Caught doing 120mph on the motorway

[Elroy Blue]

popeyewhite said:

I was laughing at your use of your profession's nomenclature during a mundane discussion. Just can't help it eh?

What other form of English would you use to describe one car catching another. (I'll just add another )

[youngsyr]

I just remembered another couple of anecdotes for the doubters - several years ago I took a taxi from Munich Airport into town, having arrived after dark. From memory, it was an E series Merc of some description, probably a few years old.

We got on the autobahn and after a few minutes, even though I was in the back seat, I could see we were travelling abnormally quickly - enough to make me lean forward and check the speedo - we were travelling at around 180 km/h IIRC, which is about 113 mph.

A couple years later I took my old MX-5 on the autobahn on the way to the 'Ring, 1.8L, about 140 bhp (when new!) and Vmaxed it at around 125 mph indicated. At that speed it sounded like the roof was going to be ripped off, so again, very noticeably faster than 80 mph, even if you decided to drive with your eyes shut!

Edited by youngsyr on Wednesday 1st July 16:26

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youngsyr said:

In a plane you have no visual or aural reference points for the speed

Ok. You win.

[popeyewhite]

Elroy Blue said:

popeyewhite said:

I was laughing at your use of your profession's nomenclature during a mundane discussion. Just can't help it eh?

What other form of English would you use to describe one car catching another. (I'll just add another )

One car catching another?

[youngsyr]

popeyewhite said:

youngsyr said:

The power is irrelevant - you either use it and accelerate quickly (more G force = more noticeable) or you don't and accelerate slowly (longer time = more noticeable).

Hence my point: you can't get to 120 mph without noticing it.

No, your point was 'without deliberate and sustained effort'. A bit higher up the page.

And I outlined why even in a powerful car, it takes a sustained effort to hit 120 mph:

1) you rarely ever use full throttle (as the acceleration is extremely aggressive); and

2) even when you do, it's extremely rare that you do it for more than a few seconds (because the speed obtained is dangerous for most road conditions).

So, holding full throttle in a powerful car for even a few seconds is a sustained effort.

[LocoCoco]

The sensation of speed is different in different cars, it's also different for different people. I would wager that an F1 driver going at 120mph in a car will feel like they're going slower than an inexperienced driver in the exact same car.

Horse power doesn't directly affect sensation of speed, things like sound, stability, confidence and visibility do that. I reckon that it's easier to stray up to 120 without noticing in a big quiet luxobarge than it is in a 4/500HP race car.



I've never had a car that didn't feel fast at 120mph
That doesn't mean there aren't any.

[WinstonWolf]

youngsyr said:

popeyewhite said:

youngsyr said:

The power is irrelevant - you either use it and accelerate quickly (more G force = more noticeable) or you don't and accelerate slowly (longer time = more noticeable).

Hence my point: you can't get to 120 mph without noticing it.

No, your point was 'without deliberate and sustained effort'. A bit higher up the page.

And I outlined why even in a powerful car, it takes a sustained effort to hit 120 mph:

1) you rarely ever use full throttle (as the acceleration is extremely aggressive); and

2) even when you do, it's extremely rare that you do it for more than a few seconds (because the speed obtained is dangerous for most road conditions).

So, holding full throttle in a powerful car for even a few seconds is a sustained effort.

Does it easily on a partial throttle in an A8

Sorry, mine's got the 4.2TD

[youngsyr]

WinstonWolf said:

youngsyr said:

popeyewhite said:

youngsyr said:

The power is irrelevant - you either use it and accelerate quickly (more G force = more noticeable) or you don't and accelerate slowly (longer time = more noticeable).

Hence my point: you can't get to 120 mph without noticing it.

No, your point was 'without deliberate and sustained effort'. A bit higher up the page.

And I outlined why even in a powerful car, it takes a sustained effort to hit 120 mph:

1) you rarely ever use full throttle (as the acceleration is extremely aggressive); and

2) even when you do, it's extremely rare that you do it for more than a few seconds (because the speed obtained is dangerous for most road conditions).

So, holding full throttle in a powerful car for even a few seconds is a sustained effort.

Does it easily on a partial throttle in an A8

Sorry, mine's got the 4.2TD

Great, I'm over the moon for you, but a 4.2 TD A8 isn't 400 bhp+, which is what we're discussing here.

How long does it take your A8 to go from 70 mph to 120 mph on partial throttle?

[Sheepshanks]

stuttgartmetal said:

When you get to court call the two Plod complete liars.
Tell the Mag its a fit up, and they can any fine and points right up their Aris.
It worked for me.

You know it makes sense.

That would only work in Liverpool.

[WinstonWolf]

youngsyr said:

WinstonWolf said:

youngsyr said:

popeyewhite said:

youngsyr said:

The power is irrelevant - you either use it and accelerate quickly (more G force = more noticeable) or you don't and accelerate slowly (longer time = more noticeable).

Hence my point: you can't get to 120 mph without noticing it.

No, your point was 'without deliberate and sustained effort'. A bit higher up the page.

And I outlined why even in a powerful car, it takes a sustained effort to hit 120 mph:

1) you rarely ever use full throttle (as the acceleration is extremely aggressive); and

2) even when you do, it's extremely rare that you do it for more than a few seconds (because the speed obtained is dangerous for most road conditions).

So, holding full throttle in a powerful car for even a few seconds is a sustained effort.

Does it easily on a partial throttle in an A8

Sorry, mine's got the 4.2TD

Great, I'm over the moon for you, but a 4.2 TD A8 isn't 500 bhp+, which is what we're discussing here.

How long does it take your A8 to go from 70 mph to 120 mph?

It's not about the BHP, it's about the torque. 480 lb ft makes it easy. I've no idea how long it takes, just that it's a doddle to do it and the car is just as composed as it is at 70.

The whole point about these cars is to be able to travel at speed on the Autobahn and arrive feeling fresh.

[youngsyr]

WinstonWolf said:

youngsyr said:

WinstonWolf said:

youngsyr said:

popeyewhite said:

youngsyr said:

The power is irrelevant - you either use it and accelerate quickly (more G force = more noticeable) or you don't and accelerate slowly (longer time = more noticeable).

Hence my point: you can't get to 120 mph without noticing it.

No, your point was 'without deliberate and sustained effort'. A bit higher up the page.

And I outlined why even in a powerful car, it takes a sustained effort to hit 120 mph:

1) you rarely ever use full throttle (as the acceleration is extremely aggressive); and

2) even when you do, it's extremely rare that you do it for more than a few seconds (because the speed obtained is dangerous for most road conditions).

So, holding full throttle in a powerful car for even a few seconds is a sustained effort.

Does it easily on a partial throttle in an A8

Sorry, mine's got the 4.2TD

Great, I'm over the moon for you, but a 4.2 TD A8 isn't 500 bhp+, which is what we're discussing here.

How long does it take your A8 to go from 70 mph to 120 mph?

It's not about the BHP, it's about the torque. 480 lb ft makes it easy. I've no idea how long it takes, just that it's a doddle to do it and the car is just as composed as it is at 70.

The whole point about these cars is to be able to travel at speed on the Autobahn and arrive feeling fresh.

Nice question dodge! My point isn't that no car in existence is capable of doing 120 mph, that's clearly ridiculous. What I'm saying is that no competent driver can do 120 mph without noticing, regardless of the car.

The non-M/S/RS German barges are possibly some of the few cars designed to do that speed comfortably, but even they take a deliberate and sustained effort to hit 120 mph, even if they have a 4.2 TD engine.

[WinstonWolf]

youngsyr said:

WinstonWolf said:

youngsyr said:

WinstonWolf said:

youngsyr said:

popeyewhite said:

youngsyr said:

The power is irrelevant - you either use it and accelerate quickly (more G force = more noticeable) or you don't and accelerate slowly (longer time = more noticeable).

Hence my point: you can't get to 120 mph without noticing it.

No, your point was 'without deliberate and sustained effort'. A bit higher up the page.

And I outlined why even in a powerful car, it takes a sustained effort to hit 120 mph:

1) you rarely ever use full throttle (as the acceleration is extremely aggressive); and

2) even when you do, it's extremely rare that you do it for more than a few seconds (because the speed obtained is dangerous for most road conditions).

So, holding full throttle in a powerful car for even a few seconds is a sustained effort.

Does it easily on a partial throttle in an A8

Sorry, mine's got the 4.2TD

Great, I'm over the moon for you, but a 4.2 TD A8 isn't 500 bhp+, which is what we're discussing here.

How long does it take your A8 to go from 70 mph to 120 mph?

It's not about the BHP, it's about the torque. 480 lb ft makes it easy. I've no idea how long it takes, just that it's a doddle to do it and the car is just as composed as it is at 70.

The whole point about these cars is to be able to travel at speed on the Autobahn and arrive feeling fresh.

Nice question dodge! My point isn't that no car in existence is capable of doing 120 mph, that's clearly ridiculous. What I'm saying is that no competent driver can do 120 mph without noticing, regardless of the car.

The non-M/S/RS German barges are possibly some of the few cars designed to do that speed comfortably, but even they take a deliberate and sustained effort to hit 120 mph, even if they have a 4.2 TD engine.

They don't, they really don't. If you were local I'd put my money where my mouth is and show you just how effortlessly they get to and travel at that speed. The scenery tells you you're going quickly, but that's it.

[youngsyr]

WinstonWolf said:

They don't, they really don't. If you were local I'd put my money where my mouth is and show you just how effortlessly they get to and travel at that speed. The scenery tells you you're going quickly, but that's it.

But that's my point - I'm not saying you have to labour the engine to reach that speed or in any way stretch the car, I'm saying the driver has to make a deliberate and sustained attempt to reach that speed, whether that's ignoring the scenery flashing past for 15 seconds on part throttle or holding the throttle flat to the floor for 5 seconds - neither is something a competent driver would do by accident, regardless of the car.

I'm well aware that there are cars that will reach 120 mph (and significantly faster) with ease.

[WinstonWolf]

youngsyr said:

WinstonWolf said:

They don't, they really don't. If you were local I'd put my money where my mouth is and show you just how effortlessly they get to and travel at that speed. The scenery tells you you're going quickly, but that's it.

But that's my point - I'm not saying you have to labour the engine to reach that speed or in any way stretch the car, I'm saying the driver has to make a deliberate and sustained attempt to reach that speed, whether that's ignoring the scenery flashing past for 15 seconds on part throttle or holding the throttle flat to the floor for 5 seconds - neither is something a competent driver would do by accident, regardless of the car.

I'm well aware that there are cars that will reach 120 mph (and significantly faster) with ease.

But that's the point, you *don't* have to make any effort. Gentle squeeze, whoops, better slow down. If you've never been in one you should, it redefines what you think a luxo barge can do

[popeyewhite]

youngsyr said:

But that's my point - I'm not saying you have to labour the engine to reach that speed or in any way stretch the car, I'm saying the driver has to make a deliberate and sustained attempt to reach that speed, whether that's ignoring the scenery flashing past for 15 seconds on part throttle or holding the throttle flat to the floor for 5 seconds - neither is something a competent driver would do by accident, regardless of the car.

I'm well aware that there are cars that will reach 120 mph (and significantly faster) with ease.

There's no, absolutely none, 'deliberate and sustained effort' in getting a fast German car up to 120 mph.

[youngsyr]

WinstonWolf said:

youngsyr said:

WinstonWolf said:

They don't, they really don't. If you were local I'd put my money where my mouth is and show you just how effortlessly they get to and travel at that speed. The scenery tells you you're going quickly, but that's it.

But that's my point - I'm not saying you have to labour the engine to reach that speed or in any way stretch the car, I'm saying the driver has to make a deliberate and sustained attempt to reach that speed, whether that's ignoring the scenery flashing past for 15 seconds on part throttle or holding the throttle flat to the floor for 5 seconds - neither is something a competent driver would do by accident, regardless of the car.

I'm well aware that there are cars that will reach 120 mph (and significantly faster) with ease.

But that's the point, you *don't* have to make any effort. Gentle squeeze, whoops, better slow down. If you've never been in one you should, it redefines what you think a luxo barge can do

Those first two sentences are contradictory - a "gentle squeeze" is an "effort" (in the sense of a physical action).

Any competent driver will know that if they're driving a 4.2 TD A8 at 70 mph, a "gentle squeeze" of the throttle for 15 seconds will see them at licence losing speeds.

[youngsyr]

popeyewhite said:

youngsyr said:

But that's my point - I'm not saying you have to labour the engine to reach that speed or in any way stretch the car, I'm saying the driver has to make a deliberate and sustained attempt to reach that speed, whether that's ignoring the scenery flashing past for 15 seconds on part throttle or holding the throttle flat to the floor for 5 seconds - neither is something a competent driver would do by accident, regardless of the car.

I'm well aware that there are cars that will reach 120 mph (and significantly faster) with ease.

There's no, absolutely none, 'deliberate and sustained effort' in getting a fast German car up to 120 mph.

So, you can get one to 120 mph by a quick accident?

Define how quick, pick any car you like.

[Sump]

WinstonWolf said:

youngsyr said:

WinstonWolf said:

They don't, they really don't. If you were local I'd put my money where my mouth is and show you just how effortlessly they get to and travel at that speed. The scenery tells you you're going quickly, but that's it.

But that's my point - I'm not saying you have to labour the engine to reach that speed or in any way stretch the car, I'm saying the driver has to make a deliberate and sustained attempt to reach that speed, whether that's ignoring the scenery flashing past for 15 seconds on part throttle or holding the throttle flat to the floor for 5 seconds - neither is something a competent driver would do by accident, regardless of the car.

I'm well aware that there are cars that will reach 120 mph (and significantly faster) with ease.

But that's the point, you *don't* have to make any effort. Gentle squeeze, whoops, better slow down. If you've never been in one you should, it redefines what you think a luxo barge can do

I owned an LS430 for a few years, it was like the Shinkansen express on the motorway. Still didn't detract from the fact that you still have to actively engage brain and know you are going to go for 120..

[WinstonWolf]

youngsyr said:

WinstonWolf said:

youngsyr said:

WinstonWolf said:

They don't, they really don't. If you were local I'd put my money where my mouth is and show you just how effortlessly they get to and travel at that speed. The scenery tells you you're going quickly, but that's it.

But that's my point - I'm not saying you have to labour the engine to reach that speed or in any way stretch the car, I'm saying the driver has to make a deliberate and sustained attempt to reach that speed, whether that's ignoring the scenery flashing past for 15 seconds on part throttle or holding the throttle flat to the floor for 5 seconds - neither is something a competent driver would do by accident, regardless of the car.

I'm well aware that there are cars that will reach 120 mph (and significantly faster) with ease.

But that's the point, you *don't* have to make any effort. Gentle squeeze, whoops, better slow down. If you've never been in one you should, it redefines what you think a luxo barge can do

Those first two sentences are contradictory - a "gentle squeeze" is an "effort" (in the sense of a physical action).

Any competent driver will know that if they're driving a 4.2 TD A8 at 70 mph, a "gentle squeeze" of the throttle for 15 seconds will see them at licence losing speeds.

Let me know when you've actually been in one. Until then I'm afraid you simply have no idea... If you're in Cambs I'll take you out, can't say fairer than that...

[Roo]

youngsyr said:

Those first two sentences are contradictory - a "gentle squeeze" is an "effort" (in the sense of a physical action)

Clutching at straws.