9 Points on license & now caught by speed camera, what ban?

9 Points on license & now caught by speed camera, what ban?

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The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
Actually I'm only after peoples opinions on my ACTUAL possible fate thank you not what THEY would punish me with or I'm sure this thread will quickly fill up with "string him up" posts frown
I think as many people would put an arm round your shoulders.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
I'm not defending my actions by any stretch. If I did the crime then I'll do the time, no problem.

I've 2 previous convictions amounting to 9 points. Both were camera based, 1 on dual carriageway and 1 on Mway. Prior to that the only other conviction I ever got was some 27 years ago when I'd just passed my test.

My comment about it being perhaps a little harsh is in relation to a chap in work who tore round a corner on a country road and collided with a stationary car putting 2 people in hospital and only got a 3 month ban.
2 prior convictions giving you 9 points. That means you either got 4 points for one and 5 for the other or 3 for one and 6 for the other. So what's the story there?

gadgetmac

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14,984 posts

108 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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LoonR1 said:
2 prior convictions giving you 9 points. That means you either got 4 points for one and 5 for the other or 3 for one and 6 for the other. So what's the story there?
3 and 6.

Yes, yes, I know, and I've put my hand up to it, I'm not one to not acknowledge my short-comings. Both of those I saw the 'flash' in my rear view mirror and instantly knew I'd done wrong. Both times I got that pit-of-stomach "oh b*ll*cks" moment.

This one is 'different'. No pit-of-stomach moment. No 'flash' and I've never not recognised the cameras existence (as I approached it) before. It's a 50 limit on a rural semi-busy dual carriageway at 6:30pm where everyones brake lights come on in front of you. It's almost unthinkable how I did this one.

But if I did then I must take whatever 'hit' is headed my way. Trust me, my wife is on my case 24/7 about it at the moment. So I'm just trying to get a bit of forewarning as to what that 'hit' will likely be.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
3 and 6.

Yes, yes, I know, and I've put my hand up to it, I'm not one to not acknowledge my short-comings. Both of those I saw the 'flash' in my rear view mirror and instantly knew I'd done wrong. Both times I got that pit-of-stomach "oh b*ll*cks" moment.

This one is 'different'. No pit-of-stomach moment. No 'flash' and I've never not recognised the cameras existence (as I approached it) before. It's a 50 limit on a rural semi-busy dual carriageway at 6:30pm where everyones brake lights come on in front of you. It's almost unthinkable how I did this one.

But if I did then I must take whatever 'hit' is headed my way. Trust me, my wife is on my case 24/7 about it at the moment. So I'm just trying to get a bit of forewarning as to what that 'hit' will likely be.
So what happened to get 6, that's quite a penalty as it's the maximum for speeding, or pretty close to it.

Durzel

12,271 posts

168 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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The irony of course is that had you blazed past the speed camera at e.g. double the speed limit you could've ended up with a straight ban for that offence which would be almost certainly shorter than the totting up ban you're facing.

That said your driving record looked at dispassionately - on for 12 points in 2 years for 3 speeding offences - paints the picture of someone who has scant regard for the intended effect of these punishments (modifying ones driving), so you're have to do a good job with your exceptional hardship statement.

essdaytwelve

5,053 posts

211 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Totting up = 6 months and fine based on income + costs

Will go quickly, get a bike, will save you a fortune



Best of luck

bad company

18,587 posts

266 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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btcc123 said:
laws I would make the ban 6 months and a maximum fine which I believe is £2500.Or possibly give you 12 points but not ban you so you will have the knowledge of one slip up and you will get a ban ,oh and a £5000 fine.
Blimey I thought this was a motoring forum where we all like to 'make progress'. I see you live in Wales, are you related to Richard Brunstrom?

Sorry to hear of your predicament op, hope they are not too hard on you.

gadgetmac

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14,984 posts

108 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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LoonR1 said:
So what happened to get 6, that's quite a penalty as it's the maximum for speeding, or pretty close to it.
90 in a 70. (M25 at 2am - more cameras than traffic) but no excuses. The judge only gave me a £100 fine but I think that because this incident followed hot on the heels of the first one he spanked me with the points.

My problem is if I see an empty D/C or MWay in front of me I can get a little 'relaxed' if there is no traffic around. Wouldn't dream of it during normal hours hence my bewilderment with this latest incident at 6:30pm on a road that whilst not busy would have had traffic on it.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
90 in a 70. (M25 at 2am - more cameras than traffic) but no excuses. The judge only gave me a £100 fine but I think that because this incident followed hot on the heels of the first one he spanked me with the points.

My problem is if I see an empty D/C or MWay in front of me I can get a little 'relaxed' if there is no traffic around. Wouldn't dream of it during normal hours hence my bewilderment with this latest incident at 6:30pm on a road that whilst not busy would have had traffic on it.
is 90'a court appearance?

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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LoonR1 said:
gadgetmac said:
90 in a 70. (M25 at 2am - more cameras than traffic) but no excuses. The judge only gave me a £100 fine but I think that because this incident followed hot on the heels of the first one he spanked me with the points.

My problem is if I see an empty D/C or MWay in front of me I can get a little 'relaxed' if there is no traffic around. Wouldn't dream of it during normal hours hence my bewilderment with this latest incident at 6:30pm on a road that whilst not busy would have had traffic on it.
is 90'a court appearance?
http://www.counsel.direct/news/2015/3/25/speeding-...

Jonsv8

7,229 posts

124 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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LoonR1 said:
is 90'a court appearance?
Usually 96 is summons
And 90 is still lowest level and 3 points

And one assumes none of these qualified for speed awareness or maybe that life has been used

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/up...




Edited by Jonsv8 on Saturday 20th June 19:51

PoleDriver

28,639 posts

194 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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So. the 9 points which you already have for speeding have not had affected your attitude towards your speed? Tough!

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Mermaid said:
LoonR1 said:
gadgetmac said:
90 in a 70. (M25 at 2am - more cameras than traffic) but no excuses. The judge only gave me a £100 fine but I think that because this incident followed hot on the heels of the first one he spanked me with the points.

My problem is if I see an empty D/C or MWay in front of me I can get a little 'relaxed' if there is no traffic around. Wouldn't dream of it during normal hours hence my bewilderment with this latest incident at 6:30pm on a road that whilst not busy would have had traffic on it.
is 90'a court appearance?
http://www.counsel.direct/news/2015/3/25/speeding-...
So an FPN would be the norm then.

Come on OP there's more to the set of 6 points story.

Durzel

12,271 posts

168 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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As above. Did you elect to take the 90 in a 70 case to court?

btcc123

1,243 posts

147 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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bad company said:
btcc123 said:
laws I would make the ban 6 months and a maximum fine which I believe is £2500.Or possibly give you 12 points but not ban you so you will have the knowledge of one slip up and you will get a ban ,oh and a £5000 fine.
Blimey I thought this was a motoring forum where we all like to 'make progress'. I see you live in Wales, are you related to Richard Brunstrom?

Sorry to hear of your predicament op, hope they are not too hard on you.
My issue is that the OP comes on here as others do and sort of boast about their convictions and then have double standards firstly by saying I'll be asking some questions but what should they be? Calibration certificate? Any more? and then say they hold their hands up and take responsibility for their actions.

I probably make progress quicker than most people up to the speed limits and go over them but only by 10% and have never had points.People who get caught at 45 in a 30,69 in a 50 or over 100 on the motorway are taking the p*ss and deserve what they get.

I live in South Wales and believe Richard Brunstrom was in North Wales,we are not related and I disagreed with his methods of policing.

My wife and kids are Welsh but I am English and escape every Month to visit my parents in Bristol.Luckily we have the Severn Bridge so saves me digging a tunnel.


All that jazz

7,632 posts

146 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
Seems a tad harsh for a first ban in 30 years with no accidents involved in any of the 2 previous transgressions etc...
Having you considered undertaking some driving lessons? It appears from your recent speeding history that your observation skills are non-existent.

gadgetmac

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14,984 posts

108 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Oh dear this is really deteriorating quickly now. All of a sudden I've come on here to "boast".

Wow.

I said 90 and it was 90ish, I can't remember the exact number. Likely a bit more then but certainly not a ton as I'd have been banned automatically.

Anyway, I've already been tried and hung for that offence so lets not re-run it eh chaps smile

Poledriver marks the first of the real "hang him high" brigade. Expected it sooner to be honest. Adds nothing just comes on to vent his spleen. All that jazz has wandered in after him. Fair enough.

But how someone who openly declares he has his own speed limit of whatever the law says plus a 10% personal bonus can criticise anyone else who speeds is beyond me. Your either compliant or your not, and we are both not.

Speeding is not big and its not clever, even by 10%, and I've never advocated otherwise. But if this is a demonstration of how a request for information can snowball into a pitchforks and torches march then I'll bow out.

To everyone who's seen my OP for what it is and tried to offer advice etc, cheers beer

But "Boasting". REALLY?







Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
I said 90 and it was 90ish, I can't remember the exact number. Likely a bit more then but certainly not a ton as I'd have been banned automatically.
Why would you have been automatically banned if doing over 100?

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
Oh dear this is really deteriorating quickly now. All of a sudden I've come on here to "boast".

Wow.

I said 90 and it was 90ish, I can't remember the exact number. Likely a bit more then but certainly not a ton as I'd have been banned automatically.

Anyway, I've already been tried and hung for that offence so lets not re-run it eh chaps smile

Poledriver marks the first of the real "hang him high" brigade. Expected it sooner to be honest. Adds nothing just comes on to vent his spleen. All that jazz has wandered in after him. Fair enough.

But how someone who openly declares he has his own speed limit of whatever the law says plus a 10% personal bonus can criticise anyone else who speeds is beyond me. Your either compliant or your not, and we are both not.

Speeding is not big and its not clever, even by 10%, and I've never advocated otherwise. But if this is a demonstration of how a request for information can snowball into a pitchforks and torches march then I'll bow out.

To everyone who's seen my OP for what it is and tried to offer advice etc, cheers beer

But "Boasting". REALLY?
The thing is that the other poster (and me) who set outer own limits within reason of the speed limit must have better observational skills, or use our thresholds more appropriately, or both as we don't have any points. Whereas, you've managed to be in a position to be banned from three instances of speeding in a short space of time. That's pretty poor driving obs whichever way you cut it.

flemke

22,865 posts

237 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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LoonR1 said:
gadgetmac said:
Oh dear this is really deteriorating quickly now. All of a sudden I've come on here to "boast".

Wow.

I said 90 and it was 90ish, I can't remember the exact number. Likely a bit more then but certainly not a ton as I'd have been banned automatically.

Anyway, I've already been tried and hung for that offence so lets not re-run it eh chaps smile

Poledriver marks the first of the real "hang him high" brigade. Expected it sooner to be honest. Adds nothing just comes on to vent his spleen. All that jazz has wandered in after him. Fair enough.

But how someone who openly declares he has his own speed limit of whatever the law says plus a 10% personal bonus can criticise anyone else who speeds is beyond me. Your either compliant or your not, and we are both not.

Speeding is not big and its not clever, even by 10%, and I've never advocated otherwise. But if this is a demonstration of how a request for information can snowball into a pitchforks and torches march then I'll bow out.

To everyone who's seen my OP for what it is and tried to offer advice etc, cheers beer

But "Boasting". REALLY?
The thing is that the other poster (and me) who set outer own limits within reason of the speed limit must have better observational skills, or use our thresholds more appropriately, or both as we don't have any points. Whereas, you've managed to be in a position to be banned from three instances of speeding in a short space of time. That's pretty poor driving obs whichever way you cut it.
Or you drive fewer miles than some other people do or you drive different roads or just possibly you have been lucky so far.