Yes they really convicted the driver

[heebeegeetee]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Or I'm stopped in a narrow street (that I'm blocking) when I'm driving a large vehicle with scaffolding up one side and another truck on the other: then I check every time

One day though you'll make a mistake, as we all do. You have to hope that somebody isn't doing something absolutely insane at that very moment, cos for some reason they won't blame him at all for his contribution.

[Hugo a Gogo]

I get that you believe walking past a stationary vehicle is the height of insanity, you've repeated it enough, but I'm not sure why

either way, you'll probably have read in several posts that blaming the pedestrian doesn't absolve the driver anyway

[Devil2575]

heebeegeetee said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

Or I'm stopped in a narrow street (that I'm blocking) when I'm driving a large vehicle with scaffolding up one side and another truck on the other: then I check every time

One day though you'll make a mistake, as we all do. You have to hope that somebody isn't doing something absolutely insane at that very moment, cos for some reason they won't blame him at all for his contribution.

How do you know they haven't blamed him at all? The fact that in this case he's dead and so not able to take any more responsibility does kind of explain why it hasn't been mentioned a great deal.

However I'm still baffled by the people on this thread who seem to think they know more than people who are appraised with the full facts of the case. Let me help you out, you don't. It is meaningless to disagree with the outcome because you are in no position to do so. End of discussion.

[Digby]

I may have this wrong, but it reads to me like he was on his way back to the yard, came across the other truck, saw the cyclist in his mirrors, looked again but didn't see him, pulled away focusing on not hitting scaffolding on the other side of the road (height and width related) and didn't check his mirror at the point where the guy was being dragged.Could it be a simple case of truck drivers having many mirrors, blind spots and a lot more to focus on than most other modes of transport?

The guilt he feels may be the reason he said he wishes he had looked in the mirror, but he may have meant the second or third time etc?

Either way, someone has paid the ultimate price for putting themselves in a stupid position.

[Digby]

Vipers said:

vonhosen said:

Vipers said:

So we are in stationary traffic at or near traffic lights on an urban dual carriageway in L2.

Lights go to green, how many of us (be honest), check the left mirror before moving off for cyclists or motorcyclists who may have filtered through the traffic.

I monitor both sides whilst I'm waiting (to observe any problem approaching) & check both before moving off.

Thank god for that, I am not alone.

I have seven mirrors and a camera to check, but the situation can change before you have had a chance to look in them all twice.

[irocfan]

I posted in the wrong thread earlier (cock!)...



and yet DUI kills someone only get community service and 10 points? Huh?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/mother-of-fiv...

[Hugo a Gogo]

Digby said:

I may have this wrong, but it reads to me like he was on his way back to the yard, came across the other truck, saw the cyclist in his mirrors, looked again but didn't see him, pulled away focusing on not hitting scaffolding on the other side of the road (height and width related) and didn't check his mirror at the point where the guy was being dragged.Could it be a simple case of truck drivers having many mirrors, blind spots and a lot more to focus on than most other modes of transport?

The guilt he feels may be the reason he said he wishes he had looked in the mirror, but he may have meant the second or third time etc?

Either way, someone has paid the ultimate price for putting themselves in a stupid position.

yeah, you may have it wrong

cyclist came from the front, and dismounted

[anonymous-user]

irocfan said:

I posted in the wrong thread earlier (cock!)...

and yet DUI kills someone only get community service and 10 points? Huh?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/mother-of-fiv...

The death isn't relevant. The alcohol isn't relevant at that level (he probably didn't stop because he was over the limit and got lucky when he presented at the station). There were no driving standard offences. The only offence was failing to stop at an RTC.

[Nigel Worc's]

I usually get slated for my videos, but here goes .

I had waited at a red light, as it changed to green for me some pedestrians walked out, I of course gave them the priority they are entitled to when they do that, then we get "the cyclist".

I've no doubt I'd be as guilty in the eyes of the law as the lorry driver in this case, no matter what courses I've done, I just didn't see this one coming, I actually suspect he was outside of the scope of my mirrors.

It is "incidents" like this one that tends to lead to the automatic feeling of wishing to defend any driver that is involved in an incident with a cyclist.

In general they are just utter fktards regarding their own safety around larger vehicles that can easily kill them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGcj3pY-htg&fe...

[Digby]

Hugo a Gogo said:

yeah, you may have it wrong

cyclist came from the front, and dismounted

I see.I wonder at which point the driver saw him.

[Digby]

Nigel Worc's said:

In general they are just utter fktards regarding their own safety around larger vehicles that can easily kill them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGcj3pY-htg&fe...

Without being biased, that is often (sadly) my experience and that of many other drivers.I'm not sure people realise how common these problems are.I have days where almost every time my vehicle moves, something happens involving a cyclist / cyclists.If I stop start thirty times in the Old Kent Road for example, I may have twenty "Jesus Christ!" moments.It puts stress levels through the roof when you can never be 100% sure you are not going to kill someone during your working day.

[Hugo a Gogo]

Nigel Worc's said:

I usually get slated for my videos, but here goes .

I had waited at a red light, as it changed to green for me some pedestrians walked out, I of course gave them the priority they are entitled to when they do that, then we get "the cyclist".

I've no doubt I'd be as guilty in the eyes of the law as the lorry driver in this case, no matter what courses I've done, I just didn't see this one coming, I actually suspect he was outside of the scope of my mirrors.

It is "incidents" like this one that tends to lead to the automatic feeling of wishing to defend any driver that is involved in an incident with a cyclist.

In general they are just utter fktards regarding their own safety around larger vehicles that can easily kill them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGcj3pY-htg&fe...

how is that similar to this case, except that they both own a bicycle?

and did this 62 yr old man's fktardness only apply when he was on the bike, or also when he was pushing it?

[Retroman]

Nigel Worc's said:

It is "incidents" like this one that tends to lead to the automatic feeling of wishing to defend any driver that is involved in an incident with a cyclist.

In general they are just utter fktards regarding their own safety around larger vehicles that can easily kill them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGcj3pY-htg&fe...

So when you see someone driving a car badly and being an arse, do you think all car drivers are fktards as well, or does it only apply to methods of transport you don't use?

[maurauth]

The worst ones are those freakshow bikes.

There's a really bad one on youtube, recumbent check, south African accent check, arrogant self-absorbed pick check, shouting out reg numbers check.

Cycling Mike or something.

[Vipers]

Digby said:

I have seven mirrors and a camera to check, but the situation can change before you have had a chance to look in them all twice.

Thats about seven more than you find on seven bikes. Some cyclists are just kamakarzi pilots.

[Nigel Worc's]

Retroman said:

Nigel Worc's said:

It is "incidents" like this one that tends to lead to the automatic feeling of wishing to defend any driver that is involved in an incident with a cyclist.

In general they are just utter fktards regarding their own safety around larger vehicles that can easily kill them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGcj3pY-htg&fe...

So when you see someone driving a car badly and being an arse, do you think all car drivers are fktards as well, or does it only apply to methods of transport you don't use?

A badly driven car very rarely impacts upon me, and isn't going to be given some untouchable status where they just can't be wrong.

The driver of a badly driven car seems accountable for their shortcomings if something goes tits up, cyclists don't seem to be accountable, we (drivers) have to take responsibility for them.

You may not agree with me, but I think this is why other drivers seek to try and defend drivers if they are involved in an incident with cyclists.

[shouldbworking]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Or I'm stopped in a narrow street (that I'm blocking) when I'm driving a large vehicle with scaffolding up one side and another truck on the other: then I check every time

Especially when you've noticed something unusual like an impatient cyclist trying to squeeze through that gap.

[Pete317]

shouldbworking said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

Or I'm stopped in a narrow street (that I'm blocking) when I'm driving a large vehicle with scaffolding up one side and another truck on the other: then I check every time

Especially when you've noticed something unusual like an impatient cyclist trying to squeeze through that gap.

Yes, so short of being wilfully careless, why wouldn't you?

[heebeegeetee]

Nigel Worc's said:

A badly driven car very rarely impacts upon me,

But if it ever does, it's likely to do you and yours great harm, which is extremely unlikely in the case of a cyclist.

Badly driven cars probably impede all of us on every journey we make, plus the numbers of cars have a huge impact upon our lives. I have to leave home 30 mins earlier than I could, otherwise my journey time doubles.

Bicycles - don't know if I ever notice them tbh, they certainly have never had any impact of any sort in my motoring life.

[Retroman]

Nigel Worc's said:

A badly driven car very rarely impacts upon me, and isn't going to be given some untouchable status where they just can't be wrong.

The driver of a badly driven car seems accountable for their shortcomings if something goes tits up, cyclists don't seem to be accountable, we (drivers) have to take responsibility for them.

You may not agree with me, but I think this is why other drivers seek to try and defend drivers if they are involved in an incident with cyclists.

Try cycling through Great Western road sometime when it's busy and obey all the rules and see how motorists treat you then let me know if your opinion changes.
The amount of bad / dangerous / inconsiderate motorists i see driving is quite high, when i cycle it's even higher.

Just FYI i've third party cover for when cycling and i can genuinely say i've never went through a red light on my bicycle in the last 20 or so years cycling on roads.