Cyclist "doored" by car passenger - input and advice please!

Cyclist "doored" by car passenger - input and advice please!

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Mave

8,208 posts

214 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Tomo1971 said:
Why would he go slower? Not to avoid the accident as by the sounds of it, it was too late to react at whatever speed he was going but to minimise the damage and injury. If thats the case - isn't that admitting he was actually going too fast in the first place.....?

Now, I'm not blaming the cyclist - The twonk opening the door should have looked regardless - she caused the accident to happen. However, if the cyclist was going just a little slower the result of the accident wouldn't have been so bad.

She caused the accident but he should take some responsibility for the severity of the injuries.
How much "a little slower" do you think he should be going before he doesn't need to take responsibility for his injuries? Do you think cyclists should take responsibility for their injuries in every accident, however caused, unless they limit themselves to a walking speed everywhere?

aizvara

2,050 posts

166 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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toerag said:
163 Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake.


I'm pretty sure you can fail your test for squeezing past parked cars, I guess car drivers are just trained to have more sense.
You misunderstand. I do avoid the car door zone in my car and on my bike. However I need some way of letting drivers know this when I'm cycling so that they accord me "equal rights and respect". Otherwise they won't apparently. So I need a badge or sign.

gazza285

9,780 posts

207 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Tomo1971 said:
She caused the accident but he should take some responsibility for the severity of the injuries.
Why?

People on here become enraged at car door dings when both vehicles are parked, perhaps the PHer with the dented door panel should take some responsibility for the severity of the dent due to parking so close.


MrsMiggins

2,808 posts

234 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Tomo1971 said:
Ask the cyclist a question....

If he were to do that same manoeuvre again in the coming weeks (which in my mind is totally acceptable and OK) would he go a little slower when passing the waiting cars? My bet is that he would say yes.

Why would he go slower? Not to avoid the accident as by the sounds of it, it was too late to react at whatever speed he was going but to minimise the damage and injury. If thats the case - isn't that admitting he was actually going too fast in the first place.....?

Now, I'm not blaming the cyclist - The twonk opening the door should have looked regardless - she caused the accident to happen. However, if the cyclist was going just a little slower the result of the accident wouldn't have been so bad.

She caused the accident but he should take some responsibility for the severity of the injuries.
And where would that stop if that was the legal situation? If I sustain head injuries in a non-fault car accident am I responsible for their extent because I didn't wear a helmet when driving?

The full responsibility for the injury lies with the front seat passenger who is clearly a waste of skin and organs.

Twilkes

478 posts

138 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Not pleasant viewing, but the people riding bikes in this clip weren't going at all fast - the two riders are very close together, yet the first one passes without incident while the second one gets knocked off. Even without the lorry there they would still have been damage and injury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2BJNvU7oo

The only way someone riding a bike can avoid an incident like this would be travel at 0mph. Some people seem to think that the only way to get injured from a dooring is if you're going fast enough to somersault over the top - not the case.

And let's not forget that the passenger in the OP's story is the only one that committed a CRIMINAL OFFENCE: (RVCUR r. 105; RTA s. 42; RTOA Sch 2) it’s an offence to open “any door of a vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger any person”

gazza285

9,780 posts

207 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Twilkes said:
Not pleasant viewing, but the people riding bikes in this clip weren't going at all fast - the two riders are very close together, yet the first one passes without incident while the second one gets knocked off. Even without the lorry there they would still have been damage and injury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2BJNvU7oo

The only way someone riding a bike can avoid an incident like this would be travel at 0mph. Some people seem to think that the only way to get injured from a dooring is if you're going fast enough to somersault over the top - not the case.

And let's not forget that the passenger in the OP's story is the only one that committed a CRIMINAL OFFENCE: (RVCUR r. 105; RTA s. 42; RTOA Sch 2) it’s an offence to open “any door of a vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger any person”
Obviously the cyclists fault for riding in the cycle lane, if only they had ridden in the road...

Dick Turpin

258 posts

106 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Tomo1971 said:
She caused the accident but he should take some responsibility for the severity of the injuries.
Should stabbing victims take some responsibility for their injuries because they weren't wearing kevlar?

gradeA

Original Poster:

651 posts

200 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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The level of victim-blaming that goes on these days is truly concerning.. frown

Devil2575

13,400 posts

187 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Tomo1971 said:
Ask the cyclist a question....

If he were to do that same manoeuvre again in the coming weeks (which in my mind is totally acceptable and OK) would he go a little slower when passing the waiting cars? My bet is that he would say yes.

Why would he go slower? Not to avoid the accident as by the sounds of it, it was too late to react at whatever speed he was going but to minimise the damage and injury. If thats the case - isn't that admitting he was actually going too fast in the first place.....?

Now, I'm not blaming the cyclist - The twonk opening the door should have looked regardless - she caused the accident to happen. However, if the cyclist was going just a little slower the result of the accident wouldn't have been so bad.

She caused the accident but he should take some responsibility for the severity of the injuries.
After having sereral cars pull out of side roads in front of me when cycling causing me to have to take avoiding action I now approach cars waiting to pull onto the road I am on with greater caution. I tend to be cycling slower and ensure that I have got eye contact with the driver.

Had I collided with a car pulling out in front of me does this mean that I would have been responsible for the severity of my injuries?



heebeegeetee

28,596 posts

247 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Devil2575 said:
After having sereral cars pull out of side roads in front of me when cycling causing me to have to take avoiding action I now approach cars waiting to pull onto the road I am on with greater caution. I tend to be cycling slower and ensure that I have got eye contact with the driver.

Had I collided with a car pulling out in front of me does this mean that I would have been responsible for the severity of my injuries?
Seems like there are no innocent people nowadays. No matter what the circumstances, the victim must bear some responsibility because had he traveled slower the damage would have been less, or, he was too close to the other vehicle. (I think that covers rear end shunts too). smile

Harji

2,196 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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stuart313 said:
Another thing, youtube is full of cyclists giving verbals and hand signals to vehicles they consider have passed them too closely, yet when a cyclist passes very close to a car its ok.
You have slipped to a new level of moron that I thought could not exist.

Harji

2,196 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Tomo1971 said:
She caused the accident but he should take some responsibility for the severity of the injuries.
Just how thick are you?

Billsnemesis

817 posts

236 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Everyone has a bias that leads them to accept evidence that supports their existing point of view and to discount evidence that contradicts it - think of your average Daily Hate Mail reader and you will get the picture.

Some people just cannot accept a cyclist's right to exist so will blame the cyclist no matter what.

No doubt they will say that someone driving along a road who gets hit by a vehicle emerging from a side road will still be partially responsible for their own injuries since they could have avoided them by driving more slowly...

Er, actually they probably won't. Being so stubbornly fixated with their existing take on the world there is no conceivable way of getting these people to change their mind. We are all guilty of this to some extent but this thread has really shown the effect at its worst.

They obviously don't need paracetomol for a headache as their skulls are so numb they don't feel the pain.