Any Family Legal bods around. ?
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For the past few years my son has been house hopping. He could use a spare room at ours, but he he'd be deemed by LA to be not home less. And we'd be stuck with him ,ad infinitum, when all he wants is a place where he can be with himself, and have at least one or more of kids from a broken partnership stay with him over the weekend. Over the past week, he's had calls from his eldest in that broken relationship, ( now 13), wanting to see him ,and wanting dad to rescue her from her life where she goes to school in rags. she's being bullied at school over her clothes and wants her dad to get her out. Any advice on where he now goes would be be welcomed ( from folks like social folks/ legal bods/etc).
Perhaps a few more details of his circumstances.
What do you mean by 'house hopping'?
Does he work, if not is there a medical reason why not - such as disability - & is he in receipt of any benefits as a result?
Is he in receipt of any unemployment benefits?
If there is no reason why he isn't working is that his lifestyle choice?
Why does he not buy clothes for the child? Is he paying any maintenance?
What legal arrangements are in place with regard to his split & his access to his children?
What do you mean by 'house hopping'?
Does he work, if not is there a medical reason why not - such as disability - & is he in receipt of any benefits as a result?
Is he in receipt of any unemployment benefits?
If there is no reason why he isn't working is that his lifestyle choice?
Why does he not buy clothes for the child? Is he paying any maintenance?
What legal arrangements are in place with regard to his split & his access to his children?
Edited by paintman on Friday 29th May 08:10
Who me said:
He could use a spare room at ours, but he he'd be deemed by LA to be not home less.
Absolutely. Because he wouldn't be "homeless", since he'd have a home. Which is generally thought of as a good thing.Who Me said:
And we'd be stuck with him ,ad infinitum
Ah, what a loving father you are.The decent thing to do is to put him up whilst he saves for a deposit or finds somewhere to rent. Even on minimum wage, with no bills to pay it shouldn't take him long to save for a rental deposit.
Assuming of course that there is no impediment to him working for a living instead of sponging off the state.
Assuming of course that there is no impediment to him working for a living instead of sponging off the state.
Nice to see the last two posts, which DO not realise his problems( or those genuine job/home seekers on benefits). He's hunted tirelessly for work. He had a job, care off the Jobcentre, farmed off to an employment agency ,which gave him a ZERO hours contract. He was ASSURED that his right to work was determined, and no birth cert was needed, he took on this job, to get a full weeks work, then it was back to ( remember WHY the Dock labour thing came in -if not ,go look at history. ), turning up for work to be told that too many folks had reported in and he was not needed.But if he'd not turned in, then he'd get sanctioned.
2cv- I'd give him a home, but that is what local LA would like- He wants his own. He left home years ago of his own volition ,and he don't want to come home. He loves his freedom.
Mike Veal - he's be only too willing to WORK for his living- that's all he wants to do, but the law is wants HIM to provide some form of entitlement to be in UK legally. (Birth cert/passport/driving licence) . The Jobcentre will happily pay him JSA to job hunt, and pay for training, but are dragging heels on helping him pay to get a copy of his BC from abroad. THAT's the rub- they will happily pay him circa £65-70 per week to sign on ,,where he has little chance of finding a job, sans BC, but can't find the funds ( £75) to help him with his BC application from the FCO. At the moment , our local MP is researching the problem.
Why is he sans BC- last relationship broke down. She got in with weed smokers and her boyfriend moved in ,and he was told to get out. We suspect that the BC remain with her, but she won't talk about his stuff.
He desperately needs a job to fund a home for his kids, to remove them from a drug environment ,and provide properly for them. The eldest is bullied at school ,due to her personal appearance, but school and Children's services have not acted. She has no desire to stop at home, but wants to go live with dad.
So ,before you go sniping, get facts in order.
2cv- I'd give him a home, but that is what local LA would like- He wants his own. He left home years ago of his own volition ,and he don't want to come home. He loves his freedom.
Mike Veal - he's be only too willing to WORK for his living- that's all he wants to do, but the law is wants HIM to provide some form of entitlement to be in UK legally. (Birth cert/passport/driving licence) . The Jobcentre will happily pay him JSA to job hunt, and pay for training, but are dragging heels on helping him pay to get a copy of his BC from abroad. THAT's the rub- they will happily pay him circa £65-70 per week to sign on ,,where he has little chance of finding a job, sans BC, but can't find the funds ( £75) to help him with his BC application from the FCO. At the moment , our local MP is researching the problem.
Why is he sans BC- last relationship broke down. She got in with weed smokers and her boyfriend moved in ,and he was told to get out. We suspect that the BC remain with her, but she won't talk about his stuff.
He desperately needs a job to fund a home for his kids, to remove them from a drug environment ,and provide properly for them. The eldest is bullied at school ,due to her personal appearance, but school and Children's services have not acted. She has no desire to stop at home, but wants to go live with dad.
So ,before you go sniping, get facts in order.
Who me question mark said:
... a copy of his BC from abroad.
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So ,before you go sniping, get facts in order.
You never told us this ...
So ,before you go sniping, get facts in order.
(being political, if he was born in the UK then the Town Hall local to his birthplace can provide birth certificates for free (or a small fee, I forget now 
). 
.Who me question mark said:
... The eldest is bullied at school ,due to her personal appearance, but school and Children's services have not acted.
...
Care to expand on this? ...
There is a question here that nobody is asking - but which will provide all the answers. Damned if I can find it?
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Mike Veal - he's be only too willing to WORK for his living- that's all he wants to do, but the law is wants HIM to provide some form of entitlement to be in UK legally. (Birth cert/passport/driving licence) . The Jobcentre will happily pay him JSA to job hunt, and pay for training, but are dragging heels on helping him pay to get a copy of his BC from abroad. THAT's the rub- they will happily pay him circa £65-70 per week to sign on ,,where he has little chance of finding a job, sans BC, but can't find the funds ( £75) to help him with his BC application from the FCO. At the moment , our local MP is researching the problem.
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Seriously?
You think the tax payer should fund obtaining a copy of his birth certificate?
Why do employers require sight of his birth certificate? Does he not have a passport? If not, why not? How did he get into the country without it? Is he a EU citizen?
Mike Veal - he's be only too willing to WORK for his living- that's all he wants to do, but the law is wants HIM to provide some form of entitlement to be in UK legally. (Birth cert/passport/driving licence) . The Jobcentre will happily pay him JSA to job hunt, and pay for training, but are dragging heels on helping him pay to get a copy of his BC from abroad. THAT's the rub- they will happily pay him circa £65-70 per week to sign on ,,where he has little chance of finding a job, sans BC, but can't find the funds ( £75) to help him with his BC application from the FCO. At the moment , our local MP is researching the problem.
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Seriously?
You think the tax payer should fund obtaining a copy of his birth certificate?
Why do employers require sight of his birth certificate? Does he not have a passport? If not, why not? How did he get into the country without it? Is he a EU citizen?
imagineifyeswill said:
Im just surmising, but there was a similar thread to this some time ago, the person in question had been born in Rhodesia to british parents when it was still a british colony, all the birth records remain in Rhodesia and its almost immpossible to obtain access to copies.
Yep.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
[quote=Who me ?]Nice to see the last two posts, which DO not realise his problems( or those genuine job/home seekers on benefits). He's hunted tirelessly for work. He had a job, care off the Jobcentre, farmed off to an employment agency ,which gave him a ZERO hours contract. He was ASSURED that his right to work was determined, and no birth cert was needed, he took on this job, to get a full weeks work, then it was back to ( remember WHY the Dock labour thing came in -if not ,go look at history. ), turning up for work to be told that too many folks had reported in and he was not needed.But if he'd not turned in, then he'd get sanctioned.
2cv- I'd give him a home, but that is what local LA would like- He wants his own. He left home years ago of his own volition ,and he don't want to come home. He loves his freedom.
Mike Veal - he's be only too willing to WORK for his living- that's all he wants to do, but the law is wants HIM to provide some form of entitlement to be in UK legally. (Birth cert/passport/driving licence) . The Jobcentre will happily pay him JSA to job hunt, and pay for training, but are dragging heels on helping him pay to get a copy of his BC from abroad. THAT's the rub- they will happily pay him circa £65-70 per week to sign on ,,where he has little chance of finding a job, sans BC, but can't find the funds ( £75) to help him with his BC application from the FCO. At the moment , our local MP is researching the problem.
Why is he sans BC- last relationship broke down. She got in with weed smokers and her boyfriend moved in ,and he was told to get out. We suspect that the BC remain with her, but she won't talk about his stuff.
He desperately needs a job to fund a home for his kids, to remove them from a drug environment ,and provide properly for them. The eldest is bullied at school ,due to her personal appearance, but school and Children's services have not acted. She has no desire to stop at home, but wants to go live with dad.
So ,before you go sniping, get facts in order.
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Can't you find £75 for him, or some clothes for your granddaughter?
2cv- I'd give him a home, but that is what local LA would like- He wants his own. He left home years ago of his own volition ,and he don't want to come home. He loves his freedom.
Mike Veal - he's be only too willing to WORK for his living- that's all he wants to do, but the law is wants HIM to provide some form of entitlement to be in UK legally. (Birth cert/passport/driving licence) . The Jobcentre will happily pay him JSA to job hunt, and pay for training, but are dragging heels on helping him pay to get a copy of his BC from abroad. THAT's the rub- they will happily pay him circa £65-70 per week to sign on ,,where he has little chance of finding a job, sans BC, but can't find the funds ( £75) to help him with his BC application from the FCO. At the moment , our local MP is researching the problem.
Why is he sans BC- last relationship broke down. She got in with weed smokers and her boyfriend moved in ,and he was told to get out. We suspect that the BC remain with her, but she won't talk about his stuff.
He desperately needs a job to fund a home for his kids, to remove them from a drug environment ,and provide properly for them. The eldest is bullied at school ,due to her personal appearance, but school and Children's services have not acted. She has no desire to stop at home, but wants to go live with dad.
So ,before you go sniping, get facts in order.
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Can't you find £75 for him, or some clothes for your granddaughter?
It sounds like a right mess. Does he have PR?
IF the child is being neglected can't you step in? Offer them/her a place, make some strongly worded phone calls to get other professionals to step in.
Is he entitled to housing benefit? You and he only need find a deposit and the top up each month for a private rented place if he is.
You're going to continue to get a hard time on here until you drop the attitude your son is somehow a victim in this. He isn't
IF the child is being neglected can't you step in? Offer them/her a place, make some strongly worded phone calls to get other professionals to step in.
Is he entitled to housing benefit? You and he only need find a deposit and the top up each month for a private rented place if he is.
You're going to continue to get a hard time on here until you drop the attitude your son is somehow a victim in this. He isn't
imagineifyeswill said:
Im just surmising, but there was a similar thread to this some time ago, the person in question had been born in Rhodesia to british parents when it was still a british colony, all the birth records remain in Rhodesia and its almost immpossible to obtain access to copies.
YEP-that was me. FCO says it's possible to get a copy, but ZHC say don't even try, unless you know someone over there and $Z are impossible to get hold of. Plus the fact that they intimated that the cash would get "lost" on way. Daughter still has FB friends over there and word is that country is that bad that it's possible that records of white births are now "lost". She was terrified to ask .
So whilst it's very possible that any payment ( which I am led to believe ) is non returnable ,if BC cannot be obtained, he's got no other avenue of fulfilling the limits put on employers by BA. So if FCO cannot help ,then he's got more possible routes for help. He can't afford the £75 ,as he's on dole, but JSA can afford to quibble ,yet still pay him at least £75 in JSA and rent ( If JSA could get him a BC & hence a job, then it would be a bargain for them.£75 against a bit more each week - JS have admitted that main problem with him getting a job is BC ) . I can't afford the cash on my pension, thanks to the "kick up" Brown made of the UK finances. We can and do buy her clothes, but that just means more cash for mother & partner to spend on wacky baccy.
He has PR and a court agreement to visiting rights, but because of his housing situation ,she's now refusing access, and causes problems if either phone/text each other. He could legally remove her, but it would also mean removing her brother where PR is a bit of an iffy situation ( to safeguard his safety, but would mean son housing a teenage daughter/ a brother two years younger and himself in a one bed flat.
he's had advice from a solicitor in a free session , and his next step is court proceedings, but ( yes ,thanks to financial cutbacks ), he's on his own ,with a possible bill of £500-600 for court proceedings to get the previous access agreement ratified and implemented. ( Unless some family legal bod can suggest how to get the previous family court decision upheld. )
Police raiding ex's property- little chance of that ,and of recovery of BC, as she's moved a couple of times and being the vindictive type ,most likely has destroyed any of his stuff , and Police would most likely take the line that is is/was a domestic where they could not intervene.
CAPP0 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Who Me said:
And we'd be stuck with him ,ad infinitum
Ah, what a loving father you are.Edited to remove my original vitriol.
Edited by CAPP0 on Saturday 13th June 23:23[/footnote]
[footnote]Edited by CAPP0 on Saturday 13th June 23:23
. If I wasn't a loving father, he'd be where he doesn't want to be - in our spare room ,ad infinitum, and be classed as not homeless. He doesn't want to live with us. he wants his own place. And as for the matter of his passport etc,and him finding work ( and bailing him out financially ,when he's in need/feeding him) - if I was as accused, I'd tell him to sling his hook. FAB32- From my knowledge of the third world, that's what I'd expect will happen ,once the application gets abroad. But ,that is not main concern at moment.
But PERHAPS, in NON PH( OF THE PRESENT) form, someone might just suggest how he goes about sorting out his parental problems.
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