Caught doing 120mph on the motorway
Discussion
Sump said:
Tbh Loon it was more the 'deliberate or sustained effort' in that sentence also that really screwed it up.
That's fine. It's a,so why I left the blink of an eye comment to the last in my earlier challenge that WW has managed to avoid by sending us off on this tangent. I'll paste it below again and see if anyone bothers to answer, with the blink of an eye comment scrubbed outLoonR1 said:
Nobody has suggested that the car can't do it easily. The discussion is whether you would get to that speed without realising at all and making no conscious input and do so in the blink of an eye. So did you? Could you?
theboss said:
Guys I think the "blink of an eye" comment needs to be interpreted relatively rather than literally.
I'm currently spreading my somewhat considerable mileage between a Golf R and M5 and thr difference in accelerative potential at motorway speeds is staggering to the point where the Golf might as well be a Mk4 SDI.
I think thats the sort of context in which the "blink of an eye" comment was made. In some cars its vey very easily done, maybe even subconsciously, but NOT whilst one genuinely believes he is doing 70mph. I don't believe anyone made that assertion.
Yes we took it relatively. From this we deduced some factors.I'm currently spreading my somewhat considerable mileage between a Golf R and M5 and thr difference in accelerative potential at motorway speeds is staggering to the point where the Golf might as well be a Mk4 SDI.
I think thats the sort of context in which the "blink of an eye" comment was made. In some cars its vey very easily done, maybe even subconsciously, but NOT whilst one genuinely believes he is doing 70mph. I don't believe anyone made that assertion.
1. Our aim was to go from 70-120 gently without realising - therefore Loon did some tests and came back with around 7 seconds making some progress but doing it without realising and trying not to kick down.
2. Even relatively, to get upto 120 relatively fast would require your brain to engage and to do a kick down or drop some gears to get the pace going even in E65 AMGs or whatever cars were brought up.
Sump said:
Yes we took it relatively. From this we deduced some factors.
1. Our aim was to go from 70-120 gently without realising - therefore Loon did some tests and came back with around 7 seconds making some progress but doing it without realising and trying not to kick down.
2. Even relatively, to get upto 120 relatively fast would require your brain to engage and to do a kick down or drop some gears to get the pace going even in E65 AMGs or whatever cars were brought up.
Just to clarify point 1, both were done by burying my foot to the floor, so it was a conscious move in both cases. Even in the GT-R I reckon it'd take an eternity to get up to 120 from 80 by slightly and subconsciously pressing the pedal a little bit more. Both were done in manual mode, one in 4th which seemed to be pretty responsive, whereas 3rd was already probably too high in the rev range to make it all the way. I just left in 6th for the other bit of the test. 1. Our aim was to go from 70-120 gently without realising - therefore Loon did some tests and came back with around 7 seconds making some progress but doing it without realising and trying not to kick down.
2. Even relatively, to get upto 120 relatively fast would require your brain to engage and to do a kick down or drop some gears to get the pace going even in E65 AMGs or whatever cars were brought up.
LoonR1 said:
Just to clarify point 1, both were done by burying my foot to the floor, so it was a conscious move in both cases. Even in the GT-R I reckon it'd take an eternity to get up to 120 from 80 by slightly and subconsciously pressing the pedal a little bit more. Both were done in manual mode, one in 4th which seemed to be pretty responsive, whereas 3rd was already probably too high in the rev range to make it all the way. I just left in 6th for the other bit of the test.
Can't you see that its a rediculous point to try and somehow prove? Did anyone ever assert they could accelerate from 70 to 120 without even realising they were accelerating?I said you could do 120 subconsciously but whilst thinking you might be doing something less...
theboss said:
Can't you see that its a rediculous point to try and somehow prove? Did anyone ever assert they could accelerate from 70 to 120 without even realising they were accelerating?
I said you could do 120 subconsciously but whilst thinking you might be doing something less...
Quoted below is what prompted this, rather lengthy discussion, yesterday. The "sustained" part isn't an issue, we all agree a decent powered car (we've defined that as 400bhp) will get there quickly. It's the "deliberate" piece that is the issue. Popeyewhite is adamant that you can simply get there without any conscious effort whatsoever and then he and others have argued once at that speed you probably wouldn't notice in a barge type car. I said you could do 120 subconsciously but whilst thinking you might be doing something less...
Our issue remains, that it does take a conscious effort to get to 120 and secondly, that once there, you will know about it, from what's happening around you, even if the engine and wind noise are hushed in the barge. If you don't notice, then we've queried their competence as a driver. With or without traffic there are sufficient other parts of the scenery to make it clear what speed you're doing.
popeyewhite said:
youngsyr said:
I've driven some pretty powerful cars (400 bhp+) over the years and I can assure you it takes a deliberate and sustained effort to hit 120 mph. It's certainly not something you do accidentally after leaning on the loud pedal a little too hard for a couple of seconds, even with that kind of power.
An E63 AMG or M5 both have in excess of 550bhp. Trust me there's no 'deliberate or sustained effort' involved in hitting 130-140+ in one of those. 70-120? Blink of an eye.LoonR1 said:
Popeyewhite is adamant that you can simply get there without any conscious effort whatsoever and then he and others have argued once at that speed you probably wouldn't notice in a barge type car.
No, I said it's possible to be 'surprised' you were going that quick. I didn't say you wouldn't notice. People have quoted the phrase 'blink of an eye' to mean something devastatingly fast when really it's just an idiom that describes something happening subjectively quickly. So much of this debate is in the interpretation of various words - can't you see this is completely pointless?
We've all heard people say 'I was surprised how fast I was going'. In the real world away from the miniscule % of perfect drivers on PH these things happen.
And no, you don't need to drop a gear in an AMG MB to very quickly get from 70-120.
LocoCoco said:
JumboBeef said:
LocoCoco said:
Welcome to the 120mph every day club.
Can I join? 
Zod said:
I have been driving cars with 500bhp for a long time now and I have never inadvertently found myself doing 120 mph. Every time I have done such a speed it has been very much a conscious decision.
Had to wade thro 3 pages to find someone who said anything sensible that I agree withIf I exceed the national speed limit by 30 or 40 mph it's not an accident
It's also not going to be on a motorway - you are way too obvious a target and stick out like a sore thumb amongst all the sheep doing 60 - 80
popeyewhite said:
LoonR1 said:
Popeyewhite is adamant that you can simply get there without any conscious effort whatsoever and then he and others have argued once at that speed you probably wouldn't notice in a barge type car.
No, I said it's possible to be 'surprised' you were going that quick. I didn't say you wouldn't notice. People have quoted the phrase 'blink of an eye' to mean something devastatingly fast when really it's just an idiom that describes something happening subjectively quickly. So much of this debate is in the interpretation of various words - can't you see this is completely pointless?
We've all heard people say 'I was surprised how fast I was going'. In the real world away from the miniscule % of perfect drivers on PH these things happen.
And no, you don't need to drop a gear in an AMG MB to very quickly get from 70-120.
popeyewhite said:
LoonR1 said:
Popeyewhite is adamant that you can simply get there without any conscious effort whatsoever and then he and others have argued once at that speed you probably wouldn't notice in a barge type car.
And no, you don't need to drop a gear in an AMG MB to very quickly get from 70-120.Very quickly in this instance should be around the 4 second mark.
Sump said:
Right, tell me exactly the model and year of the MB AMG where you do not have to drop a gear to go very quickly from 70-120.
Very quickly in this instance should be around the 4 second mark.
There isn't one that would do it as standard. I think you'd need to be on a bike to get anywhere near 4 seconds due to air resistance.Very quickly in this instance should be around the 4 second mark.
TheAllSeeingPie said:
Sump said:
Right, tell me exactly the model and year of the MB AMG where you do not have to drop a gear to go very quickly from 70-120.
Very quickly in this instance should be around the 4 second mark.
There isn't one that would do it as standard. I think you'd need to be on a bike to get anywhere near 4 seconds due to air resistance.Very quickly in this instance should be around the 4 second mark.
Sump said:
popeyewhite said:
LoonR1 said:
Popeyewhite is adamant that you can simply get there without any conscious effort whatsoever and then he and others have argued once at that speed you probably wouldn't notice in a barge type car.
And no, you don't need to drop a gear in an AMG MB to very quickly get from 70-120.Very quickly in this instance should be around the 4 second mark.
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LoonR1 said:
Sump said:
Tbh Loon it was more the 'deliberate or sustained effort' in that sentence also that really screwed it up.
That's fine. It's a,so why I left the blink of an eye comment to the last in my earlier challenge that WW has managed to avoid by sending us off on this tangent. I'll paste it below again and see if anyone bothers to answer, with the blink of an eye comment scrubbed outLoonR1 said:
Nobody has suggested that the car can't do it easily. The discussion is whether you would get to that speed without realising at all and making no conscious input and do so in the blink of an eye. So did you? Could you?
If you're on a deserted unlit motorway at night you have to be *very* careful or you can end up going very fast without realising. Only the scenery and the speedo tell you how fast you're going, the vehicle itself feels no different to if you're travelling at the legal limit.
I'm sure my Griff and the M3/GTR feel very similar at speed, you absolutely know you're travelling. In the barge, you don't.
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