couldn't be bothered to slow it down to the speed limit (Which could be classed as dangerous driving possibly)
Or:
You were not in full control of your car and could not prevent it from hitting 64mph whilst either in a 30mph limit or whilst approaching a 30mph speed limit (In which case you need to sell the car if you cannot control it as you're a danger to ever other road user, especially in built up traffic!).
Now I've never driven a 911 turbo (and have no intention of ever doing so either as I have absolutely no interest in them whatsoever), but I have followed one or two in built up traffic in My time and they have always seemed to be quite docile things in stop-start traffic.
I can't say I recall any of them having to leave a massive gap to the car in front in order to allow for their "Jump to lightspeed" acceleration, they just seem able to potter along with the rest of the traffic without missing a beat when they have to.
So which was it OP?: Deliberate hooning or can't handle the car?
OpulentBob said:
ETA Now I've had the chance to look at it on a computer rather than on my phone, I can see that you've picked the choicest spot to reinforce your point. A little farther north and you have junctions, signals, bus lanes and traffic crossing bus lanes (bus lanes are there due to significant peak time congestion, ipso facto ergo sum whether it's 30 or 70 is irrelevant, apart from the fact that traffic approaching at 30 is far safer than Mr Too-Many-Chromosomes belting up there in his 3-series at warp speeds). A little farther south and you have junctions and a roundabout and (I believe) a hospital and more buses and again, significant congestion for the people trying to escape Norwich before Jethro and his brother/lover try to bumrape them. There are minimum lengths of speed limit you can have (600m iirc) and put too many in and the accusation rises of sign clutter/confusing limits and an attempt at revenue raising, as has been seen on this thread already.
I look forward to your next aggressive little post saying how it's all a lie and you should be allowed to drive as fast as you want on a DC within the City limits with residential accesses and the like.
Not picked the choicest spot at all. I simply put it in the middle of the actual section of road we were both talking about before you came on and started preaching at us.I look forward to your next aggressive little post saying how it's all a lie and you should be allowed to drive as fast as you want on a DC within the City limits with residential accesses and the like.
Edited by OpulentBob on Saturday 30th May 11:45
I completely agree that the single carriage way section with junctions, lights etc should be a 30 but thats not the bit of road we mentioned and were commenting on!
The dual carriage way section is very rarely busy and previous to the current 30 limit was a 50, which was probably in the vicinity of the correct and safe limit for this stretch of road.
anonymous said:
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Huh? There is not residental access directly off this particular stretch of road, as for the roundabout comment if you go 20/30 miles south on the A11 it is NSL and there is a series of 4/5 roundabouts within a few miles of each other. These roundabouts are smaller and are at least equally as 'dangerous' but the limit does not decrease (despite the limit being 40 mph higher than the particular bit of road we are ACTUALLY talking about).
I have already said I agree the road should be a 30 when it goes single carriage way to the north but neither myself or the person who originally commented on this section of the a11 were talking about the single carriage way section. If you actually knew the strecth of road we were talking about you would no doubt agree with us.
The speed limit can change on certain sections of the same road you know. in this case the dual could be 50 and the single carriage way could then become a 30.
Edited by TheHound on Saturday 30th May 15:42
Whilst we're on the subject of inexplicable limits can someone explain why the A12 has a 40mph limit for nigh on 10 miles from Dedham to Ipswich? The original reason was to protect the road workers during resurfacing, but work is only carried out at night and there's no sign of any work going on at all for the vast majority of the zone subject to the limit. And how on earth does a three month project manage to over run by 3 months?
Anyone read the Daily Mail today. Tycoons son zapped doing 72.78 in a 30 through road works on the A90 in his £250,000 Bently Wraith V12 6.5 ltr.
His seventh road traffic offence and fourth speeding conviction. But he does a lot for charity donating £250,000 to a neonatal unit, blah blah blah.
The Sheriff rejected leniency and said the court had to take into account of the serious of the offence.
All he got was a three month ban and £750 fine. Just wondering if his millionaire status had any bearing on it.
His seventh road traffic offence and fourth speeding conviction. But he does a lot for charity donating £250,000 to a neonatal unit, blah blah blah.
The Sheriff rejected leniency and said the court had to take into account of the serious of the offence.
All he got was a three month ban and £750 fine. Just wondering if his millionaire status had any bearing on it.
Vipers said:
Anyone read the Daily Mail today. Tycoons son zapped doing 72.78 in a 30 through road works on the A90 in his £250,000 Bently Wraith V12 6.5 ltr.
His seventh road traffic offence and fourth speeding conviction. But he does a lot for charity donating £250,000 to a neonatal unit, blah blah blah.
The Sheriff rejected leniency and said the court had to take into account of the serious of the offence.
All he got was a three month ban and £750 fine. Just wondering if his millionaire status had any bearing on it.
In this country, I would anticipate it only ever making the penalty more severe.His seventh road traffic offence and fourth speeding conviction. But he does a lot for charity donating £250,000 to a neonatal unit, blah blah blah.
The Sheriff rejected leniency and said the court had to take into account of the serious of the offence.
All he got was a three month ban and £750 fine. Just wondering if his millionaire status had any bearing on it.
Jamesp24 said:
Just a quick update on this for those interested.... I went to court on the 29th last month and received a £900 fine and 6 points.
When I was young and retarded I got zapped doing 63 in a 30 (The A40 heading into High Wycombe)3 points £500 fine.
Thankfully, lesson learned and my retardness got better as I grew up.
Dammit said:
To be able to drive as fast as he wants, everywhere, with no thought to the consequences.
You're absolutely right. Anyone who thinks any speed limit should be raised wants to be able to "drive as fast as they want". Thank god there are narcissists like you to put them in their place and show how morally upstanding you are by comparison.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff