Any Family Legal bods around. ?
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Who me said:
OK, CAPPO- too many on here ,who don't look over the wall before jumping to find a 100ft drop on the other side. 
. If I wasn't a loving father, he'd be where he doesn't want to be - in our spare room ,ad infinitum, and be classed as not homeless. He doesn't want to live with us. he wants his own place. And as for the matter of his passport etc,and him finding work ( and bailing him out financially ,when he's in need/feeding him) - if I was as accused, I'd tell him to sling his hook.
FAB32- From my knowledge of the third world, that's what I'd expect will happen ,once the application gets abroad. But ,that is not main concern at moment.
But PERHAPS, in NON PH( OF THE PRESENT) form, someone might just suggest how he goes about sorting out his parental problems.
Absolutely - my post was directed at the 2CV chap, who jumped in both feet. I do actually completely understand your situation, I knew someone years ago who effectively threw their own adult son out, resulting in him ending up in a hostel, simply because otherwise he had no chance of even getting onto the council housing list let alone getting a property of his own.. If I wasn't a loving father, he'd be where he doesn't want to be - in our spare room ,ad infinitum, and be classed as not homeless. He doesn't want to live with us. he wants his own place. And as for the matter of his passport etc,and him finding work ( and bailing him out financially ,when he's in need/feeding him) - if I was as accused, I'd tell him to sling his hook. FAB32- From my knowledge of the third world, that's what I'd expect will happen ,once the application gets abroad. But ,that is not main concern at moment.
But PERHAPS, in NON PH( OF THE PRESENT) form, someone might just suggest how he goes about sorting out his parental problems.
Edited by CAPP0 on Sunday 14th June 23:30
PurpleMoonlight said:
Seriously?
You think the tax payer should fund obtaining a copy of his birth certificate?
Why do employers require sight of his birth certificate? Does he not have a passport? If not, why not? How did he get into the country without it? Is he a EU citizen?
See http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...You think the tax payer should fund obtaining a copy of his birth certificate?
Why do employers require sight of his birth certificate? Does he not have a passport? If not, why not? How did he get into the country without it? Is he a EU citizen?
He came into UK on my passport, which said that I and any others on my passport "had right of abode in UK"( See other comments on the above post for an explanation ,if you are too young to have seen this old sort of passport), so He is a UK CITIZEN with the same rights as you or I .
This is getting similar to the song"there's a hole in the bucket" - HE HAS NO BC, so how can he get Passport ,or even a driving licence. UKBA, don't want to help. But employers WANT a BC, to prove right of abode.( And guess who police the employers to check that employees are not illegals-- WHY YES- UKBA).
PM, said"You think the tax payer should fund obtaining a copy of his birth certificate?" - not a bad bargain- son wants a job, taxpayer will pay for any way to get him into work, but baulk at paying out less than the equivalent of one weeks money to get him BC.
IT also raises questions if/when the official request comes back in negative. WHAT does FCO do to ensure UK citizens without BC ,but born and registered abroad( at an Embassy/BHC) are guaranteed the same rights as those who are allowed to stay following a request for sanctuary. He's only asking for his rights as a person entitled to live and ,(as he wants) WORK, to be made official.
And again- look at http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Son has two needs- one is JC help with his BC application , AND help to mount a legal challenge to get custody of his two (possibly in need of care) kids. As said, GD is shabbily dressed - and her clothes are dirty. We have bought her ( especially Mrs WM) , girly stuff, she liked, and other essentials. If she takes it home- she never sees it again. Years ago ,they arrived on (what was then ) a rare weekend visit.GS had a large visible slap mark on his leg,made by her partner, and Children's services were made aware and furnished with a photo .Son's partner used this as an excuse to be non cooperative on weekend visits.
Edited by Who me ? on Sunday 14th June 23:19
Who me said:
See http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
He came into UK on my passport, which said that I and any others on my passport "had right of abode in UK"( See other comments on the above post for an explanation ,if you are too young to have seen this old sort of passport), so He is a UK CITIZEN with the same rights as you or I .
This is getting similar to the song"there's a hole in the bucket" - HE HAS NO BC, so how can he get Passport ,or even a driving licence. UKBA, don't want to help. But employers WANT a BC, to prove right of abode.( And guess who police the employers to check that employees are not illegals-- WHY YES- UKBA).
PM, said"You think the tax payer should fund obtaining a copy of his birth certificate?" - not a bad bargain- son wants a job, taxpayer will pay for any way to get him into work, but baulk at paying out less than the equivalent of one weeks money to get him BC.
IT also raises questions if/when the official request comes back in negative. WHAT does FCO do to ensure UK citizens without BC ,but born and registered abroad( at an Embassy/BHC) are guaranteed the same rights as those who are allowed to stay following a request for sanctuary. He's only asking for his rights as a person entitled to live and ,(as he wants) WORK, to be made official.
And again- look at http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Son has two needs- one is JC help with his BC application , AND help to mount a legal challenge to get custody of his two (possibly in need of care) kids. As said, GD is shabbily dressed - and her clothes are dirty. We have bought her ( especially Mrs WM) , girly stuff, she liked, and other essentials. If she takes it home- she never sees it again. Years ago ,they arrived on (what was then ) a rare weekend visit.GS had a large visible slap mark on his leg,made by her partner, and Children's services were made aware and furnished with a photo .Son's partner used this as an excuse to be non cooperative on weekend visits.
On the basis the situation is as you say, I don't really understand why this wasnt a massive issue and sorted out years ago. How did he get a bank account or anything else you realistically need? He's been here long enough to have two children but not sort these things out? And these things get harder as time goes by, not easier, political change aside. Maybe there is a valid answer but superficially there is a question over the priorities you and your son have historically had, or the completeness of the story. It wouldn't be the first PH thread to be economical with the facts.He came into UK on my passport, which said that I and any others on my passport "had right of abode in UK"( See other comments on the above post for an explanation ,if you are too young to have seen this old sort of passport), so He is a UK CITIZEN with the same rights as you or I .
This is getting similar to the song"there's a hole in the bucket" - HE HAS NO BC, so how can he get Passport ,or even a driving licence. UKBA, don't want to help. But employers WANT a BC, to prove right of abode.( And guess who police the employers to check that employees are not illegals-- WHY YES- UKBA).
PM, said"You think the tax payer should fund obtaining a copy of his birth certificate?" - not a bad bargain- son wants a job, taxpayer will pay for any way to get him into work, but baulk at paying out less than the equivalent of one weeks money to get him BC.
IT also raises questions if/when the official request comes back in negative. WHAT does FCO do to ensure UK citizens without BC ,but born and registered abroad( at an Embassy/BHC) are guaranteed the same rights as those who are allowed to stay following a request for sanctuary. He's only asking for his rights as a person entitled to live and ,(as he wants) WORK, to be made official.
And again- look at http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Son has two needs- one is JC help with his BC application , AND help to mount a legal challenge to get custody of his two (possibly in need of care) kids. As said, GD is shabbily dressed - and her clothes are dirty. We have bought her ( especially Mrs WM) , girly stuff, she liked, and other essentials. If she takes it home- she never sees it again. Years ago ,they arrived on (what was then ) a rare weekend visit.GS had a large visible slap mark on his leg,made by her partner, and Children's services were made aware and furnished with a photo .Son's partner used this as an excuse to be non cooperative on weekend visits.
Edited by Who me ? on Sunday 14th June 23:19
I'm not even sure this thread is serious, as I simply don't believe someone living with their parents couldn't come up with £75 if it was the sole thing stopping them gaining employment then having access to their kids.
But assuming it is real...
[quote=Who me ?]
We can and do buy her clothes, but that just means more cash for mother & partner to spend on wacky baccy.
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So prioritise. Kids go hungry or go to school in rags for the next month or two? Tough luck. Sort the birth certificate first, as with that in place you have a genuine path to fixing this (documents sorted > job > own house > access to kids)
But assuming it is real...
[quote=Who me ?]
We can and do buy her clothes, but that just means more cash for mother & partner to spend on wacky baccy.
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So prioritise. Kids go hungry or go to school in rags for the next month or two? Tough luck. Sort the birth certificate first, as with that in place you have a genuine path to fixing this (documents sorted > job > own house > access to kids)
Who me Question mark said:
Nice to see the last two posts, which DO not realise his problems( or those genuine job/home seekers on benefits). He's hunted tirelessly for work. He had a job, care off the Jobcentre, farmed off to an employment agency ,which gave him a ZERO hours contract. He was ASSURED that his right to work was determined, and no birth cert was needed, he took on this job, to get a full weeks work, then it was back to ( remember WHY the Dock labour thing came in -if not ,go look at history. ), turning up for work to be told that too many folks had reported in and he was not needed.But if he'd not turned in, then he'd get sanctioned.
2cv- I'd give him a home, but that is what local LA would like- He wants his own. He left home years ago of his own volition ,and he don't want to come home. He loves his freedom.
Mike Veal - he's be only too willing to WORK for his living- that's all he wants to do, but the law is wants HIM to provide some form of entitlement to be in UK legally. (Birth cert/passport/driving licence) . The Jobcentre will happily pay him JSA to job hunt, and pay for training, but are dragging heels on helping him pay to get a copy of his BC from abroad. THAT's the rub- they will happily pay him circa £65-70 per week to sign on ,,where he has little chance of finding a job, sans BC, but can't find the funds ( £75) to help him with his BC application from the FCO. At the moment , our local MP is researching the problem.
Why is he sans BC- last relationship broke down. She got in with weed smokers and her boyfriend moved in ,and he was told to get out. We suspect that the BC remain with her, but she won't talk about his stuff.
He desperately needs a job to fund a home for his kids, to remove them from a drug environment ,and provide properly for them. The eldest is bullied at school ,due to her personal appearance, but school and Children's services have not acted. She has no desire to stop at home, but wants to go live with dad.
So ,before you go sniping, get facts in order.
OK cool.2cv- I'd give him a home, but that is what local LA would like- He wants his own. He left home years ago of his own volition ,and he don't want to come home. He loves his freedom.
Mike Veal - he's be only too willing to WORK for his living- that's all he wants to do, but the law is wants HIM to provide some form of entitlement to be in UK legally. (Birth cert/passport/driving licence) . The Jobcentre will happily pay him JSA to job hunt, and pay for training, but are dragging heels on helping him pay to get a copy of his BC from abroad. THAT's the rub- they will happily pay him circa £65-70 per week to sign on ,,where he has little chance of finding a job, sans BC, but can't find the funds ( £75) to help him with his BC application from the FCO. At the moment , our local MP is researching the problem.
Why is he sans BC- last relationship broke down. She got in with weed smokers and her boyfriend moved in ,and he was told to get out. We suspect that the BC remain with her, but she won't talk about his stuff.
He desperately needs a job to fund a home for his kids, to remove them from a drug environment ,and provide properly for them. The eldest is bullied at school ,due to her personal appearance, but school and Children's services have not acted. She has no desire to stop at home, but wants to go live with dad.
So ,before you go sniping, get facts in order.
Doesn't change a thing. The decent thing to do is put him up whilst he sorts this out, gets a job and saves for a rental deposit.
I can't believe that between you both you can't find £75 to sort his Birth Certificate.
Your post is so very blatantly "The state must pay cuz weze intitled" that I half suspect you're trolling. You've a son who you expect the LA to find a house for, despite the fact that you are able to put him up. You even want the State to pay for him to get a copy his Birth Certificate that he lost.
Very happy to hear that the LA are clearly making it difficult for this guy to find a house. If you expected a different response from PH, you're deluded.
C'mon, your granddaughter is living in an environment where there are drugs, your son needs a bed and £75 to sort his life out and you're able to help out but think the state should do it instead? Shame on you.
[quote=Who me ?]
See http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
He came into UK on my passport, which said that I and any others on my passport "had right of abode in UK"( See other comments on the above post for an explanation ,if you are too young to have seen this old sort of passport), so He is a UK CITIZEN with the same rights as you or I .
This is getting similar to the song"there's a hole in the bucket" - HE HAS NO BC, so how can he get Passport ,or even a driving licence. UKBA, don't want to help. But employers WANT a BC, to prove right of abode.( And guess who police the employers to check that employees are not illegals-- WHY YES- UKBA).
PM, said"You think the tax payer should fund obtaining a copy of his birth certificate?" - not a bad bargain- son wants a job, taxpayer will pay for any way to get him into work, but baulk at paying out less than the equivalent of one weeks money to get him BC.
IT also raises questions if/when the official request comes back in negative. WHAT does FCO do to ensure UK citizens without BC ,but born and registered abroad( at an Embassy/BHC) are guaranteed the same rights as those who are allowed to stay following a request for sanctuary. He's only asking for his rights as a person entitled to live and ,(as he wants) WORK, to be made official.
And again- look at http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Son has two needs- one is JC help with his BC application , AND help to mount a legal challenge to get custody of his two (possibly in need of care) kids. As said, GD is shabbily dressed - and her clothes are dirty. We have bought her ( especially Mrs WM) , girly stuff, she liked, and other essentials. If she takes it home- she never sees it again. Years ago ,they arrived on (what was then ) a rare weekend visit.GS had a large visible slap mark on his leg,made by her partner, and Children's services were made aware and furnished with a photo .Son's partner used this as an excuse to be non cooperative on weekend visits.
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genuinely puzzled...how has he been able to claim benefits?
regardless, since its less than one week's money why hasn't he sorted it out long ago?
See http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
He came into UK on my passport, which said that I and any others on my passport "had right of abode in UK"( See other comments on the above post for an explanation ,if you are too young to have seen this old sort of passport), so He is a UK CITIZEN with the same rights as you or I .
This is getting similar to the song"there's a hole in the bucket" - HE HAS NO BC, so how can he get Passport ,or even a driving licence. UKBA, don't want to help. But employers WANT a BC, to prove right of abode.( And guess who police the employers to check that employees are not illegals-- WHY YES- UKBA).
PM, said"You think the tax payer should fund obtaining a copy of his birth certificate?" - not a bad bargain- son wants a job, taxpayer will pay for any way to get him into work, but baulk at paying out less than the equivalent of one weeks money to get him BC.
IT also raises questions if/when the official request comes back in negative. WHAT does FCO do to ensure UK citizens without BC ,but born and registered abroad( at an Embassy/BHC) are guaranteed the same rights as those who are allowed to stay following a request for sanctuary. He's only asking for his rights as a person entitled to live and ,(as he wants) WORK, to be made official.
And again- look at http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Son has two needs- one is JC help with his BC application , AND help to mount a legal challenge to get custody of his two (possibly in need of care) kids. As said, GD is shabbily dressed - and her clothes are dirty. We have bought her ( especially Mrs WM) , girly stuff, she liked, and other essentials. If she takes it home- she never sees it again. Years ago ,they arrived on (what was then ) a rare weekend visit.GS had a large visible slap mark on his leg,made by her partner, and Children's services were made aware and furnished with a photo .Son's partner used this as an excuse to be non cooperative on weekend visits.
Edited by Who me ? on Sunday 14th June 23:19
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genuinely puzzled...how has he been able to claim benefits?
regardless, since its less than one week's money why hasn't he sorted it out long ago?
He's had a NI for years, and been on benefits for years ( and trying to get off them for years). I seem to think he got that when he could produce a BC,so I'd suspect there must be a copy on JC system somewhere , but no one on there has thought to look for it. All the joke shop Job centre have offered him over the years have been dead end, or training course/ work experience where he's ended back on benefits. On his last attempt, he was put forward by the joke shop Job centre and accepted by the agency ,but firm would not accept JC /agency word that he had immigration rights and JC accepted him back without complaint. It's only recently ( with UKBA crackdown) that he's had problems. JC would like to help, but all their schemes involve other sources .At moment , he's asked local MP for help.
pork911- I saw that post and it made a mockery of the so called legal aid system. In his case he's got PR on both,and access rights granted in a family court, yet mother can sit back and take the P ,to the extent of changing their surnames without his approval . Yet to get the law upheld ,he's got to raise a civil action and pay for it. THAT IS WHY I asked if any family legal bods could help me direct him to any organisations that could help.
pork911- I saw that post and it made a mockery of the so called legal aid system. In his case he's got PR on both,and access rights granted in a family court, yet mother can sit back and take the P ,to the extent of changing their surnames without his approval . Yet to get the law upheld ,he's got to raise a civil action and pay for it. THAT IS WHY I asked if any family legal bods could help me direct him to any organisations that could help.
Can he get one of these?
https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/PT_Cert...
If so, then that should satisfy employers that he has the right to work here.
https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/PT_Cert...
If so, then that should satisfy employers that he has the right to work here.
[quote=Who me ?]He's had a NI for years, and been on benefits for years ( and trying to get off them for years). I seem to think he got that when he could produce a BC,so I'd suspect there must be a copy on JC system somewhere , but no one on there has thought to look for it. All the joke shop Job centre have offered him over the years have been dead end, or training course/ work experience where he's ended back on benefits. On his last attempt, he was put forward by the joke shop Job centre and accepted by the agency ,but firm would not accept JC /agency word that he had immigration rights and JC accepted him back without complaint. It's only recently ( with UKBA crackdown) that he's had problems. JC would like to help, but all their schemes involve other sources .At moment , he's asked local MP for help.
pork911- I saw that post and it made a mockery of the so called legal aid system. In his case he's got PR on both,and access rights granted in a family court, yet mother can sit back and take the P ,to the extent of changing their surnames without his approval . Yet to get the law upheld ,he's got to raise a civil action and pay for it. THAT IS WHY I asked if any family legal bods could help me direct him to any organisations that could help.
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Its embarrassing watching you refer to them as a joke shop, while he's being a benefit scrounger (with your assistance) for "years".
They're there to help you find job interviews, not tie your shoelaces for you. Its completely unrealistic to expect them to help you with £75, and then going moaning to your MP and wasting even more of other peoples money (evidently something you're perfectly used to). Get a grip ffs
pork911- I saw that post and it made a mockery of the so called legal aid system. In his case he's got PR on both,and access rights granted in a family court, yet mother can sit back and take the P ,to the extent of changing their surnames without his approval . Yet to get the law upheld ,he's got to raise a civil action and pay for it. THAT IS WHY I asked if any family legal bods could help me direct him to any organisations that could help.
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Its embarrassing watching you refer to them as a joke shop, while he's being a benefit scrounger (with your assistance) for "years".
They're there to help you find job interviews, not tie your shoelaces for you. Its completely unrealistic to expect them to help you with £75, and then going moaning to your MP and wasting even more of other peoples money (evidently something you're perfectly used to). Get a grip ffs
Who me said:
He's had a NI for years, and been on benefits for years ( and trying to get off them for years). I seem to think he got that when he could produce a BC
So he's lost his BC? Your
Who me said:
All the joke shop Job centre have offered him over the years have been dead end, or training course/ work experience where he's ended back on benefits.
Poor lamb. Just "dead end" jobs. And him with his mass of experience and marketable skills.Oh, wait a sec.
Who me said:
but firm would not accept JC /agency word that he had immigration rights and JC accepted him back without complaint. It's only recently ( with UKBA crackdown) that he's had problems.
Umm, yes. That'll be because it's a legal requirement that people can prove their entitlement to work in this country. If they employ somebody, and it's later found that person doesn't have a legal right to work here, then the employer is in deep, DEEP s
t.https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
https://www.gov.uk/legal-right-work-uk
https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-wo...
It is HIS responsibility to be able to prove who he is, and that he has the right to work in the UK. Nobody else's.
Once again - DOES HE HAVE A PASSPORT? Has he ever had a passport?
TooMany2cvs said:
Poor lamb. Just "dead end" jobs. And him with his mass of experience and marketable skills.
Oh, wait a sec.
Exactly. If you've been on benefits for "years" then all you can realistically expect is a minimum wage horrible job. At least from there you can turn up every day on time and sober and look to move onto something else with a bit of experience and proving you're not scared of a days work...Oh, wait a sec.
KFC said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Poor lamb. Just "dead end" jobs. And him with his mass of experience and marketable skills.
Oh, wait a sec.
Exactly. If you've been on benefits for "years" then all you can realistically expect is a minimum wage horrible job. At least from there you can turn up every day on time and sober and look to move onto something else with a bit of experience and proving you're not scared of a days work...Oh, wait a sec.
Edited by Jonsv8 on Tuesday 16th June 14:50
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